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- Fluidity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63Champaigne? Is that some open source but harder to open/use version of Champagne?
- Dochtuir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33This makes using a dual boot setup a whole lot easier
- mallow005, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28not true. No developer is arrogant and stupid enough to assume their app/project will ever be bug-free. Unless they're discontinuing it, there will always be versions beyond 1.0. It just means that it is STABLE and has been tested a LOT, it can be used with confidence. They are trying to contrast to Windows apps which often are unstable and buggy right after release.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30". . .1.0 has a very near magical meaning in Linux-land."
...because most OSS projects apparently feel that 1.0 is, literally, the *final* version of their software. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25> Pop the champaigne!
...Or grab all the files from Win32 and pop the partition. - oilcan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18good for them. it's only been working pretty darn well for years now, about time they give themselves credit for a stable release.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Look up the Ubuntu Win32 installer. That's as close to what you want as you'll get.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15There are no such risks anymore. There only ever were with the experimental NTFS kernel driver (these days that is safe but has extremely limited write capabilities).
Anyway there are 1 or 2 things missing from 3G but they are things the average user doesn't need. It has worked absolutely perfectly for me for months. Most safe with NTFS I've ever felt ;). - Dochtuir, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22I don't think so. I wouldn't advise it even if you could. That would mean the linux filesystem would be ntfs!
- shaun3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Yup, use MacFUSE, download the Core DMG:
http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/
You'll also need MacFUSE Tools:
http://forums.applenova.com/showpost.php?p=437982&postcount=207
Installer for NFFS-3G, optimized for OS X:
http://forums.applenova.com/showpost.php?p=443670&postcount=236
Install in the posted order, pobably best to restart after installing the Core FUSE. After everything's installed, just mount your NTFS partition. Or, if it's already mounted, unmount and re-mount. First time I mounted I got an error, I just remounted and it worked fine. - brnews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I wonder if Ubuntu Feisty Fawn will include this feature by default..
- Sparkster185, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13You've been able to safely read a NTFS partition for some time now. I was able to read my old user data from Windows (documents, mp3s, pictures, etc) in Linux just fine.
Not being able to edit data was kind of annoying, but if I needed to do that I would just copy it over to my ext3 partition. - lengau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@Tsen -
After you get to around 85-90% full on the disk, even FS's like EXT and Reiser can fragment (there's no longer enough space to keep moving the files around).
However, it is much better than NTFS, in which your disk fragments as soon as you write to a file twice nonconsecutively. - victorc26, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11What about NTFS writing stability?
I'm deathly afraid of corrupting any of my NTFS partitions, since NTFS writers in Linux [in the past] have always has NTFS corruptions risks associated to them. So I just used read support. - Tsen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@Hackwrench:
Because ext3 and ReiserFS don't fragment. NTFS does. - spxiii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dual boot is so 5 picoseconds ago. Virtualization FTW!
- kiwiboyus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Works great in my Linux Mint/XP Home dual boot laptop
- sodypop77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8It appears to be a mix of spelling between the beverage Champagne and the great city of Champaign, IL.
- victorc26, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Jesus guys, I'm seriously asking. I've been traumatized by NTFS corruption before, by Windows no less.
So it's a relevant concern for me. - pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@schestowitz
That doesn't make any sense... *reading* NTFS partitions is the easy part. - bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yup, rkutz that was pretty bad of everyone to digg you down without actually checking - there is the old (I'm not sure if it's still running) Cooperative Linux - http://www.colinux.org/
...and of course the Debian Win32 Installer - www.goodbye-microsoft.com
And the project that inspired the Debian installer (as mentioned above by GMorgan - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe - pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yes.
- Sparkster185, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://osx.iusethis.com/app/macfuse
- ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Lorian
You laugh, but there was a way to install and run Linux on a DOS partition (FAT16 I guess) that was actually pretty popular in the early days of Linux. I actually did that for a while (about 10 years ago) before switching to dual-boot, it actually worked quite well. It might've worked on FAT32 as well, but I don't remember. - bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If you don't want to see it it sometimes helps not to read Linux related threads.
- victorc26, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Cool. :)
NTFS NAS box/local NTFS hard drive file storage, here I come! - springah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"which in the Windows world often means "little better than beta""
uh.. does it? - neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I didn't know you were such a coini-sewer ;)
- bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Last I knew people who moan about dupes got dugg down.
- Noctem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Sweet. One of the reasons I haven't switched fully to Linux yet has been somewhat poor NTFS support. I'm heavily invested in NTFS (current partitions, external hard drives, etc) and there hasn't been a very good solution for it as of yet, and using FAT32 just isn't a possibility due to file size limitations.
