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- nhnFreespirit, on 01/11/2008, -2/+68Congratulations to everyone involved in making this huge project come to fruition. KDE 4.0.0 is just the first step on a long journey, but already it is a really nice and innovative desktop!
- charmgene, on 01/11/2008, -2/+48I am a college student in China and I plan to introduce it to my elder brother as his first major computer experience in my winter holiday. I believe he will really prefer it to XP or something and will proud to tell him that it is free and genuine, not pirated. though not graduated from middle school, i believe he will feel the power of open source and linux
- grexeo, on 01/11/2008, -1/+32Remember all, this is KDE4.0.0 - the equivalent of what some developers would call a 3.9.0 release. This isn't the completely stable and polished KDE4 release some are wrongly assuming it to be - it's simply intended to be the foundation for the masses to get involved.
If you don't like something then don't complain here - instead get involved and let your thoughts be known as either suggestions or bug reports at http://bugs.kde.org and encourage others to do so. - aroedl, on 01/11/2008, -2/+33Finally!
- PFS1, on 01/11/2008, -3/+32Directions for install under kubuntu:
http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - apache2, on 01/11/2008, -24/+50Alright, I've been testing it since it came out earlier today. KDE4.0 to me is a really big disappointment. It's not much better than RC2. To me, this version should be an alpha.
Here are some things that disappoint me.
1. It seems that KDE4.0 is less customizable that KDE3.5.x series.
How can I customize the task bar? The system tray? When I try to customize the desktop, all I get to do is change the wallpaper. The system properties, dumbed down to be a GNOME or MAC OSX clone, a toaster has more options.
2. I click on the icon on the left next to the task bar, unless I'm running composite it looks like crap
3. when I resize the applets and rotate them, it makes my CPU go crazy
4. how much use are people seriously going to get out of the ZOOM DESKTOP feature on the top right default widget
5. This is a full release, and STILL, oxygen icons are missing left and right
6. Default clock looks ugly
7. KDE4 menu sucks. Endless scrolling, clicking back and forth, stuck in one boxed menu that never changes sizes? HOW is this innovative? more like a pain in the ass
Having the whole desktop built off of widgets.... I dont know. In my opinion at least the kicker should not have been a plasmoid. When will this all be fixed? The next major release will probably be in 2009?
For 2 years of development, I think the biggest thing the KDE devs have to show is their little "clock" plasmoid. Seriously, I thought they could have done better.
On the plus side.... I think some things have been done well. For instance Oxygen theme and icons that are in place look really nice. Some KDE4 apps as in the games, new konsole, kate, look really polished. - dualscreenman, on 01/11/2008, -0/+261.Yes, some parts of KDE 4.0.0 are less customizable than KDE 3.5. This is *not* permanent and is only due to the fact that they are replacing many, many years of coding goodness with new technologies that have yet to see years of development, etc. Expect more in KDE 4.1.0, which should be available later this year. I suggest that if little things get you down, you should wait for KDE 4.1.
2. That's a known issue that should be fixed come 4.1.
3. Yeah :( Fortunately I don't really need to resize/rotate. I can tell you that 4.1 will have separate buttons for resize and rotate, but that's sorta off-topic.
4. Disabled people? My grandpa still runs his computer at freakin' 800x600 because he has a hard time reading the screen.
5. I haven't noticed any icons missing "left and right". Examples plz?
6. It, fortunately, is customizable. ;D
7. Right-click Kickoff (The menu you have now)
Select "Remove this Launcher menu"
Go to the add new applets dialog.
Click the applet marked "Application Launcher menu" and drag it down to the panel.
And there you have it, a good ol' traditional styled menu. :)
Oh, and in regards to your last remark. The KDE 4 series isn't over. It has just started. In these 2 years, the KDE developers have laid the groundwork for an amazing development series. This *first release ever* may be a bit rough around the edges, but it's the start of something new. And for replacing the years of work that went into Kicker, et al. with Plasma in a year and a half or two years, I believe they have done an excellent job that can only improve in the months and years to come. - BinaryFragger, on 01/11/2008, -1/+23Kongratulations
- UnrealX, on 01/11/2008, -1/+21... dot zero dot zero
- inactive, on 01/11/2008, -2/+22Yeah. We used to call these "betas". "Integer releases" should be finished.
- puelocesar, on 01/11/2008, -4/+22man, why don't you read a little more before bashing?
just to quote Aaron Seigo:
"Meme 3: Just keep releasing alphas until it's ready
Ah, the "until it's ready" idea. Some would say 3.5 isn't ready; software never really is from a perfectionist's standpoint. It's so complex and full of ever springing promise that one can never reach that point of perfection; usually we are just happy with "better than good enough" and call it a day at that point.
KDE 4.0 isn't yet "better than good enough"; so why don't we just release more betas? When one perpetually releases alphas/betas a few things happen: people don't test it aggressively enough, third party developers don't get involved, core developers continue doing blue sky development rather than focusing on release qualities.
