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- sharkscott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25It goes to show that the Mozilla Foundation/Corporation is not a bad thing, and never was. If they had not changed their structure they would not have had the money to donate to the BSD Project. I too hope that other companies will do as Mozilla has.
- eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Very few of the OpenBSD developers are paid for their work on OpenBSD, and AFAIK none of them are actually employed for the explicit purpose of working on OpenBSD. Almost all of their work is done on their own time, at their own expense. This money goes towards hardware equipment and conventions, not paid work.
- towsonu2003, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18google searches in firefox + click on an ad => money to firefox
- inotocracy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Not to mention they also develop OpenSSH which is used just about everywhere, they do a great service to everyone for nothing.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17If you guys didnt already know, the OpenBSD project needed $10k in order to survive.
- predius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15They also get loads of money through the ads in their searchpages on Google and Yahoo.
- inotocracy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15This is wonderful news, kudos to the Mozilla foundation!
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Great! I'm glad to see Mozilla is paying their dues. They also were once a young, penniless group with bright ideas.
I think what the poster means is that those companies should be trying to help out these people and other open-source projects. - apeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15This was very kind of the Mozilla Foundation. Too bad the big boys aren't paying yet.
- mrcriminy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Just like Sun and Cisco are? I'm not saying Apple isn't putting money into BSD development but both Cisco and Sun have products based off of BSD software and haven't given anything back.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11OpenBSD = BSD license, not GPL.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Right. Because they earned $70,000,000, they must donate $1,000,000. They donate what they FEEL is necessary and it's THEIR choice to donate at all.
Just for your perspective, if you earned $30,000 this year, to match the same percentage, you'd have to donate $450.
Ungrateful bastards. - towsonu2003, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10very kind. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Like I said in my post above, OpenBSD needed a $10k donation or the project would be forced to call it quits.
- Angmar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thanks for saying that. I guess the title didn't say it all.
- Elxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Next up, Steve Jobs decides to donate $10,000 as well. And we will watch all the ignorant Apple nuts (the same ones that are complaining about this donation) go "Yay, see this rich guy giving away so much money, he's so generous!"
- CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think it is sad that a company thats OS is built on top of OpenBSD can't give any money back yet a open-source project that doesn't directly use it will give $10k to them.
At least I know the Mozilla Foundation isn't evil. - chopstickhero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Very nice, glad to see they are giving back to the Open Source community.
- CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8They didn't have to give any money and noone was expecting them to give any, but they did anyways. This is better than companies like Apple who make millions (billions?) that directly correspond to the project and don't give anything back. Besides they're giving out a good amount of money to a good project and your complaining?! wtf is wrong with you?!
- opiniastrous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yeah, I think the last figure I read on what Mozilla gets from the Google searchbar was around $74 million. Don't quote me on that though...
- gnatinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Snippet from "Interview: Theo de Raadt of OpenBSD" link venture37 posted above:
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NF: Lots of hardware vendors use OpenSSH. Have you got anything back from them?
TdR: If I add up everything we have ever gotten in exchange for our efforts with OpenSSH, it might amount to $1,000. This all came from individuals. For our work on OpenSSH, companies using OpenSSH have never given us a cent. What about companies that incorporate OpenSSH directly into their products, saving themselves millions of dollars? Companies such as Cisco, Sun, SGI, HP, IBM, Siemens, a raft of medium-sized firewall companies -- we have not received a cent. Or from Linux vendors? Not a cent.
Of course we did not set out to create OpenSSH for the money -- we purposely made it completely free so that the "telnet infrastructure" of the 1980s would die. But it sure is sad that none of these companies return even a fraction of value in kind.
If you want to judge any entity particularly harshly, judge Sun. Yearly they hold interoperability events, for NFS and other protocols, and they include SSH implementation tests as well. Twice we asked them to cover the travel and accommodation costs for a developer to come to their event, and they refused. Considering that their SunSSH is directly based on our code, that is just flat out insulting. Shame on you Sun, shame, shame, shame.
I will say it here -- if an OpenSSH hole is found that applies to SunSSH, Sun will not be informed. Or maybe that has happened already.
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Seriously WTF... what a bunch of assbags, especially Sun - eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Solaris borrows a lot more from BSD than OS X does.
