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- schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -7/+39It's not three, it's _at least_ three. Microsoft paid the weak ones wgucg never really thought outside the proprietary mindset or just wanted to make lots of money from other people's work. Guess what? Microsoft /paid/ them to accept 'guilt' and later they denied they they believe in patent issues... so /WHY/ did they sign the deal? Money from Microsoft... think of it as bribery that's intended to manipulate the market.
- v3locity, on 10/11/2007, -1/+31I know what 3 distro's I'll never ever use now.
- Dankoozy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24the chances are I won't even notice if the 3 distro's that signed deals just die. since I use FC6 the only effect it has on me is the endless stream of stories on digg about it
- mattt79, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22In addition to Red Hat, Ubuntu and Mandriva I think we can count on several more to NEVER take the deal... Slackware, Gentoo and of course Debian come to mind.
Anyway, aren't most other distributions Debian or Red Hat derived? That should make it difficult for them to "Drink the Koolade" if it sufficiently pisses-off their upstream source. -Matt - schoate09, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Yea. Basically, the only ones that signed (SuSE, Xandros, and Linspire) are all proprietary distros focused on making money off proprietary technology rather than the good of Open Source Software. They deserve to fail.
- jellygraph, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14i'm throwing my support behind the 3 who didnt sign... sorry novell, you got to make good and leave the deal... i've moved on to ubuntu and debian because of it
- Dankoozy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I know 3 distro's I was never going to use anyway.
- Waterrat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10 Yes they are.
Klikit-Linux is new,but they won't be signing the "deal "either.
- plutpwnium, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9The day Novell signed with Microsoft was the day I vowed to never use Suse Distributions again. Xandros and Linspire are also on my blacklist. Im loving Ubuntu, and will possibly be experimenting with Slackware for a bit. OpenSource FTW
- Spr0k3t, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Open Source is a threat to Microsoft. They are being attacked on multiple fronts; business consumers, rivals (such as Google), their own employees, and even the general populous. Open Source is like a cancer... it will spread far and wide and will take many attempts to kill it. Like all cancer, it is never truly gone.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Not only did you link to a competing website.... YOU DIDN'T EVEN LINK AN ARTICLE!
- plizard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6i'm surprise about linspire. i always thought that flavor had potential. oh well.
guess i'll stick with ubuntu
i wonder if this is the slow start to microsoft's fall from being the leader in the os game. - sexybobo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I agree with you for the most part. out of the three Novell, Xandros and Linspire. Novell is the only company that has made any big contributions to linux and i think it is also the only one that will be missed if microsoft sues them all out of existence. so long as debian, redhat, slackware and ubuntu don't sign i dont think this will have much impact on the community as a hole.
the one thing i do hope happens soon after all this is that opensuse starts severing it's ties more and more with novell - NiX0n, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5FC6 is so last month. It's all about the Fedora 7 baby.
- loconet, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10"But as of today, the "deal/no deal" count is even."
.. and the linux community is fragmented which is exactly what MS wants. - schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4thats fsck /dev/ms for us. Speak the language we understand.
- mattt79, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The point is, that signing with Microsoft creates the impression that Linux includes patent encumbered technologies, and that some distributions are "temporarily" allowed to use them. This then gives Microsoft the impression of "facts on the ground" that all of the other distros are infringing.
Now some distros, may have the money to pay to license these patents, but this leaves out the Free distributions. Other distros may have a patent portfolio of their own to use defensively, but the arguably best equipped of them (Novell) has signed a separate peace agreement, leaving the rest out in the cold.
The kicker is that anyone who signs these contracts, is only getting TEMPORARY safety, with Microsoft having the power to cancel early. This means that at some time advantageous to MS (another Republican administration, weak antitrust enforcement), MS could rescind the agreement and sue their "partner" out of existence. To quote Darl McBride, "Contracts are what you use against people you have a relationship with".
And we all know how various other companies have fared in "relationships" with Microsoft. - aliengoods, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Let's help them. I'm boycotting any distro that sign with MS, and I wouldn't recommend them to my consulting clients either.
- jellystones, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I think Windows Marketplace has user submissions
- NiX0n, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5No offense to any of the fans of those other distros. In my eyes, it's two against one right now. The only three that really matter is Red Hat, Novell, and Ubuntu.
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9Tell M$ to go ***** themselves!
- jjsaw5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3microsoft sucks
- heavyal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Hehe, must have been a hot item - they are out of stock!!!!!!
- macewan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Write
- wezzul, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Slashdot has a better discussion on every topic.
- heavyal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The companies that are saying 'no' to ms have gained so much credibility by going this route. They have shown they are truly a part of the groupthink that makes up the open source effort. Kudos to them.
Totally off topic - when did Digg get these new comment boxes and threading model?!? It's AWESOME!!! And its ABOUT TIME!!! - plutpwnium, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Windows_Marketplace_Ubuntu/
Dugg caught it before M$ pulled it down. - Fartag, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree it's resilient and it'll continue to spread, but object to any remaining connotations that it's a disease that's killing something worthwhile. No, open source is not like the cancer in that sense, but rather the cure.
Open source cure information:
You can copy, modify and share it.
You can know what your machine is doing using publicly inspectable codes
It has distribution mechanism that naturally protects against virii and most poorly written closed source codes.
It inoculates against EULAs, DRM and other legal or technical controls over your machine
Side effects include: freedom, and destruction of evil empires that cripple you for profit - magical1492, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I love Ubuntu and Fedora. I can assume in the future Wine will get more support than it already has and will be able to run more, and that's when I drop Windows.
