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  • depro9, on 07/21/2008, -55/+365Nice use of gimp. lol!!!!!11
    • leejarratt, on 07/21/2008, -65/+19Nice deliberate use of pretending that you didn't mean to put a few "1"'s at the end of the short line of exclamation marks.
    • rebizzle9, on 07/21/2008, -32/+6lmao thats the first thing that came across my mind when i saw it
    • artofwar420, on 07/21/2008, -20/+7I would have used something like the Space Shuttle for linux, instead of a monster truck, it defines a higher level of complexity than the car.
      • Blandyman, on 07/21/2008, -5/+20Then what the *****'s a monster truck? 4 sticks and just bubblegum for wheels?
      • jkoski, on 07/21/2008, -5/+14Actually, they should have use a Segway for Linux
      • MrTankJump, on 07/21/2008, -3/+5The point is that Linux is much more powerful than a Windows or Mac. Segway < Car
      • mdmogren, on 07/22/2008, -0/+3uhh... i think you're missing the point buddy... monster trucks drive over and smash cars... like that one is about to do in the picture
    • rlbond86, on 07/21/2008, -31/+21This picture pisses me off. Linux != ubuntu, it's so much more than only 1 distribution. I'm sick of ubuntu people thinking that ubuntu IS Linux, as if the two are one and the same. It's just not true; there's way more than a single flavor of Linux.
      • walkertexas69, on 07/21/2008, -2/+441. Chill out.
        2. Ubuntu is Linux, but Linux is not Ubuntu.
      • upchucknorris1, on 07/21/2008, -3/+26He's right guys. A lot of people don't know Kubuntu is also Linux.
      • xombiefarts, on 07/21/2008, -1/+10welcome to digg. you must be new here. Yeah I know.
      • rlbond86, on 07/21/2008, -11/+1xombiefarts: I've been here long enough to know that my comments will be buried because of fanboyism.
      • Andrwmorph, on 07/21/2008, -4/+10Don't worry! I called whine-one-one for you! A Wahhhmbulence is on its way to take you to the waaahhhmergency room for your waahhhperation!
    • theOster, on 07/21/2008, -9/+61mac vs. pc vs. linux - the *real* truth (of course i kinda look like the linux guy... :(
      http://flickr.com/photos/17605925@N00/397920739/
    • linagee, on 07/21/2008, -15/+9The picture forgets to portray that Apple stole (I mean borrowed) the BSD kernel.
      • elmetald00d, on 07/21/2008, -4/+15built upon*
      • ferrite, on 07/21/2008, -2/+12OSX uses the BSD userland, and the XNU kernel.

        BSD's Licensing allows you to use the kernel or it's components (ergo it's not stealing), in fact parts of BSD are found in Linux and NT kernels. You can even get BSD's userland for NT based systems (XP, 2003, and Vista) as SFU/SUA
      • 4ndr3wk, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11If the kernel was stolen surely that means it was taken without permission, That's like saying ubuntu has also stolen from linux kernel
      • linagee, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1@4ndr3wk: You can download ubuntu and the linux kernel freely. Where can I download the Apple OS? I call this stolen, irregardless of whether it was legally stolen or not.
      • ferrite, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1@linagee
        opensource.apple.com
        gnu-darwin.org

        Yeah, it's the kernel and userland without the fancy GUI/Quartz layer.
        Oh yeah, it's also open (where the hell do you think the hacked kernel's for the OSX86 "distro's" come from?)
    • jemka, on 07/21/2008, -3/+32http://www.filedropper.com/macpclinuxtruthcopy -FTW
    • liquidjamm, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5lol this is great thanks!
    • dn11, on 07/21/2008, -7/+2and of course - they don't have any professional graphics tools on linux, thus the shoddy, cheesy filter appearance of Ubuntu
      • nmnnotmyname, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2:P
        I can prove you wrong. They just aren't good at using GIMP.
    • homercles337, on 07/22/2008, -8/+2No, not the truth. Stupid inaccurate pic. Buried for inaccuracy.
    • DefaultGen, on 07/22/2008, -7/+2No one uses GIMP, this was obviously made with Adobe® Photoshop® software.

      (Sorry guys. I'll advocate any open source software... but GIMP isn't Photoshop yet)
      • nmnnotmyname, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Hah! Do you realize how oblivious you are? I can do this in GIMP in 5 minutes. Better.
      • rfdparker2002, on 08/03/2008, -0/+0GIMP is free software/open source, and very advanced app, so to say no one uses it is silly, as it wouldn't exist everwise.
  • winsoft2005, on 07/21/2008, -87/+109Linux is excellent!
    (if you are not addicted to spoon feeding).
    • widgetmaker, on 07/21/2008, -65/+318Windows is excellent!
      (if you have more important things to do than use a command line)
      • theliamburns1, on 07/21/2008, -31/+66nice......

        but nowadays you don't have to use command line for linux.
      • BoneheadFarker, on 07/21/2008, -41/+21Command line? I have to use the command line in Windows more then I do on Ubuntu...
      • recruz, on 07/21/2008, -18/+73agree with "Windows is excellent"

        i don't understand what's wrong with it- never had many problems- no problems with viruses, every once in a while i get a program crash, but very rarely (and it usually has to do with whenever i'm working with video- usu. editing, and sometimes playback- but i think that's expected considering everything involved with working with it and it's probably more the file(s) than the OS if anything)

        but other than that, i think i've had maybe 3 legitimate viruses on my xp box that i've been using for the last several years- (8-9 yrs now?)

        i only formatted my xp box for the first time in 7 yrs and was running like a champ prior to ... i guess that's because I actually know how to use a computer?
      • trevah, on 07/21/2008, -10/+51What the ***** for? Still running 95?

        C:>cd games
        C:games> dir

        megaracer.exe
        scorch.exe
        qfg2.exe
        doom.exe
        ...

        C:games> scorch.exe


        That's all you ever need to enter in the cmd line ever.
      • AdamFromMyspace, on 07/21/2008, -4/+34I LOVE SCORCHED EARTH
      • HonoredMule, on 07/21/2008, -19/+9Linux is excellent!
        (If you have better things to do than dig through a GUI, or like digging through 1-5 sub-menus for everything from launching a program to finding an already open window, or like robust and stable package management with clean, thorough package removal and endless system install longevity, or enjoy expensive upgrade treadmills.)

        Windows is excellent!
        (Unless you like extra-thick everything, and don't need screen space left over for window contents after "always on" software like Pidgin have gouged out their chunk, or replacing a compact system tray with a large system tray plus 3-4 random unassociated plugins that all behave differently, or choosing between highly erratic, disorganized presentation of information and simply having the same amount of screen space swallowed by one-third the data with remaining screen space fragmented and wasted.)
      • buddyw, on 07/21/2008, -11/+3Like when you want to set file permissions in XP home and have to use cacls from THE COMMAND LINE? Also, most things I do from bash can't be done in Windows at all without installing powershell or Autoit
      • fas2, on 07/21/2008, -14/+23@recruz: If you did not format your xp box in seven years, you don't know how to use a computer.
      • ApokalypseNow, on 07/21/2008, -3/+2qfg2.exe - Quest For Glory 2?
      • Kyrato, on 07/21/2008, -3/+9@fas2. I haven't had to reformat my G3 Apple in lets see.... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 10 years.

        However I have installed X.3 Panther on it.
      • sublimemm, on 07/21/2008, -3/+7@trevah: 3 things i do daily on my work laptop

        net use - much faster than the clunky/laggy GUI for mapping a drive.
        ipconfig - much faster than opening the gui
        del - delete all files meeting pattern (*.java) from directory including sub folders (you cannot do this in the gui, must use the find and then delete the results. unless you have indexing on this can take for ever, and if there is a bunch of files, explorer will lock up and will have be terminated)
      • ephekt, on 07/21/2008, -8/+8fas2, if you frequently reformat your computer then YOU are the one who doesn't know how to use it. My 5 year old XP box is still running the same install as the day I got it, and it runs fine, BECAUSE I know how to use a computer.
      • trevah, on 07/21/2008, -2/+1@sublimemm

        I thought DOS was only for running games. I'm such a noob...

        Seriously though, Sublime 4 lyf.
      • willgonz, on 07/21/2008, -3/+10@ recruz

        If you only have just reformatted your Windows box after 7 years, then you must not be a power user. A power user who uses and runs large amounts of software will experience Windows bloat in about a year or less.