- Venture37, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5no, but they include OpenSSH with their hardware
- metalhed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But they do use OpenSSH in a lot of their products:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20030917-openssh.shtml#affected - treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3err, try $4.29 .... would be the equivalent % if you earned $30,000
woops... this comment is meant for below - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2$10k is toilet paper to them.
- Reek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Take a leaf?
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the link is more about OpenSSH then OpenBSD...that makes more sense
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Portuguese / Brazilian : http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=436
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http://www.htk.com.br/ - vonskippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Besides the math problem - your logic is flaky. Mozilla didn't earn 70 million, they had over 70 million in PROFIT. Most people who earn $30K only have a few thousand (if that) left over after expenses.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wow I made a serious error in my math. That's what happens when you haven't slept in over a day. So disregard the $450 comment, everything else still stands.
- Polaris75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Apple absolutely should donate as OSX is based on FreeBSD which uses A LOT of OpenBSD code. Sun on the other hand has no reason to donate as they develop all their own stuff, including the sshd used in Solaris ... and Cisco is getting to be about as bad as Microsoft, so I just couldn't see them ever donating to anything that wasn't really high-profile so it would improve their image with the general public (disaster relief, etc.).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Portuguese / Brazilian : http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=436
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http://www.htk.com.br/ - Venture37, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some more info on the funding crisis:
http://os.newsforge.com/os/06/03/20/2050223.shtml
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20060321034114&mode=flat - simbaB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Kudos to the Mozilla Foundation (or Corporation or whatever...) but anyone who has been following this story would know that Theo de Raadt clearly hasn't heard or doesn't believe the old saying, "You get more flies with honey than with vinegar." Somehow I think if OpenBSD had managed their finances (and fundraising!) better instead of getting on their proverbial soapbox (some might call it bitching), they wouldn't be in this situation. Stick a PayPal link on the OpenSSH homepage. Heck, be nicer about asking for money. Don't try to shame corporations (or most people). It won't work. I'll bet if their approach was more subtle they'd have gotten more money--you probably wouldn't have seen it on Digg though.
- stalinvlad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Like most of us with TWO or more brain cells the IRAQ (***** I said it ) War was/is a no-brainer: Forget it and Move On, pay the man and let's leave
- jo42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1$10K? Is that all?
I've donated hardware and some $$$ worth about $3K in total personally to OpenBSD.
Try again, Mozilla Foundation. - treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2yeah it would be $4.29 as the equivalent %
Sure if they had of given $50-100k, then that would seem more reasonable - psxotaku, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Here's a thought.... everyone here who uses ssh, go to the site and buy a t-shirt.
- Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Based on the Logic of Apple should donate as their system is BSD based, so should Microsoft. This is one of those "I bet you never knew that" moments: BSD code is in the NT core.
This is basically the TCP/IP stack, and if you look closely, you will spot BSD attribution in certain apps, in the NT system dirs. - gsnedders, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@eklitzke:
Darwin, the core of OS X (which pretty much OS X without the GUI), is a BSD clone, which borrows heavily from FreeBSD. - Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've been using OpenBSD for a while now, it's really good stuff, if you like a good fix of commandline like I do, OpenBSD is great. I'm certainly gonna throw a few bucks their way. Actually, I prefer to pay for Free Software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software) than proprietary software.
- stalinvlad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1GREAT NEWS!!!!
At least someone knows a good OS when they see it - deadlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm pertty much solely Juniper-oriented now (and they *do* derive their OS from *BSD) but I'm pretty sure that there's a new version of Cisco's IOS that is based on one or other of the BSDs. Could be and and probably am wrong though...
- MisterCookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Heh, I just bought a Firefox polo shirt from the mozilla store. I'm glad to see the $35.00 I paid for it was well invested.
- lb008d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0SunSSH is based on OpenSSH.
- bergur1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0hasnt firefox made like 78 million dollars with the google/yahoo/whatever search bar + ads
- mrfollicle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2dont say "TITLE SAYS IT ALL"
that's like an unwritten rule in digg
just don't do it
its bad for the ozone or something i'm sure - elvankoshar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I LOVE MOZILLA
- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3You mean, besides supporting development of Mozilla Firefox?
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