Between the rc's and the tagging of 4.0.0 the number of reports from testing skyrocketed. This is great, and shows that when I assert "people don't test when it's alpha or even beta" I'm absolutely correct. This is not about tricking people either: people seem to forget that the open source method is based on participation not consumption. So testers look for a cue to start testing; that is their form of participation. "alpha" and even "beta" is often not enough of a cue, especially today when so many of our testing users are not nearly as technically skilled with the compiler, debuggers, etc as the typical Free software user was 10 years ago.
The KDE4 libraries are ready for application development, as testified to by the quality KDE4 apps that exist today. However, third party application developers tend to be a conservative lot, and rightly so. They wait for user base migration, they wait for stability in the APIs, etc. They want to know when to start working with the new awesomeness, and for most of them that isn't "alpha" or "beta". The libraries crossed that stage in quality and reliability many months ago and so it is only fair to mark them as such.
Finally, the amazing maturation at all levels of KDE 4.0 software that has happened since the last beta shows just how focusing developers off of blue sky development and onto release quality code is important. The delta speaks for itself."
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly ... - jazka, on 01/11/2008, -3/+17Congratulations ;)
- Labut, on 01/11/2008, -6/+20KDE Fourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
- botio, on 01/11/2008, -0/+13I've just tried the live CD, and after trying the RCs, I have to admit some serious polishing was done for this release.
it "feels" much more robust and usable.
KDE4 has a huge potential.
congrats to all the developers involved! - ConanTL, on 01/11/2008, -0/+12Congratulations to the KDE team. Regardless of whether or not I will like it, you put in a lot of hard work and deserve credit for that.
I'm installing it right now and will be giving it a spin. - nhnFreespirit, on 01/11/2008, -0/+12No, we have not set any firm release dates yet. Besides, Amarok's release schedule is seperate from KDE's so we dont have to release at the same time. Personally I am hoping that Amarok 2.0 will be out before KDE 4.1, but we still have quite a bit of work left to get there.
- Yoweigh, on 01/11/2008, -0/+12Firefox. They have development roadmaps with concrete milestones that must be reached before a numbered release. Before that there are alphas, betas and release candidates.
- pltnz64, on 01/11/2008, -2/+14"aww isnt that cute.. linuxfags have their own little desktop environment that looks like windows, but can't run anything from windows LOL KDE is like VTEC...only makes you 'feel' powerful HA HA HA"
"here is the best tip: don't install a worthless OS like linux"
"here's a good marketing slogan for linux:
the OS for people that want the look and feel of windows without that pesky user friendliness and ability to play games.
We also have a windows emulator for people who want to run windows apps but are too dumb to just uninstall this worthless system."
You are such a loser. WTF is your problem? Did linux ***** your sister or something? - dragazis, on 01/11/2008, -1/+12Congrats to the KDE Team on a job well done! I would buy you all beers if you came to NYC :)
- Gavagai80, on 01/11/2008, -1/+11It's "dumbed down" only because plasma is new and hasn't had time to get all the features of KDE 3.5... not because of some sudden adoption of the gnome philosophy. Just stick with 3.5 until 4.1.
- MWeather, on 01/11/2008, -1/+11That's not how open source development works. You release early, and you release often. Otherwise you stagnate and die.
- spikespeigel42, on 01/11/2008, -0/+9He's probably angry that it did a better job than he did.
- puelocesar, on 01/11/2008, -0/+9I think Amarok is scheduled for kde4.1
But the alpha version of amarok2 is a litlte usable.. just a few crashes :P - jadrian, on 01/11/2008, -0/+9Better not try that with just KDE 4.0, it's an important step, but a rough release. Show him both 3.5 for a stable one and 4.0 to see where it's heading
- puelocesar, on 01/11/2008, -3/+114.1 will be released this year moron
- symanfsp, on 01/11/2008, -2/+10How can it be better?! It gives the exact same instructions. Are you blogspamming?
- wisam, on 01/11/2008, -0/+8WOW, kde-icons-oxygen is 45 MB out of the 105 MB (entire KDE 4.0.0) . Lets hope that there's some good looking scalable icons there.
- pcghost, on 01/11/2008, -0/+8If you are one of the people who work on Amarok, thank you for all you do. It is an amazing piece of software. I don't like to think of having to use the alternatives since 1.4 was released.
- theonlymerry, on 01/11/2008, -1/+9gave it a try and was impressed, however, it doesnt run so well on my aging hardware and to be honest I still prefer GNOME.
I also think the taskbar takes up a little too much room, but i guess thats customisable. - keyo, on 01/11/2008, -4/+11They have really made some advancements which I feel gnome would be to conservative to make.I hope future versions get picked as default DE for the main distros.
- gen2ux, on 01/11/2008, -2/+9It's still very early. They are only in .0 release, give it some time. Maybe .2 or .3
- wookieface, on 01/11/2008, -1/+8Who needs screenshots when you can have the real thing!?!!1!