      • iChainsaw, on 07/21/2008, -4/+14@theliamburns1

        I call *****, when I first used ubuntu I had to use the command line to install *****. I think I am just an idiot, but I can't ***** use linux. I am capable of doing things, but it takes me 10 minutes to do things that should take 3 on windows.
      • recruz, on 07/21/2008, -2/+3i wouldn't consider myself a mega-power user, but i would say i'm a solid user- i've done development on it, i video edit, play games, rip, burn, torrent, play movies/videos, and i only install the apps i need-

        as the apps i don't use anymore get old i get rid of 'em- right now, since i formatted, i don't even have MS office installed- i'm using the google apps- docs, gmail (i don't need thunderbird)

        i'd say things are running just fine- and uhh, yea- any freak that's running 100 apps at the same time while using the box as a server, yea there's a chance you might run into issues- that's why i don't do that cuz i know how to use a computer, and i can tell when my computer is taking a dump- means some app is effed up using all my cpu cycles so i'll kill it so my sh*t works again
      • rchargel, on 07/21/2008, -6/+1@recruz

        Of course you haven't got any viruses on your windows box. That's so last decade. BTW, would you like me to post the PIN for your ATM card, or how about just your Social Security Number? How about the slew of other passwords grabbed by any idiot's spyware that was running on your PC for 7 years before you reformatted?

        PS: This is a joke, not a threat
      • CCmachined, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4ichainsaw: what *****? did you even try synaptic?
      • noots, on 07/21/2008, -4/+4there is nothing more satisfying than getting a piece of hardware working with linux for the first time - because once they are working, they never stop doing so without your consent.

        i've found myself spending 2 hours getting a piece of hardware running and it feels like you've actually achieved and learned something doing so. Granted it can be a pain, but i'd take it over a couple of "next" buttons any day of the week.

      • JonForTheWin, on 07/22/2008, -2/+2Yes, that's what my grandma sees every time she starts her Ubuntu machine, a command line . .
      • JonForTheWin, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1>i don't understand what's wrong with i

        Then you are stupid as *****.
      • Fergy, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Have you heard of that great new feature future windows versions will get?

        A powerful commandline that makes administrators lives easier, makes fixing pc via chat easier and makes scripting/taking control of your pc easier.
    • Roger, on 07/21/2008, -30/+84> (if you are not addicted to spoon feeding).

      I love how Linux zealots try to justify every inadequacy in the OS.
      • Myztry, on 07/21/2008, -11/+45I'm sitting here on a Vista box yet I can find no way to justify it's inadequacies...
        Billions of Dollars of Microsoft $ vs what amount to spare time for Linux Developers...
        Someones not getting value for money... And it's not just the consumer...
      • MRintheKeys, on 07/21/2008, -14/+7But that is your opinion. There are users out there that are not having any problem with Vista. However, that is detrimental to your argument.
      • quomen, on 07/21/2008, -3/+8Value for the money doesn't mean it's the best OS for everybody. And Linux is free. So it's like dividing by 0. Linux has an undefined value for the money.
      • HonoredMule, on 07/21/2008, -2/+11I'm not having any trouble with Vista. Heck, I'd even install it, were it free.

        Vista is the perfect replacement for not having (but needing) a Windows OS. But it's got virtually no merit over existing Windows installs. As an upgrade, I'd be crazy to be willing to pay more than 20 bucks.
      • directrix13, on 07/21/2008, -15/+9I love how Windows zealots deny every inadequacy in the OS. BTW, it really isn't an inadequacy with the OS if you are too stupid to learn how to use it ;-).
      • Kyrato, on 07/21/2008, -9/+6@directrix13: When Ubuntu or whatever its called gets DirectX 10.1 and equal driver support for my 9800gtx then I'll check it out.

        Oh and an easier way to port games perfectly to linux... Other than Wine... It shouldn't take me a day to compile source code in a way that doesn't crash the computer. Though I do understand that it is free an I shouldn't complain. so guess what. I don't. I just use Vista which I can complain about because it costs money.
      • directrix13, on 07/21/2008, -3/+17You are saying the inability or laziness of other coders who can't code cross-platform is an issue with Linux? DirectX 10 support isn't there because DirectX 10 is a proprietary Microsoft specific pseudo-standard. It will never be on Linux, and if you want to bitch to somebody about it bitch to Microsoft for not working at all with others. The only inadequacies in Linux are those presented by the rest of the world being too infantile to cooperate with a system that is nothing but pure progress. While proprietary land reinvents the wheel that only works on their cars for personal gain, open source software marches on to the next solution.
      • Naieve, on 07/21/2008, -5/+10@directrix13

        How dare Microsoft not give away is proprietary software that it spent money to develop to a competitor who if had it would be able to steal a large portion of their market.

        Call me when Linux becomes viable for hardcore gaming.
      • directrix13, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5@Naieve:
        Way to miss the point. Linux isn't a competitor. At some point in time the basic underpinnings upon which all computers are established should be so solidified and unchanging as to actually sell it would be considered a scam. That time is pretty much here. Desktop methodologies have not changed in quite a while. Why do you insist on defending a company that makes all its money reselling the same thing to you over and over again? At some point software should become free for the public good. And who is going to be stealing GPL'd or even LGPL'd code?
      • Kyrato, on 07/21/2008, -4/+0@directrix13: "It will never be on Linux, and if you want to bitch to somebody about it bitch to Microsoft for not working at all with others. "

        See previous comment. Kyrato: "Though I do understand that it is free an I shouldn't complain. so guess what. I don't. I just use Vista which I can complain about because it costs money."

        My friend, either you are thicker than molasses or you need some new reading glasses.
      • CCmachined, on 07/21/2008, -9/+6Linux _is_ excellent.
        oh, and the commandline is nowhere near required to use a Linux box.
        but it is useful once you get used to it. watch:

        $ sudo apt-get install kopete kolourpaint gsynaptics firefox3 w32codecs libdvdcss2 abiword gnumeric vlc k3b amsn wifi-radar blender compiz ccsm


        i just installed 15 programs with one command. try that on Vista and end up googling around for ages for apps, getting viruses etc. Epic Fail. And you paid how much for your new, shiny, slow and buggy Vista machine? Ha.

        (plus you can do the same as the command above in seconds, 15 clicks or so in the completely simple graphic program Synaptic)
      • Memitim, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Linux can be a pain in the ass sometimes but I can't deny the sheer nerd joy of installing little more than a kernel, some drivers, and apt and then getting a fully functional operating system just by typing:

        apt-get install xmms

        and answering some questions when prompted.

        Yeah, that's more of a tribute to the power of apt but nothing else compares to the ridiculous convenience of apt for managing software and I can only really enjoy that with Debian-based distros.
      • directrix13, on 07/21/2008, -1/+3@Kyrato:
        Your post was a complaint.
      • Naieve, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1@direct

        "Linux isn't a competitor."

        Yes it is.

        If Linux wasn't a competitor they would be offering to load linux dual boot with a paid for Windows partition. Instead they offer to eliminate Windows and the cost of a license by just giving people linux.

        UNIX is the competition. OSX is based of a derivation of it. Ubuntu and others are starting to make inroads in the market.

        What company gives away its trade secrets to the competition for free?

        TNSTAAFL!!!!
      • 0xception, on 07/22/2008, -1/+2@Naieve

        "If Linux wasn't a competitor they would be offering to load linux dual boot with a paid for Windows partition."

        who would offer this? linux isn't a company... And there are several companies out there (i'm sure you'll find them if you google) that offer custom setup and installs for you. But as a manufacture or retailer of computers why would you put two Operating systems on your machine when your selling it to a customer. If they really want a different OS (and here's the beautiful part) they can reinstall anything they want over the OS that comes preinstalled.

