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- johni, on 07/30/2008, -8/+203
Please nvidia, fix the drivers. It's absolutely ridiculous that my old geforce3 performs better on standard 2D stuff than my 8600GT! - geoken, on 07/30/2008, -5/+101Because we like to play games?
When I'm playing Quake Wars it doesn't really whether my OS is 'known for gaming', I'm too busy tea bagging Strogg'. I also play all my Orange Box games through WINE with no visible framerate difference (as compared to XP).
Also, many Linux users dual boot into XP for gaming. - LetsGoHokies, on 07/30/2008, -22/+99Forgive my ignorance, but I have an honest question. I don't know much about linux, other than running Ubuntu on a live cd to play around with it. The article tag says "those who were left in the dark after purchasing expensive, high end NVIDIA cards that do not work properly on Linux." Why exactly would you buy an expensive, high end video card for an OS that is not known for gaming? Just wondering.
- josh1413, on 07/30/2008, -7/+75As a Linux junkie you should know to do research before you purchase a computer item.
- dfraser, on 07/30/2008, -10/+65In my experience, I've had the most luck getting nVidia cards to work with Linux. Perhaps they're not perfect, but their cards mostly work and perform very well. Actual working 3D acceleration, working video acceleration.
I'm not surprised that Linux isn't a top priority for nVidia given the relatively tiny user base, but I'm glad they're at least making an effort!
Story buried due to being an unfair, one-sided inflammatory piece. - shrewduser, on 07/30/2008, -16/+67it always seems that companies that have poorer linux support always get this run of bad luck while the companies who do better than their competition get a run of good luck.
look at nvidia, amd, intel and many other hardware companies, while nvidia where the best supported discrete cards they were sitting pretty, now that they're not so competitive on linux they're having a whole boat load of issues and getting their asses handed to them by ATI while ATI/amd have been the opposite...
coincidence? :) - SolidSnak, on 07/30/2008, -19/+68Give me a better driver or give me my money back.
- LetsGoHokies, on 07/30/2008, -0/+49Makes sense, thanks for the answer.
- ptFoe, on 07/30/2008, -1/+38http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA
- DestroyFascism, on 07/30/2008, -2/+33I edit Video and Multimedia on free non Adobe apps. I need GFX power as some of it needs a good GPU to do...
People actually use computers to produce "work" on, not just fart around on some map with a bunch of loonies... - chicken101, on 07/30/2008, -5/+34ATI still supports AIGLX so poorly, I can't play videos and the scrolling in firefox is abysmal. People with Nvidia cards have had it easy for so long....
2-d support for my ati 9600xt has never really worked right. The sad thing is I don't even notice it anymore. - matthekc, on 07/30/2008, -5/+34so wait window resizing and scrolling is supposed to be smooth honestly until I read this I didn't really even notice it was choppy.
I love what Gnu/Linux stands for and it still beats windows in my opinion but I wonder what else I've learned to ignore or just never have seen work right. - DiggFuchs, on 07/30/2008, -7/+36Story buried for being one-sided, unfair and not 100% correct.
First of all: nvidia is aware of the problem and, if you dare to read a 12-or-so pages thread, you'll see that there are options in the newer (not even beta) drivers which increase performance. Being a Linux (mostly gentoo, red hat and debian before) user for some years now, I really had the best experience with nvidia. Ati forced people to use XGL for compiz for a long time, and the installation and usability of drivers and tools just got up to a nvidia level recently. Intel has severe problems with OpenGL on some cards (OpenGL context always on top, not half the performance of the same driver in windows), ati has, according to comments, problems with compiz, 3d and videos as well. 2D performance is just fine here (and I do have a 8000 series card), however, I am not using KDE 4.1 (which just hit some experimental repos of the major distributions ...) yet.
Then to all the people telling that open source drivers are that better: For some strange reasons, on a Lenovo R61, which exists with a nvidia or intel GPU (the configuration is just the same otherwise), things like suspend to ram, 3d and hibernate do work better with nvidia and the closed source driver than with the open intel driver.
Just my opinion and experience on this case. - srg13, on 07/30/2008, -2/+30GPUs aren't just for games - In the high end, they can be used to accelerate graphics intensive apps like scientific programs, 3D modelling applications, colour grading and compositing software (for cinema post), and so on.
