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- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25For those who don't know, Digg is ran on Debian : )
- Llan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I really shouldn't apply the usual type-and-correct-later method to submitting. Sorry about that!
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Mark is a very smart and well spoken man.
- BillyEveryteen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Debain eh? The only distro endorsed by McBain.
- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Managing software upgrades across an diverse application base on any Windows system is a nightmare.
Any program that runs, especially those that provide any external communication (browser, instant messenger, media player, p2p, download managers, e-mail client, etc). A large number of applications these days use the net to become more aware, and to provide extra features and abilities. All of which open potential security holes.
In Linux, it is all managed for you. It just updates, with your permission of course, every single application. Security and/or regular updates - your choice.
While I'm not sure I would fully trust a Windows Application update system - if Microsoft would provide such a thing, and use public/private key pairs to allow software publishers to update MS's database so that with one click, you could see a list of all applications on your computer - and which ones had updates available.
But would you hand over your list of installed apps (daily or weekly) to MS for this feature?
Note that Edgy Eft has that option - but you have to turn it on (opt-in) so that they can build a "most popular" page and help new users find the best Linux apps. - hutchike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It's more newsworthy than all that "Digg users resigning over new Digg algorithm" crap.
- airniqueel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I think the best part about Ubuntu in general is its ease of use and the fact that most applications can be obtained through the synaptic manager. I'm still a relative newbie on Linux, but I am amazed at how smooth my transition from Windows to Linux has been. Plus I just saved a bunch of money on my computer by switching to Kubuntu :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Ubuntu not existing without Debian is not opinion, it's fact, since Ubuntu is a Debian-based distribution. The days of distributions of pure lineage to Gnu/Linux are over.
- wallclimber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Yes, I agree. He's very eloquent, indeed. Wish we had more people like him in the world.
- crexor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Usually when im selling someone on ubuntu, the ease of upgrading/updating, IE synaptic is basically the number one point i make.
- cyberrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8
Just about all parts of open source are somewhere dependent on other opensource.
This way you can start out standing on the shoulders of giants. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8While I agree with the point of your comment, namely that Ubuntu is in debt to Debian, I think you're wrong that "The days of distributions of pure lineage to Gnu/Linux are over." There are new distros all the time that are built using Linux From Scratch (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org) as a base.
- Llan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Go trolling somewhere else, we don't want you here.
- dick-richardson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I don't think he'd be bothered by your switch. Give it a shot...it's really quite good. I end up going back to Ubuntu because it starts where my Debian installs end up after about a week (configuring laptop keys, power managements, etc.).
- burnsides, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7No its not really new, but it is still important. It helps alot of people understand where ubuntu comes from. For me, a debian user, its nice to know that ubuntu's creators still view debian as important to them. To me it has felt as though they were trying to take debian away (users and developers) from the community, because of the massive amount of changes they do to debian packages. from the article I know realize that they are part of the debian system and play an important role and debian still plays an important role in ubuntu.
- tgone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Ubuntu is Debian plus more. Debian provides the foundation, and Ubuntu shapes it into something the average user can digest. Ubuntu and Debian both have their place...
- tgone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@STDOUBT
you're an idiot. - ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Actually, he's beginning to persuade me to switch from Ubuntu to Debian...
- CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The same way I use Debian Sid, and add two or three "unofficial" repositories for software that either doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines, or that I think needs to be of a newer version than what Debian has prepackaged.
However, the number of packages that are not Debian archived is miniscule compared to the vast majority of what I use every day.
Debian package management and dedication to a "working system" are second to none. - nubtard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Bottom line for me is this: Debian doesn't need ubuntu, It's the other way around."
Did you ever read the article? Mark says this a couple of times. - mjg59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6> Matthew Garrett should go work for Mark and never have a heated discussion again.
I've had the opportunity. I turned it down. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This post inspired me to upgrade to edgy... It's looking like Xgl is going to break. Oh well ;)
- dcfife, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Debain, boss! Debain!"
- JEmerson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's not argument that he's complaining about, it's flame wars. "Pointless arguments" that exist for little reason other than geek rage and, not based on actual discussion of the issues, end up hitting decisions based only on who has little enough of a life or personality to keep yelling on the internet for long enough time.
Argument is great, and any project is going to have it. But vast amounts of what I've seen coming from Debian are just personality conflicts that wind up being the equivalent of high school cliques talkin' smak bout the new girl. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Note that Edgy Eft has that option - but you have to turn it on (opt-in) so that they can build a "most popular" page and help new users find the best Linux apps."
Is this the same as Debian's "popularity contest" ? - jacks0n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yeah, the thing is most people I know don't even realise that programs are *gasp* developed, and are a work in progress. They see upgrading as a hassell, because they've associated it with security flaws (windows anyone?), rather than an extension of the original work. others don't even see the need for it. :-/
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Maybe, but not if it is something new for Edgy, since popularity-contest has been available for a long (all?) time in Ubuntu as well.
- JEmerson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From debian to edgy or another ubuntu release? XGL shouldn't have any problems moving in the latter, and the only change in the former which should be needed is, possibly, modification of the font path.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1best is pretty subjective that's what TFA was all about.
- STDOUBT, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4gee -that's what I tell them about Debian.
- spamspamspam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, but I've never tried debian, and this is my second week with Ubuntu, having
tried various other distros over the years (and being stuck with Windoze for appz and
games), and all I can say about Ubuntu is that it's the best distro, so far, that I've found
from the aspect of some Win user being able to buy or d/l a Live/install CD, try it out
a'la LiveCD, and install it if so desired, w/o knowing SQUAT about Linux, or anything
else, and having it work. Back in the day, RPM's were a b-i-g improvement over tarballs,
etc... but with Ubuntu, all the newbie has to do is figure out what sort of app s/he wants,
and it'll go get *something* appropriate, and keep it and the OS and other apps up to
date w/o having to buy the proverbial 80 lb UNIX manual.
SSS - andyperfect, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Want to make sure your shutdown and startup speeds don't slow down? Don't install gimicky programs you'll never use or only use once. Run a spyware removal tool frequently, defrag your computer on a fairly regular basis, and scan your computer for viruses frequently. All of these can be done with free, nice pieces of software.
- rodtrent, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2Is this really news?
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -16/+0i'm officially burying all stories submitted with incorrect spellings and "amazing" or "best" in the title.
- STDOUBT, on 10/12/2007, -21/+4OK... Debian is tearing itself apart and will be dead soon.
Flamewars! Omygosh!
I just put my finger on what bugs me about Shuttleworth. It's that Politically Correct, namby-pamby, don't ruffle anyones feathers crap.
So there are flamewars on Debian devel. EEEK! It's falling apart.
Matthew Garrett should go work for Mark and never have a heated discussion again.
"By contrast with Debian’s Plateau, Ubuntu is a cluster of peaks. By narrowing the focus and allowing the KDE, Gnome and server communities to leverage the base of Debian without treading on one another’s toes, we can create a K2, and a Kangchenjunga and a Lhotse." ...e-gads...
Bottom line for me is this: Debian doesn't need ubuntu, It's the other way around. And IMNTBHO, Dapper *blows* compared to Etch.
FLAMES AHOY!!!!!
~ubuntu --it's what's for dinner
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