        I personally think NO operating system should be installed by default, or allow the customer to choose custom installs but ALWAY have the option (default option) to have no OS. otherwise you will inevitably end up with a situation that we are currently in. Inferior products (IMHO) being forced on the consumer creating a monopoly based on user dependence (as if it were an addictive substance) on their product...

        that in short seem to be MS's business policy and practice. Look most linux people are only so "zeolous" because they have a fairly simple and unobtrusive goal, have equal respect by hardware and software manufactures as Microsoft or OSX (in otherwords they would either like support or have companies allow the community to support their products for them). But the sad predicament is that this is not possible (as clearly stated by most of the industry) without a LARGE or at least extremely vocal user group. Once you can show to the industry that money can be had then they will move. But how do you go about moving users away from their addiction to the MS product line to the open source world? well you have to be vocal, you show every chance you get where and why the open source product is more mature, and stable, flexible and overall better then the MS version.

        but then you obviously will get blow back from all the windows addicted people (and also from those who actually genuinely support their product) who refuse to accept the inadequacies of linux (caused by lack of support from the industry), but will blindly ignore those same inadequacies in their MS product. why? so they wont be wrong i guess, makes them feel like they picked the right OS from the start (as if it were a game or some sort of mistake that people would mock you for otherwise) or they are to stubborn to just give linux a shot, try to learn it, have a little fun computing. but mostly it seems that most who try it and at the FIRST place they get confused or stuck decide it's crap because they can't understand it. as if the very first time they used windows they knew how to do everything.


        look my wife was the exact same way, REFUSED to try linux said she couldn't because she had to use photoshop or some other random piece of software, i told her to just try it... and if she had problems to ask me and i'd help her figure out where thing were... she hated the GUI of gnome and the dual panels... but after a single day she was used to it, found all the applications figure out how to install gimp (she was still worried about using gimp...but she's used to it now) she uses linux every day now for about a year she even reinstalled and upgraded to a newer version. she's not a computer geek (she's more of a fashion geek). but now when ever she see's a windows computer she's like "Wow i can't believe i used to use that". when ever her parents call for computer support she, afterwords, reflects on how much easier it's gotten, and how she never actually thinks about her computer anymore... it's a tool that just works. Does this mean linux is perfect everywhere? no of course not, but the great thing about linux is the more users there are the faster/better it gets. and this is one thing windows has not been able to do.
      • Kyrato, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1@directrix:

        Kyrato:"I just use Vista which I can complain about because it costs money."
        directrix:"if you want to bitch to somebody about it bitch to Microsoft" "
        Your post was a complaint."

        Uhh... I did, oh and yes it was.. do you have some sort of point to make?
    • drunkinbda, on 07/21/2008, -2/+14i love spoon feeding... wish i didnt have to stop
    • jabberwolf, on 07/21/2008, -7/+11You really expect me to write the complete drivers then?
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -2/+8Ironically, I've never had to download a driver for Linux. Everything has worked in Fedora7-9 without any intervention by me. The same can not be said for my XP install which required me to download drivers from a manufacturers website, copy them to a flash drive, and then install that way. Even sort of weird things like card readers and an old PCMCIA Mobile Broadband card I came across were detected and installed without even so much as a "New device detected" notification.

        Say what you will about Linux and it's drawbacks, but driver support is simply not one of them anymore with only a couple exceptions:
        1. Graphics Drivers (Especially ATI)
        2. Certain wireless Drivers

        Those are both the result of patent holders trying to maintaning closed standards. Even still, these issues are improving daily despite greedy copyright holders.
    • FatBurger, on 07/21/2008, -8/+7You mean like being spoonfed crap like this image by fellow fanboys?
    • vegr, on 07/21/2008, -7/+12Linux is excellent!
      (if you don't what to be told what to do and not do).

    • strangewill, on 07/21/2008, -7/+18So, I can only use Linux in a dirt area in front of a bunch of rednecks, while I can use either cars on actual roads?
      • CCmachined, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5more like riding a bike. bikes can run on roads, but badly and dengerously. cycle tracks are rare but exist. why? because bikers are a minority. the local council, govt etc serves for the majority and ***** over the minority. thats how life works, pretty much.

        oh and in that analogy bikes are faster, use less fuel and stuff like that.
      • kcap122, on 07/21/2008, -1/+7Also, much like a bicycle compared to a car, actually trying to get anywhere in linux will take at least five times as long as doing it in windows.
      • 0xception, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1sounds like a challange... lets test that

        here's your mission: install a sudoku game

        i'll go first,
        1) Click System->Admin->Add/Remove Applications
        2) Search "sudoku"
        3) Click gnome-sudoku package
        4) Click install
        5) Play the game.

        now can you seriously do that faster in windows (if you truethfully name each and every step?) look this is an obvious example, and some things windows can do faster and better, most of those are due to the lack of the industry treating linux as an equal (and thus what pisses off and creates the linux zealots) but seriousy your perception of linux is either out dated or from that of a linux new comer (and any new comer to any OS or Computer would be slow)
      • heavyal, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Not a Linux hater here (my primary home desktop runs Ubuntu among other machines), but that kind of a test (by 0xception) only shows that there are mediocre options available for Linux users. If you take it from the other direction, perhaps someone wants to install a '3d version of Sudoku' (google it, they are out there), your choice of platform is limited to Windows for support of such an application. Sure, you could fire up WINE and muck through the process of running the install and then mess around with overrides and maybe eventually get the app to run, but in Windows all you'd need to do is click your installer and not have to worry about any of this (system requirements should of course be taken into consideration regardless of os).

        So sure, there are multitudes of applications that can be installed and run easily on Linux, especially if you run a Debian based distro where apt is available. But that doesn't qualify the applications available on Linux as better than those available on Windows.
      • 0xception, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1yes and that was my point... Some things are faster/better and others arn't... however the lack of available software, drivers, and support from manufactures can all be tracked down to the simple lack of a user base before those people add linux support. So it's a catch 22... one of the sides have to break first before it before it gets much better. :) all that's left as an option is to try and convinces people to break first as it seems cooperation, software dev companies and the likes wont go first.
    • eriksanerd, on 07/21/2008, -3/+58Linux is excellent!(If you like it and it works for you. If not, that's cool. I don't feel like I need to degrade those who don't do things exactly like me.)
      • rudeboyskunk, on 07/21/2008, -0/+14I'm glad somebody said it.
      • twiztidsinz, on 07/21/2008, -1/+31He's using logical and independent thought!
        Quick... BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!
      • nicpedersen, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7A witch! A witch!
      • TalkingBanana, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10He turned me into a newt!
      • samthurston, on 07/22/2008, -0/+4what? I got better!

        What is the deal with people who have time to be religious about their operating systems? it's not like any of them are good enough to be worth it.

        When i can verbally tell my computer what to do, and it does a good enough job that i don't have to try to tell it in a different way, then i will get zealous about my OS, and not until.
    • Tyrghast, on 07/21/2008, -10/+3Yeah linux is great, especially when my friend (who is a computer science major who has been programming for years) switches back over to linux yesterday for like the 8th time and this time he can't manage to get anything to work, from ventrilo to TF2.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10Linux is not for Ventrilo or TF2.

        That's like buying a waffle iron and complaining that it makes rotten pancakes.

        Tell your friend to save himself a lot of pain and just duel-boot.
      • carlosos, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2So Linux is great because it doesn't run windows software so well?!? That must mean that a OSX is even better because it can't even run windows software at all?
    • foofiejnooner, on 07/21/2008, -6/+6Linux is Excellent!!

      If you want to look down on people for using the OS their computer came with.
    • addicted68098, on 07/21/2008, -2/+4Since I started using linux I am amazed at how much faster it is to manage files through a command line.
    • Chewie67, on 07/21/2008, -6/+8Oh come on, let's be honest.

      Linux should be that bicycle that you lay down to ride and have to ride yourself. You may be proud that you use it, and it might be far more efficient than any other bike, but you still look like a dork for using it.
      • SpyDerMann, on 07/22/2008, -1/+2I see your reputation is more important than your productivity and security.
    • vat0r, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2Ubuntu's like a military MRE.
    • simpleid, on 07/22/2008, -0/+4i am sick of this ***** operating system battle *****, you're all ***** insane and don't even grasp wtf is up.

      all these systems have their place in society, that's why they all obviouslty exist. i use windows and linux, and told my sister to get a mac,

      ***** all of this ***** you people create.
    • heucuva, on 07/22/2008, -2/+2Linux is excellent!!!

      ... but FreeBSD is still better.
    • peestandingup, on 07/22/2008, -1/+2Linux is excellent!