On the lower end, you have games (of which there are a few good commercial games, as well as a lot of open source ones. And then there is Wine, which runs Source based games quite well), and compositing window managers (like Compiz Fusion, although these only require a extremely low spec card), and so on. - inactive, on 07/30/2008, -4/+31Blame the manufactures? We can't not! It's their drivers. They won't let us fix it so we bitch at them - They do have the ability legally to release it mind you.
KDE uses different, yet still standard, extensions. (AFAIK) Nvidia used to have problems with compiz, but surprise - They're gone now. NVidia has special support for Compiz now.
So sensationalism may suck but these cries for help are totally necessary - We do have a big enough market share to bitch about terrible support. Additionally, Ever here of "Render Farms"? If you use hardware accelerated rendering with NVidia, I'm sure you'd be disappointed if you expected to be able to run Linux on them only to find your expensive hardware won't work or well enough and now you have to bulk license Windows. General users don't have to deal with that, but it's the same thing except on a higher level. - Vadi0, on 07/30/2008, -7/+33Guess what - if you don't use KDE 4, you aren't screwed over.
So, be a happy Linux user, use Gnome or whatever other DE there is. Compiz for all your eye-candy needs, screenlets/google gadgets for the random widgets :) - monoa, on 07/30/2008, -0/+24Where do you get free nVidia cards?
You didn't think too much before using that keyboard, did you? - Kamujin, on 07/30/2008, -1/+22You keep saying that...
I don't think that means what you think it does. - inactive, on 07/30/2008, -0/+20Wow, Pittance and Mirunit are clueless. If you want to run Linux / NVidia just drop KDE4 until Nvidia gets off their rich lazy asses and fixes it
- Pittance, on 07/30/2008, -7/+27I think Nvidia is still winning the game lately. Especially with those new big cards that came out. Where do you get your info about AMD being ahead?
- Phocion55, on 07/30/2008, -6/+26Before anymore worthless "Linux users are overzealous" comments are posted here, let me remind you:
"Nvidia Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Vista Drivers" - http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/ ... - Aitese, on 07/30/2008, -0/+19Right...because Linux users get hardware for free. Or are you suggesting you PAID for your Windows drivers? Or, and this might be the most likely answer, are you just talking out of your ass?
You pay for an item, you expect that item to work...Nvidia has our money...we pay full price like everyone else. Everyone else gets to go to the Nvidia website every now and again and download WORKING drivers at no additional charge...what the ***** does you giving money to Microsoft/Apple have to do with Nvidia you twit? - SolidSnak, on 07/30/2008, -4/+23Okay, I had only three realistic choices at the time. Buy an ATI card, buy a nVidia card, or buy a motherboard with built in accelerated graphics. I wanted good performance so I didn't go with the motherboard's built in graphics, and I wanted to use nVidia because all of the other computers I have use nVidia cards. I was under the impression that nVidia cards worked fine with linux.
- Mononuclear, on 07/30/2008, -5/+23Nvidia's closed drivers still offer much more than best open ATI drivers do in linux. ATI is hardly winning.
- Disfnord, on 07/30/2008, -0/+18It's a KDE4 thing, and there is a simple fix for it.
- brandstaetter, on 12/01/2008, -11/+27At least NVIDIA drivers work better than the ATI crap they call drivers.
- metalstorm, on 07/30/2008, -0/+16@ HoratioHellpop - "You do NOT have a right to bitch about support for an OS you PAID NOTHING FOR."
Wrong, I paid for the hardware and their drivers to use them. While ultimately they get to choose what OSes they support, its still possible for all this "bitching" to enlighten them to supporting a larger user base by including Linux.
They should support Linux for the exact reason that RiverBelow said, ATI released a decent mid range card and they are in tight competition again. It's a small investment to support Linux with better drivers and with ATI already doing this with open source drivers, Nvidia will lose out. - dallen, on 07/30/2008, -0/+15Except for the ATI 4850
- Cenobite, on 07/30/2008, -13/+28Get your ***** together, NVIDIA, or I'm gonna bust a nut!
- hokie47, on 07/30/2008, -2/+16It's because you don't want to piss off us nerds. Who do people come to when they need a new computer? Nerds that's who.
- xerox, on 07/30/2008, -0/+14Wow, its like they have tech articles on digg or something?!
- NJHiker, on 07/30/2008, -1/+15You're gonna bust a nut over this?
- kleverness, on 07/30/2008, -4/+18I'm using KDE 4.1 and resizing performance is slow as hell. Also, there are 2D graphical glitches which are quite annoying like the OpenOffice cursor bug.
I'm on a Geforce 6150, so this is not only related to the 8xxx/9xxx as many have said.