- fabioakita, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did anyone try from Mac OS? Can I use my Bootcamp partition without fear of having a corrupted disk?
- darkvad0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can read ext3 partitions on windows just by installing IFS Drives. As far as I can tell that's not a lot of 3d party software.
- cantormath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah, but, everyone hates ATI.
- VinceNoir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bigtomrodney
Well... some people just like to comment on things they think shouldn't even exist. Mostly it's related to having a small ***** or being beaten up as a kid. - Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2eMule, for instance, has been in development for nearly 5 years, and it's only reached v0.47c. It's got plenty of features and it's rock-solid. I'm definitely no n00b, but even I'll pass up sub-1.0 software due to the impression that it's still a beta, despite being, again, rock-solid and quite usable. I'm not willing to take that chance. It was a fight against my "better judgment" to actually give eMule a shot years ago.
One of the reasons I think it's still stuck at sub-1.0 is because they haven't, as far as I can tell, set any goals. The other is probably because they actually have more people working on their website (7) than they have developing the software itself (2). - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"years"?
It's been out for 6~7 months. I love how people just make stuff up :) - NedSlider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quote: "eMule, for instance, has been in development for nearly 5 years, and it's only reached v0.47c. It's got plenty of features and it's rock-solid. I'm definitely no n00b, but even I'll pass up sub-1.0 software due to the impression that it's still a beta, despite being, again, rock-solid and quite usable. I'm not willing to take that chance. It was a fight against my "better judgment" to actually give eMule a shot years ago."
Hmm, I don't see the correlation... I'm looking at my RH Enterprise Linux box here wondering why I have so many 0.x packages on an enterprise system known for it's stability. Heck, even my GRUB boot loader is only 0.95-3.5, openssl is 0.9.7a-43.14 and even tftp is 0.39-2 and that's almost as old as me. I think you'll find that if you check your own system(s), you are already running dozens of software packages yet to attain 1.0 status :) - givre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NTFS support for linux is a damn long story, with a lot of failure, and few success
This driver is a continuation of the hard work made by the linux-ntfs team since years,
and i'm glad that they finally release a stable driver.
Yes, pop the champagne! :) - frankce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You must have used a very old beta driver. Performance was improved drastically. For example there is a post on the ntfs-3g forum when copying two big files took over 40 hours with an old driver meanwhile the latest one did it in 45-60 seconds! http://forum.ntfs-3g.org/viewtopic.php?t=255
- frankce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@diggapleaze: NTFS reverse engineering started in 1995 and the current driver in 2000: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/about.html
- Supergeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think you mean "in the Microsoft world." There are many very solid, usable third-party applications for Windows. It's the snake-nest of the Windows OS that usually has problems, not the apps.
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@VinceNoir
If I could digg you up 5 times I would, good sir. - jerrro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have used ntfs-3g for some months now, works perfect! And together with truecrypt, which is also available for Windows I have a crypted disk I can share between systems. Nice!
- TheLoneWolf071, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Lol... Well it *has* been working, but a few hitches have made it unstable, I've had my entire NTFS partition ruined because it failed to unmount it properly. It wasn't a big deal, but it was still what made it unstable. I'm glad they have gotten a stable release out and I hope more groups like this flourish so that we can finally have a good melding between linux and windows. I know the EXT3 can be mounted under windows with the help of a lot of 3rd party software, but this is the only *good* NTFS project out there.
- mmazing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Happiness.
- seppevs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've used in under Ubuntu to access my external hard disk in both Windows and Linux. It worked, but it was *very* slow when I tried to copy a DVD ISO file (4.2 GB). It took several hours to copy it .. so I decided to format my external hdd as ext3 and use the fs-driver.org under Windows.
- Werrismys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've found NTFS gets _really_ slow in common operations once you have lots of files on a fs. Reiser3 handles them fine. With lots I mean hundreds of thousands to millions.
- Werrismys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have used it since last july and have yet to experience data loss.
Well, I did lose one external USB drive but that was because a Windows XP machine bluescreened while runnins scandisk on it ;-D
But no data loss because of ntfs-3g. It used to often slow down to nil when doing lots of concurrent access or wrint DVD images or other big files, dunno if that part is fixed. - greyfade, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1calling Windows programs at 1.0 "unstable and buggy" is disingenuous to the unstable and buggy pre-1.0 software of the world.
- EzarKun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2ATi hates Canadians!
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