      (If you wanna work for your OS instead of your OS working for you).
    • BlackCow, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1I dunno the synaptic package manager has been spoon feeding me lately.
  • Vinceres, on 07/21/2008, -44/+32VRROOOOM!
  • Gneisbaard, on 07/21/2008, -119/+1317Also note that the mac guy is unable to access the engine, if anything goes wrong. AND he looks like a douche.
    • macwisdom, on 07/21/2008, -522/+14 Hey Gneisbaard I'm a "mac guy" I bech 350lbs and I work in a data center as a an admin. How about you go suck on a douche
      • Gneisbaard, on 07/21/2008, -7/+305No offence intended. happy beching!
      • Vinceres, on 07/21/2008, -3/+273I think macwisdom meant he can "belch" 350psi.
      • Albo23, on 07/21/2008, -4/+299Five bucks says you bench 100lbs and you wear Abercrombie to fit in. And no I don't want to see your Myspace.
      • bratterscain, on 07/21/2008, -2/+279Way to disprove the mac douche stereotype.
      • leetninja, on 07/21/2008, -3/+153lol @macwisdom Digg's newest and biggest tool yet :)
      • blackeagle613, on 07/21/2008, -1/+152So you can almost bench your body weight?
      • Elranzer, on 07/21/2008, -5/+63Big tools have small tools. Ironic?
      • rex84, on 07/21/2008, -5/+36"How about you go suck on a douche"
        So, you want a blow job from Gneisbaard?
      • da_bradler, on 07/21/2008, -0/+141why hello internet tough guy I see you now come in mac flavoring.
      • GassyTurd, on 07/21/2008, -0/+34God damn you guys crack me up. This computer war is very entertaining, at least.
      • 0tis, on 07/21/2008, -3/+17As opposed to standard Digg flavouring? Stop flocking round this guy, you're only feeding the moron. I mean troll.
      • edwartica, on 07/21/2008, -19/+6My thoughts exactly. My ipod died today, and I had to search through mounds of articles, product manuals, forums, and the like (all asking "did you try the 5 rs?) just to figure out that I've got a hard drive crash. If it had been a windows based machine, I could of taken it apart and looked at it, or even just listened to it to know that!
      • awtripp, on 07/21/2008, -0/+91Liar, your wife is only like 315.
      • IanPR, on 07/21/2008, -4/+8And he runs XP on it no doubt :P
      • Cougnut415, on 07/21/2008, -0/+45Is that how you introduce yourself to people? Let them know how much you can bench and that you work as a data center admin? I bet you don't have any friends.

        Do you live in the data center as well? You come off as socially retarded. I'm not going to even go off on how much I hate the "appeal" of macs and their fanatics (I actually do like certain things about macs), but I will end my comment with this: Who the ***** says "go suck on a douche"?
      • YancyFryJr, on 07/21/2008, -1/+31Hey broski! Two Heinekens!
      • brainboy77, on 07/21/2008, -8/+1you bench press 350 yet you work as an "a" admin at a data center. also, if it's possible, why would anyone in the world suck a douche. i'm pretty sure those are dangerous chemicals that could seriously damage your intestines, your kidneys, and many other organs.

        /sarc
      • tikiman453, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6@edwartica.
        um...off-topic much?
      • Comms, on 07/21/2008, -1/+4So ***** what?
      • baconz, on 07/21/2008, -2/+5I'm making this into a t-shirt!! lol!
      • notthatnoise, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9nice haircut
      • passedoutghost, on 07/22/2008, -1/+6PRRROOOOTEEEEIIIINNNN!!

        On another note, I've never seen someone get dugg down so much before. You must be a big douche.
      • jmreid, on 07/22/2008, -1/+7jäger bombs, jäger bombs, jäger bombs
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      • booshack, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2It's a facepalm?
      • nmnnotmyname, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1For the people reading it, it's one of the biggest face palms in a while.
    • NGliam, on 07/21/2008, -21/+276LOL. You sound like a douche.

      Edit: Meant to reply to macwisdom.
    • Shiftgood, on 07/21/2008, -39/+9You sound insecure.
      • edwartica, on 07/21/2008, -1/+31And you sound like you have a small dick.
    • ulmedas, on 07/21/2008, -27/+69A lot of folks have an inaccurate idea of how the mac OS works. It is based on the Mach kernel and BSD, which forces them to leave it fairly open.

      Yah, apple's hardware is sometimes stupidly closed off, but it's software is much more open than Windows, but simple enough for folks who do not have the time to learn command line based computing to get to work.
      • vegr, on 07/21/2008, -1/+15I don't quite know about Mach, but BSD definitely doesn't force them to open at all, it's Apple's choice.
      • ExRe, on 07/21/2008, -19/+44How is their software more open than Windows?

        I can't run it (easily) on anything other than Apple built desktops/laptops. Windows can run on practically anything.

        Or you forget how they locked out developing for the iPhone? Even went so far as to brick iPhones on updates to users who had unlocked them.

        I don't think I'd ever say Apple software is "open".
      • ulmedas, on 07/21/2008, -16/+5@ExRe: You are free to build your own machine that runs apple software. The reason you can run Windows on most PC compatible machines is that they are built to run windows.

        Plenty of folks have gotten Mac OS X running other intel machines:
        http://www.pcworld.com/article/122207/pirated_vers ...
        for some examples.

        I am not talking about other products, I am talking about the thing that is comparable, that is the operating systems. Not other devices.

        @vegr: Though I am not precisely sure of the legal requirements, Darwin was build from several open source projects including FreeBSD. As such, I am fairly certain that Apple has some obligation to publish parts of the code which are derived from those projects. Regardless of whether or not I am correct, Apple, inc. did release the Darwin core under a license which the Free Software Foundation (FSF) approved as a free software license.
      • ADINSX, on 07/21/2008, -2/+28@ulmedasulmedas:

        1. You may want to reread the BSD license. Apple does NOT have to keep their modifications open, and they don't (at least not anymore). The BSD license is NOT copyleft like the GPL, so Apple is not required to publish their modifications.

        2. Apple does NOT allow people to put their software on third-party hardware. The OSX EULA states clearly that putting the OS on non-Apple-branded hardware is a license violation, and they have recently begun to sue people over it (see: Psystar).

        Apple is not even a remotely open company, other than the fact that they leech off of open-source projects.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -2/+14"The reason you can run Windows on most PC compatible machines is that they are built to run windows."

        Google the term "IBM Compatible."

        Computers aren't built to run Windows. Windows is built to run on computers. That is to say "IBM Compatible" computers. It's what made the success of the Windows OS possible in the first place.

        OSX is not designed for anything but specific Mac hardware. That comes with it's drawbacks and advantages, but mostly it means OSX runs fantastic on Apple stuff and like trash on everything else.
      • ruddy, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Apple isn't MORE open. They just USE open source, they're not releasing their source... If i give you some binaries does it matter what source I used if I don't release it? no...
      • Culyt, on 07/21/2008, -0/+2So I guess I can recompile an OSX kernel then?

        No

        Because the OSX kernel is closed, its the Darwin kernel thats open, which lacks all the important bits.
      • Ovalteen, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1OS X running on only Apple hardware is nothing more than Apple's answer to copy protection. Even if you do install one copy of OS X on a hundred computers, Apple is still getting a cut from the hardware so they don't care. It doesn't make OS X less open any more than WGA and activation make Windows less open because you can only run your copy of XP on one machine.

        In any case, both of those features (WGA and Apple's lockin) pertain to flexibility, not openness. The existence of such features in an open source operating system wouldn't make it any less open, as you'd still be able to remove them and compile your own build. If you took those features out of Windows or OS X, it wouldn't suddenly be open for you to tinker with, but it would be more flexible.
    • NLS87, on 07/21/2008, -28/+9What???

      You can even look through the Mac's kernel, and build your own kernel on your system and use it.

      Windows doesn't even comes close.

      Also, Mac's don't broke.
      • Gneisbaard, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11Macs broke alright. Buy one, and you're broke.

        But you are right. MacOS is much better than windows in most aspects. (not that i've ever used it, for the mac fanboys have antagonized me good and proper).
      • NexusV2, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9Macs may not break (which I'm sure they do every now and then).

        But it looks like your English skills have broken.
    • sheepster, on 07/21/2008, -6/+141I hate how everybody compares mac to windows - like microsoft has something to do with ***** pc configurations. Mac is hardware + software, MS is only software.
      • coyote1284, on 07/21/2008, -2/+78I hate "Mac vs. PC". Any computer meant for personal use, by it's very definition *is* a PC, irrespective of the operating system installed.
      • ADINSX, on 07/21/2008, -29/+9@coyote1284:
        "PC" refers to "IBM compatible PC". Learn some computer history.
      • edwartica, on 07/21/2008, -13/+3That's what she said.
      • Smitty93, on 07/21/2008, -1/+28@ADINSX, so "PC" refers to "IBM compatible PC."