I'm waiting for the ATI free drivers to mature so I can get a new card. :) - inactive, on 07/30/2008, -1/+13Agree with above. ATI is just not even an option on Linux. NVidia cards have some of the best drivers - But right now, if you want to use the latest software you can't, which is why people are pissed off - even now with 4.1, still nothing.
- Cpt0bvius, on 07/30/2008, -2/+14To all of the above:
You guys are forgetting that ⅓ of all blue screens within vista are caused by nvidia drivers....ONE THIRD - srg13, on 07/30/2008, -0/+12I have had the same experience... I'm using Gnome and Compiz Fusion, and I haven't noticed any issues.
- FairDinkumMate, on 07/30/2008, -0/+11RTFA - Is the 6600GT an 8000/9000 series nVidia card(which is what the story refers to)?
- bllambert, on 07/30/2008, -5/+16My 8600GT is rocking in Linux. Quake Wars and Compiz without a sweat. Maybe its your distro?
- jejeje666, on 07/30/2008, -0/+11sudo Ebay my Nvidia 8800!
- claypool2008, on 07/30/2008, -1/+11That's funny. I'm running a measly geforce 8500 with Gnome and Compiz Fusion and no problems whatsoever. The impression I get is it IS KDE4 only.
- TehDoctor, on 07/30/2008, -0/+10Ok... Do people think I'm trying to be a troll or something?
I have an Nvidia card in my laptop and the driver will not unload during hibernation. Could someone explain why I'm getting dugg down for wanting to Nvidia to fix that? - czeman, on 07/30/2008, -0/+10You pay for drivers, Blitzenn? lol
I bet you'd pay an extra $2500 for the keys to a car you want to buy,! - inactive, on 07/30/2008, -2/+12***** you! It's the drivers fault you retard! How can we hate Linux because the drivers they released don't work? I payed for the hardware. I expected their drivers to work.
If it's Linux's fault, then how come it works on other types of graphics cards? Linux haters is for things like Samba that are downright stupid. - Phocion55, on 07/30/2008, -2/+12Right. Let's not forget how "overzealous" early-adopting Vista users got with Nvidia:
"Nvidia Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Vista Drivers"
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/ ...
If expressing disappointment in a product is "overzealous", then how exactly would you classify going after a class action lawsuit?
There's no excuse for problems with Vista, and there's no excuse for problems with Linux. - Sogui, on 07/30/2008, -6/+16Nvidia is still kicking ATI's ass, the 8800GT is still the best deal you can get on a good video card that can run almost anything on the market on high-very high (except Crysis, which I play on medium).
- nxtwrld, on 07/30/2008, -1/+11since there is an official proprietary driver from NVIDIA, it is no an incompatible product....it's just a driver that sucks...
- Erythroxylum, on 07/30/2008, -25/+35I bet nVidia are ***** in their pants with terror over a handful of ever-complaining wankers having their knickers in a twist because of something they didn't do to the complete satisfaction of said ever-complaining wankers.
'Sir, we've got a crisis. Some dorks are unhappy about driver support for their fringe operating system!'
'Give me the bottom line - how much is this going to cost?'
'We don't know sir, maybe up to a few hundred dollars.'
'...Get out of my office.' - Shadowgamers, on 07/30/2008, -0/+10Your nut is going to go bust over this?
- richempire, on 07/30/2008, -1/+10you don't pay for drivers, drivers are the company's obligation for the physical card they just got 500 bucks from you, weather you run Vista, XP, Linux, BSD or Solaris on their card, just because it doesn't have sticker on it that say whatever, it doesn't mean that the others should be left in the dark.
if their lazy ass don't want to address problems with their drivers, they should open source the thing - InorganicMatter, on 07/30/2008, -6/+15Woah, chill the hell out. Holy cow, the bug hasn't even been known to the general public for more than a few hours since the launch of KDE 4.1, and everyone's already screaming about how poor their drivers are.
Do you people have any idea how long it takes REAL software development teams to respond to something like this? First enough customers have to complain, then a support ticket gets filed by a sympathetic CSR, then it filters down through hundreds of developers to the right one, then (s)he fixes it, then it gets sent off to testing, then it gets sent back and tweaked. Once the problem is finally is all fixed (REALLY fixed, not the open source definition of fixed which means "try this...and this...and this" until something works), the fix is committed and it makes it to the general public in a couple weeks when another release build is done.
A fix is coming, just chill. -
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