- cantormath, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2GO LINUX!!!!!
- chrup, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Software patents make no sense and should not be allowed.
Otherwise, why don't I just come up with 500 weird ideas of how to write this and that and get a patent on each of them and then sue everybody that is in the business of writing software today? I'm sure, there are tons off little routines that everybody is using on a daily basis in every programming task that are not currently patented. - schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I am on that right now - Fedora 7 just flat out rocks. What has been perplexing me in that good way is the following thought - If RHEL 5 is based off of FC6, and F7 is this sweet, what will RHEL6 bring to the table in 1.5-2 years? Xen or KVM will be smoking. Compiz/Beryl will have really polished the bejesus out of the desktop. FUSE support will be better on all the ugly FS's that we are forced to put up with (yes NTFS, zfs and HPFS+). And gaming should be looking still better.
Considering that gives me a grand smile of glee! - cesclaveria, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2it used to be here: http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3411347
but now it just gives an error message. - heavyal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here - do you mean that it doesn't matter who signed what? Or just that it doesn't matter to YOU specifically because you'll never move away from FC6? That doesn't quite make sense. If RedHat had caved and signed the agreement you would have been out of luck - eventually MS would have used its three E strategy (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish) to at least take the teeth out of any RedHat distro and likely eliminate them altogether at some point. Then you would have had to go with the next runner up .. same thing would happen if Ubuntu or Mandriva sold out .. and the 'snowball' effect of having these bigger distros crumble under the MS dominion would eventually bring down the whole group (worst case scenario, not saying its going to happen).
I don't know, it just seems odd that you've got ten diggs for a comment that is personally subjective. - HDFury, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://digg.com/linux_unix/Windows_Marketplace_Ubuntu
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Red Hat has so many vital employees that would literally get up and get a new job by lunch (Alan Cox is the most famous of the group) that day if they signed. That would be Red Hat's death knell. What was reassuring to the market was Canonical refusing, and Mandriva refusing just made this a menage a trois :D 3 Really potent distros that have shaped the market in their own way have refused. RH for owning the server. MDK for getting the noobs feeling at home, and Ubuntu for getting the masses knowing the name.
Good point, nonetheless. Only time will tell, but I have a feeling the Red Hat video speaks the truth:
http://www.redhat.com/v/ogg/TruthHappensRmx.ogg
http://www.redhat.com/v/ogg/truthhappens.ogg
Other RH flicks:
http://www.redhat.com/videos/ourfilms.html - HDFury, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://digg.com/linux_unix/Windows_Marketplace_Ubuntu
- plutpwnium, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Digg Mirror caught it though...
http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Windows_Marketplace_Ubuntu/ - Oldschoolhack, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah, and the headshot to MS was when DELL made agreements to sell Linux computers preinstalled.
- HDFury, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I would like to retract my last comment. Apparently it has since been taken off the Marketplace
- kiranaryan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It's like saying vista is a better os at the mac forums.
- DealMinded, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Joking? http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Fix_the_Comment_System
- inactive, on 08/26/2008, -0/+1I think it's good that some distros are working with MS for interoperability, and that others are rejecting MS so as not to become dead by it.
- joshshu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I have never paid for any software
- Oldschoolhack, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What will help you move faster to Linux is if you join us (the dark side), and join the wine community and help/petition for the programs you want wine to work with.
- keeganspeck, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I would completely embrace that simile if that cancer would stick together and sign a pact to, rather than kill/fragment its body/user base, kill off the guy the body/user base hates most; Microsoft/umm... Microsoft (Everything hates Microsoft... my body and cancer included).
- Dankoozy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1i'd move to fc7, i have it downloaded. or debian, mandriva, ubuntu. even lfs if i have to
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Actually what works well, is a demo laptop running via crossover some of the more common Windows apps. Show that Word, IE, Photoshop work. Show soem games (steam, WoW, SimCity). After you show them that break down the costs:
$0 for the OS itself
$40 for Crossover. Not needed, but may help the transition
$0 has its own firewall, and is immune to viruses right now.
$0 for most software. Open Source is free in all respects.
Pause at the last one. Show them OpenOffice, Gimp, gnuCash, Pidgin, Amarok, and some cool games that fit their situation. For example, parents drool over the educational stuff. Search the repos, you will find them (in Fedora 7 and Ubuntu 7.04 at least). For others it may be WoW, Starcraft, Need for Speed, whatever. The peeps like to chill, and if they only see productivity, the will walk. May not come outright with it, but the Linux will do a Walk ... out the door.
Let them fart around a bit, demo Beryl a bit more. Then tell them what you will charge to deliver it all -- that means you hook them up. I word it this way -- I charge for the education, the software cost me nil, I charge nil. I will leave a custom firefox rpm/deb with an extra folder with all the links to Codeweavers and their distro's forums (Cedega too). I show them that, and let them order any software they want that costs.
I have converted about 2 a month steadily since last year this time. Thats 2 customers, not individual machines. One family loved it and had me do 3 computers and ordered 2 new ones from System 76. So, just be calm and above all LISTEN to the customer/convertee and deliver. Linux can deliver! Dont botch it, and by all means, you will have new happy computing member of society. - Spr0k3t, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Open Source is like a Cancer to Microsoft and the X-Gene to people like you and I... < / Comic Book Guy >
- Oldschoolhack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2No this is what it needed. The dividing line hopefully will bring the remaining together and come up with something revolutionary. When was the last time that linux distros agreed with anything?
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