        How can a definition of a term have itself in its own definition?

        Granted that PC is now used mainly in reference to a Windows machine, but PC itself stands for personal computer. And just because people misuse it now a days and make false claims about knowing computer history, doesn't make it fact.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -3/+8@ADINSX: Nice arguement, but since Apple moved to the Intel framework their hardware can now be considered "IBM Compatible." There is not difference anymore. In 1999 you may have been able to make a case, but PPC Macs are (thankfully) a distant memory for the most part.
      • awhiteflame, on 07/21/2008, -6/+6@Smitty93:
        If I make a robot which will stand behind a desk, talk to clients and perform banking operations, I have made, literally, an automated teller machine. But I have not made what we call and recognise as an "ATM". I think we can all agree on this.

        Just because "PC" literally initialises "Personal Computer" does not mean that it can't have a very specific meaning in real usage, and come from a longer variant (e.g., "IBM Compatible PC").
      • zzz@tkz, on 07/21/2008, -1/+9@Smitty the same way that PHP stands for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor :o?
      • tnoy, on 07/22/2008, -1/+4@Smitty93 "How can a definition of a term have itself in its own definition?"

        Don't ask the GNU team that.
      • rocksouljah, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1PC = personal computer, and has always encompassed macs in that.
        Edit: nevermind about the ibm crap
    • FutureGuy, on 07/21/2008, -12/+32And Linux is a toy?
      • fracaso089, on 07/21/2008, -0/+16no its a game. THE WORST GAME EVER!!!!
      • Monkeydew06, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1its a game. THE WORST GAME
    • greatone172, on 07/21/2008, -12/+0Nice one!
    • chaoswings, on 07/21/2008, -6/+239Notice how the fight is supposed to be "Mac VS PC" according to the title and Linux comes out of nowhere uninvited and with the wrong type of vehicle?
      • vegr, on 07/21/2008, -11/+29Linux runs on Macs and PCs. It also runs on cellphones, watches, mainframes and TVs.
      • mariecordona, on 07/21/2008, -12/+11That's because it's a repost of this from a couple of days ago: http://digg.com/apple/Mac_VS_Pc_n_The_truth_illust ...
      • jbennett83, on 07/21/2008, -2/+53Yea, this is Linux being "That Guy" who out of nowhere claims you said something about his mother and now wants to kick everyone's ass. This temporarily makes both the Mac and Windows guys forget they hate each other, and say to one another WTF ?
      • edwartica, on 07/21/2008, -3/+27@veger. Pretty soon, Linux will run on pants! Digital pants, ACTIVATE!
      • megamod, on 07/21/2008, -10/+5wrong type of vehicle? it's the perfect vehicle to chase and demolish both Mac and PC
      • rudeboyskunk, on 07/21/2008, -7/+4@edwartica...not to sound like one of those know-it-all douchebags, but this isn't far from the truth. if i can find the article, i'll post it...
    • uselessexpert, on 07/21/2008, -31/+55Don't a lot of Mac users look like douches?
      • ubergeek09, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1I'm a Mac user and I Dugg you, so many Mac users are douches.. It is a fact.
    • coyote1284, on 07/21/2008, -2/+17Windows car should have looked like it was made up of many different cars. It's true for both the OS and the hardware it runs on.
      • tecunx, on 07/21/2008, -2/+8True, or it could look like a Ford Pinto with a jet engine.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4It's true of all OSes and all PC hardware. Even most Macs contain parts from several different countries and manufacturers. A well planned and strictly maintained mosaic of parts, maybe, but a mosaic still.

        Windows had parts of old Windows versions in it. OSX has parts of NeXT and BSD. Linux is mostly a mesh of GNU apps, a variety of Desktop environments, and a consistent kernel.
    • tao52nyc, on 07/21/2008, -23/+13Why is anybody feeding the troll? Anybody who actually knows something about Macs knows you can get under the hood as deep as you want to "when something goes wrong"...of course, that doesn't happen as often with Macs... ;^)

      (NOW who's the troll??? LOLOL)
    • Nickdotnet, on 07/21/2008, -21/+20I think the douche is the one who doesn't know how to get under the hood.

      I'd rather have a clean engine that I can get into as opposed to a wrecked engine I'm always fighting with.

      My mac doesn't intimidate me...
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -3/+15Windows is only a "wrecked engine" when you wreck it. Much like a real car. If you don't change the oil and check coolant regularly you should expect some problems.
      • notthatnoise, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11exactly, it can't intimidate you, they don't let you know what its hiding under the hood.
      • JenovaWitness77, on 07/22/2008, -0/+0Enough with the car metaphors, I'm getting confused. It's like I did to many doughnuts and got dizzy and...dammit! Now I'm doing them too!
      • Nickdotnet, on 07/22/2008, -2/+1I know exactly whats under the hood - I take the time to figure it out - and be certified in it. It's just scary for all you windows users cuz you're use to undoing one wingnut and having your ATX case fall apart in your lap. Apparently thats the definition of easy access....but thats ok. Go play with your glowing IDE cables and neon fans....
      • MooNinja, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2We'll play with our extra 1k of cash too. OH, and all of our games that actually run with out needing to jump through hoops to do so.
    • wacked, on 07/21/2008, -19/+10What a total load of bollocks! What the heck do you think is under the hood of a MAC! it's friggin' unix, and you obviously know nothing about MACs.

      • Kucher, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Care to explain then what MAC stands for?
      • elmetald00d, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3hahaha

        Darwin =! Unix

        you obviously know nothing about anything.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -1/+2Unix =/= OSX

        BSD -> NeXT -> OSX

        BSD =/= Unix
    • IJstickI, on 07/21/2008, -9/+4brilliant.
    • MavRevMatt, on 07/21/2008, -9/+40I hate how people say "but Mac's are Unix based and that makes it open and good" when they're the douches paying for Unix. Who's the dumbass now?
      • merreborn, on 07/21/2008, -8/+12Show me a free distro that's half as easy to use.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/21/2008, -4/+22@merreborn

        http://www.ubuntu.com/

        What do I win?
      • carlosos, on 07/21/2008, -1/+2merreborn, did you ever try SuSE Linux? I can't think of anything easier than that but I heard that Ubunto is also supposed to be easy to use.
        If you want to install something than you just select in a menu the software you want (that automatically gets updated), or you click on a link in the browser that starts the download and installs the software, or you download the installer or if you have some special beta software that you really need to have than you use the source code and type "./configure" "make" "make install".
        I'm not sure about the Mac but I believe like Windows it doesn't have the first two choices that I mentioned which are the easiest ones.

        After installing it works pretty much like any other OS with double or single click to start the software and clicking on the X to close it. Sounds easy to me...
      • AngelBunny, on 07/22/2008, -1/+3@carlosos: osx has both of those options as well as a couple of others. I could be wrong but I think osx has the most ways to install something because of its unixness.

        install from source:
        1) normal ./configure make sudo make install
        2) port install
        3) using gcc directly.

        from binary:
        1) double click on the binary and it works. rarely does it need to be installed like windows programs.
        2) drag program to applications folder then double click on it.
        3) run an installer. this is rare and is only for bigger things like xcode, ms office, ....
        There are a couple of others ways too. Compiling from source it is near identical to most linux distros. Binary (more common) is easier because there is no installation required.

        and now you know ;)
    • RadioFreeOpium, on 07/21/2008, -9/+2presumably clever (but not really) anti-mac comment = most diggs

      why do you care? you have your own computer. stop bitching about mine.
    • Gravey9, on 07/21/2008, -10/+3but nothing will go wrong in that engine ;)
    • daridave, on 07/21/2008, -8/+13also, last time I checked, my PC is WAYYYY faster than anything Apple out there. So the PC might be messy, but it should be a F1 car.
      • KennMac, on 07/21/2008, -13/+7I'm not a fanboy of anything, but how do you figure? Last time I checked, Mac's have some pretty impressive hardware specs.

        So you slapped a turbo on your old Civic... It's still a Civic.
      • Lewiji, on 07/21/2008, -15/+3By "faster", do you mean "can run boring 3D games with over zealous bloom effects at higher frame rates"? Because that's not really a valid test of a computer's power.
      • JasonHaley, on 07/22/2008, -0/+3Kennmac and Lewji, I think by "faster" he means just faster.