- earlycj5, on 01/11/2008, -1/+8:sigh: If only it were.
- LeeJunFan, on 01/11/2008, -1/+8I'm going to wait until it's at least some main stream default desktop, that'll be my guage that a group of someones think it's ready, but I feel exactly the same you do about dumbware. That's why I never liked gnome, I don't want a desktop that tells me what I can and cant do, I want options, and lost of them.
- MWeather, on 01/11/2008, -0/+7Maybe that's why the GNU Hurd stagnated and died.
- Theli, on 01/11/2008, -2/+8Personally I will wait until Kubuntu 8.04 is released to make a release-time judgement. I regard KDE 4 more as a component than a 'consumer product'. I will compare newly released Kubuntu 8.04 to newly released Windows Vista, and the first version of Kubuntu using KDE 4.1 with Vista SP1.
- nhnFreespirit, on 01/11/2008, -1/+7Its a .0.0 release of a near complete rewrite of all major components... I fully agree that it is not as feature complete as KDE 3.5.8 ( which is as far from an .0.0 release as possible, with its 5 major and countless minor releases ). Give it a little time to mature, and you will be pleasantly surprised.
- armo, on 01/11/2008, -0/+5No, they've still not managed to perfect the blue screen of death the way windows 95 did.
- pcghost, on 01/11/2008, -0/+5Welcome to my block list homophobe-windows-fanboy-deuchebag
- baalzebub, on 01/11/2008, -0/+5xfce is very nice, there is ICEwm, and i have a really cool .fvwm2rc for fvwm...
- ptiseb, on 01/11/2008, -5/+10Some kde mockup here :
http://www.tux-planet.fr/blog/?2006/05/29/82-kde-m ...
http://www.tux-planet.fr/blog/?2007/06/26/162-kde- ...
It's shame that don't look like these mockups. - Rapax, on 01/11/2008, -2/+6Cupertino and Redmond just show up as green blotches on recent satellite images. I wonder why?
But seriously, congratulations to everyone working on this. You've created a thing of beauty. - nuxx, on 01/11/2008, -0/+4I hate to say it, but KDE 4 is a complete disappointment.
Yes, it has potential. Yes, it's a nice start....but at this stage in the game, it's in no way a usable Desktop Environment. This simply put, should NOT have been a final release.
GTK apps crash horribly and inexplicably, the interface is glitchy, Konqueror crashes, freezes and chokes on simple little tasks like javascript, KWin and it's new graphical enhancements are buggy at best, and don't play well with Compiz in ANY reasonable way. AND, for all their grandstanding about how customizable Plasma was going to make everything, it kinda falls flat on its face there too! I can't even resize the taskbar!
Overall, nice work so far guys, but this isn't a final version of any kind. Personally, I'll consider this to be RC3. and for now, I'll just stick with GNOME+Compiz - baalzebub, on 01/11/2008, -6/+10if KDE-4.0 is dumbed down and un-customizable then a lot of KDE fans wont like it, i for one been a HUGE KDE fan since KDE-2.1.1 was included with Slackware-8.0 and been using ever since, KDE-2.x & KDE-3.x is highly customizable, something i really like is the autohide feature of the panel (kicker) which is also resizeable, or you can also hide the panel with the hide button on either the left or right side, plus many other features about KDE-3.x are highly customizable, so if KDE-4.x turns in to just a dumbed down desktop with no way to customize anythingi will abandonit, and i agree that menu system sucks from what i seen of the release candidates, i will stick with KDE-3.x until the time comes to abandon it and use something like ICEwm or EDE, XFCE, or some other similar lightweight desktop...
- BrainInAJar, on 01/11/2008, -0/+4On Solaris, built with studioCC ( no gcc involved whatsoever ):
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/242 - MWeather, on 01/11/2008, -2/+6I find it ironic that Apache 2.0.0 sucked too.
- wisam, on 01/11/2008, -2/+6stop whining
- markey, on 01/11/2008, -0/+4Amarok has its own release schedule, independent of KDE. Amarok2 is currently in pre alpha state, and we're making good progress towards a first release.
- inactive, on 01/11/2008, -2/+6You took the words directly from my mouth, shakin. Seriously, give them back.
You know, I keep hearing about the lack of options in Gnome, but I have yet to find something in the latest release of Gnome that I can't configure easily... EXCEPT THE DAMN SCREENSAVER, but that's a whole other rant.
More on-topic, while KDE 4 looks pretty, and I'm certainly going to be installing it, I am disappointed in the myriad reports of immaturity in the first "stable" build. You're welcome to say "well it's new", but that's why we have betas. Hell, as of today, Gmail is STILL beta... - redcard, on 01/11/2008, -0/+4Amarok 2.0 was never going to be in KDE 4 Final.
Ever.
It has nothing to do with your post, it's that Amarok is developed on a different timeline. -
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