        Did you not read last week's new?: http://www.pcworld.ca/news/article/9bce4ef20a01040 ...
      • mrcabnit, on 07/22/2008, -0/+4"boring 3D games" as opposed to what, bugdom?
      • DIAF, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2Wow he is the owner of the super computer! Lucky!
      • JasonHaley, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Yes, the title of the article is about supercomputers. But if you read the whole post you'll see that it will apply to everything from PS3s to laptops from Toshiba and IBM... (No where does it mention Apple).
        In layman terms this means that not only are PCs the fastest comps now, but they'll stay the fastest for the next few years.
    • stayputnik, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5but a very satisfied douche...
    • lr4life, on 07/21/2008, -6/+2Ha! I totally agree! I still like Windows though.
      I know, I am one of the outcasts in the Digg community.
    • ZenMojo, on 07/21/2008, -3/+3And then someone flips the on switch and drives off with his car. (See: Safari.)
    • MalDON, on 07/22/2008, -3/+3As a mac user, I have to say that it's not always as easy as on or off.
    • nathanww, on 07/22/2008, -1/+2Nope, he just has to open that panel up and he can get at all of the systems, like in the PC car, but without all the tangled nastyness
    • 1randomguyO8, on 07/22/2008, -5/+3lol I logged in just to digg you up
    • Soragon, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/software/Mac_vs_PC_The_ACTUAL_REAL ...
    • AngelBunny, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2since the 'engine' in OSX and linux are near identical does that make a severely under powered monster truck or does it make an over powered car? (or both?)

      for the overall user the only difference between OSX and linux is the gui. I'm in terminal on my macbook pro day in and day out and honestly I can't tell the difference between it and, lets say, debian. Heck, even the programs use the same system calls.
      • JasonHaley, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2If the only difference is the GUI then why would you pay several hundreds more for something you can download for free?
    • digjam, on 07/22/2008, -3/+2AND YOU FORGOT...MAC IS IN A WAY UNIX...WITH A NICE BODY AFTER ALL
      • ubergeek09, on 07/22/2008, -0/+4Caps Lock is contrary to popular belief, not cruise control for cool.
      • AngelBunny, on 07/26/2008, -0/+21) turn off the caps
        2) it is OSX not 'mac'
        3) with 10.5.1 and up OSX is 100% unix compatible and not through emulation. In other words, osx is NOT _in a way_ unix. It is unix.
  • YodaJones, on 07/21/2008, -147/+25Linux is totally better than Mac or Windows. But leave it to some dumbass American to pervert it with a stupid ass monster truck.

    Please don't associate Linux with the American red states.
    • BoonTobias, on 07/21/2008, -3/+19wtf dude ysosrs?
    • StormyAaron, on 07/21/2008, -1/+14If it was from the "red states" as you claim why the heck would they use a truck that is colored like the Mexican Flag?
      • GassyTurd, on 07/21/2008, -0/+12Linux is Mexican? Is the truck jumping over the border?
    • bratterscain, on 07/21/2008, -2/+22Since when were big trucks associated with America's red states? Or are you taking us for a ride on the trollercoaster?
    • coyote1284, on 07/21/2008, -4/+15Anyone with half a brain would have seen the monster truck as symbolizing how powerful Linux is, not putting it down as "the redneck OS". You are part of the cancer that is partisanship, keeping us from working together on real issues that affect us all, because of your prejudices against people who do not step in line with you ideologies.
    • Kyrato, on 07/21/2008, -4/+5Dude. stfu.
    • floppytaco, on 07/21/2008, -3/+8Have you ever driven or seen a monster truck in person? If you had you would know how freaking powerful they are and that this comparison was meant to be complimentary. Don't be such a douche, okay?
    • Mandegar0, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5You do realize that you ARE a 'dumbass american' right?
      • boombye, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2Never a short supply of morons in California.
    • utinam, on 07/22/2008, -0/+0And please don't associate the states that happen to be red because most of the people there VOTE red with dumbasses like yourself.
  • macwisdom, on 07/21/2008, -61/+42The mac OSX is unix based so you still have access to the "nuts and bolts" via command line if you are unix literate, the Mac just works, hence Apple's move up to #3 in US for computer makers.
    • Abomonog, on 07/21/2008, -11/+26With a 60% fall behind from number 2. #3 ain't worth ***** if number 1 and 2 occupy %70 of the market.
      • DanBoodro, on 07/21/2008, -2/+7Whats #2?
      • MacEnvy, on 07/21/2008, -3/+4It's been a few months since I've looked, but your numbers aren't even CLOSE to accurate. You may be confusing OS market share with hardware manufacturers.
      • waterdrop, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10@DanBoodro

        #1 and #2 is HP and Dell. HP is #1 worldwide, Dell is #1 in the US.
      • DanBoodro, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6Thank you
    • Bravesguy18, on 07/21/2008, -2/+10The Green Party of US computer "makers".
    • MeThePeople, on 07/21/2008, -20/+7macs just works. must be why they have a genius bar.
    • YoureAllSoDumb, on 07/21/2008, -9/+26It just "works?"

      www.macfixit.com/
      • elmetald00d, on 07/21/2008, -3/+2should I even begin to list Windows or Linux tech help sites?
      • DforSpiD, on 07/22/2008, -0/+4elmetald00d.
        no one's claiming that Windows or Linux just work, so there is really no need
      • TheFinaleofSeem, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Just works is not referring to never breaking, you idiot. It's more a reference to most commodity devices not needing drivers. No waiting for the annoying taskbar popups to tell you it's ready, etc. It's an exaggeration, but you get the point. Saying it "just works" means "it wont break" only makes you look like an idiot. But this is Digg, so idiocy is usually the norm...
    • smoger, on 07/21/2008, -7/+19so my macbook's power cord was SUPPOSED to melt ? well hot damn.
      • dynamojoe, on 07/21/2008, -2/+12Yes, I can see how Linux would have helped in your situation.
      • Ford_Prefect2nd, on 07/21/2008, -0/+10Mac makes hardware and software, if they are going to get cred for both, they have to take hits for both.
    • jabberwolf, on 07/21/2008, -9/+8Why bother with OSX then?
      It's simply Linux (really Berkley OS) locked down to a particular hardware vendor.
      They will never allow it to be virtualized, thus its on its way out in about 4 years... 1-2 year completely out of networks.



      • eddieroger, on 07/21/2008, -1/+4They already have allowed it to be virtualized, and MediaTemple is publicly beta testing Leopard Server virtualized through VMware.
      • thallenthur, on 07/21/2008, -1/+4Well, it's not Linux, it's Mach kernel with BSD extensions which makes it closer to the original Unix. Linux is just an implementation of the POSIX standards.
      • klaas4, on 07/21/2008, -8/+0Why bother? Because Mac OS X is much more user-friendly than Linux. We have more user-friendly software than Linux and Windows, and they all work together. (iLife)

        That's why!
      • ksgant, on 07/21/2008, -0/+6Ah...where have I heard the old "it's on it's way out" before. Oh yes, people for the past 20 years saying how Apple is dying and won't last and this is the nail in the coffin and blah blah blah.

        I personally build my own computers and use Linux, but I'll never deny how much Apple has gotten right. Yes, they've gotten a lot of things wrong...but show me one company that's been around for a while that hasn't. I also am amused that for so long the windowing themes for the different managers in Linux had so many "Aqua" themes....many of them the most popular. Granted, more mature Linux-native themes have come along now, but it was pretty funny for a while hearing Linux fans bashing Apple and OS X, yet trying so hard to get them to work and feel just like OS X.

        I've been into computers since 1979, and in all that time I've still never fathomed the computer vs computer or "OS war" mentality. Who cares?
      • pplude92, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3Not completely true. The new OSX 10.6 adds ZFS support. This is a great FS for a hypervisor. I think that OSX will make the transition very smoothly to a virtualized OS
      • TheFinaleofSeem, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1UNIX (BSD included) is NOT Linux. They're similar, but not the same thing. And it's on it's way out because it's not open and virtualizable? Completely out of networks? You're a bloody toolbag.
      • unitedatheism, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Because you'll then be allowed to irritate all your friends about your style and coolness.
        All except gay and metrosexual ones in fact.
    • FutureGuy, on 07/21/2008, -1/+7It does, as long as you don't try to install applications on it
      http://digg.com/apple/Dude_iPhone_2_0_software_is_ ...
      (iPhone is supposed to run OSX as per Apple)
    • dnields, on 07/21/2008, -1/+12Buried for using the lame-ass "it just works" mantra.

      I use Macs and have for over 22 years. Look past the RDF, fanboy and realize it's just a computer.
      It can break or get ***** up like any computer can.
    • Papajohn56, on 07/21/2008, -5/+2What's Linux's userbase in the USA for consumers? Oh that's right, less than 1%
  • wontstoptalking, on 07/21/2008, -35/+12Aaaah, re(vamped) submissions are the best. Somehow, taking something that hit the front page (Acer FTW!) and noticing something about it, and then resubmitting it (Pen and Paper FTW!) makes it so much better.
    • caseycoold, on 07/21/2008, -1/+2Too many "FTW"s on the comment.
      Yellow Card.
  • wontstoptalking, on 07/21/2008, -43/+16Wait, you want to recognize Linux, so you use Ubuntu?

    Fail.
    • rudeboyskunk, on 07/21/2008, -1/+23I think that's why he made sure to put the gigantic penguin in the background, in case anybody got confused.
  • arbiterxero, on 07/21/2008, -25/+251Shouldn't Linux Be a transformer of sorts?

    Some sort of Dino-Bot I imagine...
    • GOVATENT, on 07/21/2008, -4/+47That's funny. It will be a car that transforms into Tux. It will be called.... Tuxzilla.
    • chicken101, on 07/21/2008, -7/+7It should be a badass robotic linus torvalds.
    • mwalker05, on 07/21/2008, -2/+6me Grimlock. me King.
    • gasin, on 07/21/2008, -2/+4and it has to be something that is not a nasty gas guzzler! More like a solar powered hybrid :)
      • codeblue315, on 07/21/2008, -1/+4That kinda goes along the same principle as a Mac. Most hybrid owners (at least the ones I know) are very full of themselves, much like a Mac fanboy.
    • lex0nyc, on 07/21/2008, -1/+17They're robots in disguise. How do you know it's NOT a Transformer?
    • ChadFM, on 07/21/2008, -3/+50I think this is a better representation.

      http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4994/winmaclinc ...
      • richiewrt, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1But is that Delorian going forward, or back in time?
      • 1randomguyO8, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2thats awesome
      • BlackJackJester, on 07/22/2008, -0/+3I completely agree. Linux is 100% Delorian. Gall wings included.
      • Vich, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2It has strong roots in the past, has been around for ages and is working towards the future, a fitting metaphor.
    • lgh0s7l, on 07/21/2008, -6/+1dont you guys know a decepticon when you see one?
    • joelav22, on 07/21/2008, -3/+4Raptor Jesus. Done
    • A11YND, on 07/21/2008, -1/+1If Linux is a Transformer, wouldn't that make Windows and PCs for that matter Voltron as its made up of different varying components?
      • Matri, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1You never heard of Bruticus, Devastator, Superion or Defensor, to name a few?
      • Vich, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1PCs are transformers since you can change the parts, it's just an autobot or decepticon based on what OS you're using (windows/linux).

        If you're using a mac, it's a really pretty shiny toy transformer with really cool parts, but no matter how cool it looks it's still a toy: you can't change the parts easily and if it breaks you have to pay mattel a truckload of money to replace the part that broke.
      • A11YND, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1I was just saying, you know. Plus, I was more of a Voltron kid never really got into the Transformers.
  • NaziHatinChimp, on 07/21/2008, -11/+3Zing!
  • clak, on 07/21/2008, -42/+27This is the perfect example of how the Linux users always feel left out, even with link baiting fanboy illustrations. You guys are almost as bad as Canadians.
  • LimeParrot, on 07/21/2008, -9/+323That's... a big penguin.
  • doctorfungi, on 07/21/2008, -94/+441You see the PC car and the monster truck can be opened, customized, upgraded, and fixed at the leisure of the user. They're cheaper to run the same parts at the same performance, and they can and often do look better if you want them to. Only difference is that the dash, steering wheel and peddles are different. That and the Mac car probably has cum stains all over the windscreen from the circle jerk at the Mac fan club the night before.
    • PabloMac, on 07/21/2008, -19/+5Peddles?
    • dvsbstrd, on 07/21/2008, -8/+91Yeah, well, um THE MAC CAR HAS A GLOWING APPLE YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID!

      Damn, I got nothin'.
    • voodoomurphy, on 07/21/2008, -42/+32Seriously, what year is it in your little world?

      Macs use the SAME HARDWARE as a windows based PC. My G4 tower has 2 500 gig IDE drives I purchased at Frys, 2 gigs of RAM I ordered from New Egg, a video card I got at CompUSA and a monitor I bought at Frys. I use a Microsoft wireless mouse as well.

      Any other incorrect assumptions you want to make or should you just start shutting the f**** up right now?
      • belumaves, on 07/21/2008, -5/+13mm... G4 processor. I rest my case :)
      • blackeagle613, on 07/21/2008, -1/+31****** ???
        what is the last star?
      • spritom, on 07/21/2008, -9/+25What? Using non-certified/christened Apple hardware?

        A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! Burn her! A witch! A witch!
      • da_bradler, on 07/21/2008, -4/+29True now Macs use the same hardware but charge twice as much.
      • vegr, on 07/21/2008, -10/+4But if Apple didn't sell it, you can't run Mac software on it...
      • bbqsalad, on 07/21/2008, -2/+28how many options do you have for video? Wanna upgrade your cpu? too bad. Mobo dies? Better call apple and break out that credit card! Apple does thing different just to be different. Half of the ***** they do makes no logical sense in terms of useablility and their prices are outragous. Now before you get all pissy understand I own a mac.
      • iNezy13, on 07/21/2008, -5/+7@vegr

        actually that's not true...i am running a Newegg hard drive and memory stick on an iBook g4 right now.

        this whole mac/pc thing is getting out of hand. each has their own benefits....linux too. so why can't people shut the ***** up about it now??
      • DelumenJose, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4So why don't you just buy all PC parts instead of having to buy them all at different places or making sure they run with mac?
      • OneStepAhead, on 07/21/2008, -2/+5lol a newegg hard drive hey... didnt realize newegg was making hardware now. the fact is you have way more options with a PC then you ever will on a Mac (hardware and software). When I can start custom building my own mac without using some hack where i need a dongle or 1 specific mobo, Ill consider it. If Apple was as cool as you all say it is they would let you run OSx on whatever computer you want instead of some overpriced iComputer. Im sure its quite easy to get your OS to run stable when you are dealing with such limited hardware availability.
      • tocsy, on 07/22/2008, -2/+0@ iNezy13: I'm with you brother! People need to stop bickering. It's pointless: people will use whatever OS they use for whatever reason, and rarely will they listen if someone with an overinflated ego tries to change their mind.
    • sonnybobiche, on 07/21/2008, -2/+32And just like a monster truck, linux requires you to know what you're doing before you get in, or disaster could result. Just to be on the safe side, though, you're strapped in tight until you hit the "sudo" button.
      • CrackyJSquirrel, on 07/21/2008, -0/+14sudo button, right next to the Esc key?
      • ut2k4king, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7Look, I don't know about you but quite a few people have tried Windows without knowing what they were doing and royally ***** things up. Imagine some guy poking around his computer, trying to free up some space and deciding that he'd never really used System32. It's just as easy to ***** up a Windows computer as it is a Linux one, the ways are just different.
    • JonLatane, on 07/21/2008, -14/+6Actually, it was a lot easier to upgrade both the memory and the hard drive in my Macbook than in my Thinkpad T43. For the memory, there was only one latch to deal with per DIMM and the hard drive installation... well, let's just say that the disparity in difficulty was much, much larger. (Check out Lenovo/IBM's and Apple's instructions if you want to see how much harder it is with the PC.)

      And IBM is known for their good craftsmanship (and yes, this is an IBM model, not Lenovo)!

      I also got the Macbook cheaper than a similarly-equipped Dell at the time (and WAY cheaper than the more-poorly-equipped Thinkpad, which I got as part of a scholarship). And using UNIX utilities (which, as a developer, is pretty important to me) isn't a bitch and a half like it is if you try to use Windows/Cygwin.
      • gaqua, on 07/21/2008, -1/+2Just be glad you never had to replace the hard drive on a Macbook Pro. Such a pain in the ass.
    • Kyrato, on 07/21/2008, -17/+3What happens when you update you drivers? Does it work 90% of the time? or do you have to use the ROLL BACK DRIVER function to get the damn thing to work again 90% of the time?!

      I use a Macbook with 10.5 on it because I don't trust windows based laptop drivers.
      I also have a PC box simply because it is cheaper abeit less reliable.
      Intel Q6600, Nvidia 9800gtx, Asus P5E3 Deluxe.
      • TheStrongForce, on 07/21/2008, -1/+9I've never used the rollback driver feature.
      • caseycoold, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Um, they are drivers for Windows, but by Windows. If they were hardwarre nazis like mac, then there's would be tight too.

        But you know us regular PC users: we like variety. Silly, huh?
      • Kyrato, on 07/21/2008, -3/+2@caseycoold: Actually windows does not make drivers for hardware such as graphics cards, soundcards, processors.. well... nearly anything. Windows only certifies and e-signs them to not be viruses and hosts them on their servers so that you can access them easier. Check it next time you download a driver from Windows Update.

        @TheStrongForce: Do you work as an IT hardware specialist? Nearly any driver support site will tell you to roll back the driver and reinstall to fix hardware issues.
      • belumaves, on 07/22/2008, -2/+1I have never roller back a driver.

        your troubles are simple to explain, the diversity of the windows ecosystem vs. the mac one are worlds apart. when apple certifies drivers they can be sure that they work with almost every combination of hardware you have, because there are a relatively small set of options. when microsoft certifies drivers all they are saying is that they looked over them and they do not contain malicious code. in the mac world you are watched over by apple who guards their reputation jealously, and in the windows world you are ar the mercy of the hardware manufacturer to get it right.
    • Patented, on 07/21/2008, -15/+9Yeah my Macbook was about $200 cheaper than a comparable Dell and especially HP laptop. Within an hour of having it on my desk, I'd upgraded my ram from 1 to 4GB with little more than a penny and a jeweler's screwdriver... I didn't have to take the flipping keyboard off or anything.
      I've had no problems "fixing" my mac, it works already. That's one of the reasons I ended up buying one. I'm not a "mac guy" or a "windows guy" or even a "linux guy"... I've only been a mac user for 3 months after fixing and working in windows and linux for 12 years... mostly out of having to help my family members navigate through the morass that is Vista (to a new user). I couldn't bring myself to buy a NEW computer and put a 6-year old OS (XP) on it...
      • Spire3660, on 07/21/2008, -0/+8Sounds like you are ./gasp a COMPUTER GUY, which is what we should all aspire to be. The right tool for the right job. The right workflow for the right person etc, so and on and so forth. Computing isnt jsut about which of X,Y,or Z system is faster/cheaper/easier to use. Its about the TOTAL WORKFLOW from beginning of what you are doing until the end.

        All these operating systems have the tools to do 99% of the functions of the others. For the most part the hardware is identical, the only REAL difference being APPLE requires a more advanced BIOS (which can be emulated anyways). Its the ease of use, cost, and i cant state this part enough, THE TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP AS IT RELATES TO THE COST/BENEFIT RATIO thats inportant.

        So odd to have to remind adults to not be FANS of software.

        Running Linux does not make you an intellectual

        Running OSX does not make you safer or a better computer user.

        Running XP or VISTA does not automatically make you a sheep.

        Addressing the strengths and weaknesses of each operating system and using the correct tool for the job at hand is the mark of a truly enlightened user.

      • OneStepAhead, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4@Spire

        best comment thus far
    • mdurwin, on 07/21/2008, -12/+2The Mac car doesn't need improvements. And it pulls chics!
    • MicahT0078, on 07/21/2008, -10/+1You are an ill-informed moron. (see various replies of common sense that can be googled contradicting your statement by invalidating your premises) Your argument is invalid. And yes, I did pass logic and reasoning with top marks.
      • doctorfungi, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2So you passed logic and reasoning with full marks, yet you don't know that an argument needs both a premise and a conclusion?

        In your post I see a personal attack, an appeal to authority and no argument. Perhaps you should take that course somewhere else.
    • bigjake52, on 07/21/2008, -11/+0My IMac G3 works Better then an Acer aspir 5100 Also The Imac has gone though more *****. The acer had to be sent in becuseof the main bord stoped working and that did not get fixed the first time the installed NORTON and Recoveryed the system OGH WINDOWS IS FOR PUSSYS AND LINUX FOR NERDS
      • belumaves, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1allow me to introduce you to some friends of mine.

        we have Mr. Period . He shows us where sentences end, it is nice to stick to a single thought per sentence.

        Then there is Ms Comma , she shows where we should pause, often indicating a transition within the sentence or separating items in a list.

        Finally we have Demon Lord Caps Lock.... never touch him.
    • sobe4u8k, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11Monster trucks aren't free.
    • MutatedNantuko, on 07/22/2008, -0/+3I wasn't expecting that last sentence at all.
    • goelz83, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Dugg for "the circle jerk at the Mac fan club the night before."
    • goelz83, on 07/22/2008, -1/+0Dugg for "the circle jerk at the Mac fan club the night before."
  • serinity, on 07/21/2008, -11/+3Nice!
  • BTom14, on 07/21/2008, -33/+1266With the price of gas you'd be an idiot to use linux.
    • iJessicaRabbit, on 07/21/2008, -31/+2Agreed, Linux is more like the Tesla
    • Gonzell, on 07/21/2008, -4/+97Ha. Pros for diverting from the mindless OS bashing.
    • vikingkatja, on 07/21/2008, -21/+48Gas is free with Linux!
    • sn0w, on 07/21/2008, -16/+3Monster trucks don't use any gasoline, they run on methanol
      • zephyr42, on 07/21/2008, -2/+1nitrous oxide actually.
      • phibit, on 07/21/2008, -0/+7You're both wrong. They run on hopes and dreams.
      • MaverickAlex, on 07/21/2008, -0/+4@zephyr42
        Nothing runs on nitrous oxide.

        Its an oxidizer.
    • infiniphunk, on 07/21/2008, -16/+5nah, even a monster truck running linux gets 80 miles/gallon.
    • inyearstocome, on 07/21/2008, -12/+7Its a universal Monster Truck. It can run on ANYTHING ;-)
    • xyqxyq, on 07/21/2008, -9/+7Bio-diesel?
    • Windsurfer619, on 07/21/2008, -12/+7Luckily, gas is free for the Linux truck!
    • barc0001, on 07/21/2008, -3/+25The Linux truck probably runs on biodiesel that's made in the owner's backyard off of waste grease for free.
    • Naieve, on 07/21/2008, -6/+7Gas might be cheaper for the linux truck, but it isn't road legal. Hope you can find a backwoods path everywhere you want to go.

      Tried to find my way to COD4 in a Linux truck and got lost so I junked the damn thing.

      My ATI TV wonder in truck tv doesn't work in linux, i put it into my linux car, and off I went.
    • misilman, on 07/21/2008, -5/+0Woshhhhh!!!....
    • zephyr42, on 07/21/2008, -5/+2Monster trucks run on pure nitrous oxide.... gasoline doesn't have that much power.
      • MaverickAlex, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Nothing runs on nitrous oxide.

        Its an oxidizer.
      • BTom14, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Plus, its a ***** joke smartypants
      • tobikow, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1I RUN ON NITROUS OXIDE LOLOLOLOLOLOL
    • Vich, on 07/22/2008, -3/+2I like linux, but dugg for lol
    • dhughes, on 07/22/2008, -3/+2 It's powered by L.O.V.E
    • unitedatheism, on 07/22/2008, -1/+1Fact! But at least you're not going to feel like being a pancake in like 3 seconds or so...
    • Natilator3, on 07/28/2008, -1/+0I'm laughing so hard i can't make any snide remarks!
  • Picard102, on 07/21/2008, -67/+621So Linux is a POS monster truck, compensating for a small penis?
    • diggingaround, on 07/21/2008, -14/+8no.. it's just robust as hell!
    • recruz, on 07/21/2008, -3/+4i dunno- i see the monster trucks get destroyed on the commercials ...
    • diggtochina, on 07/21/2008, -5/+5http://digg.com/comedy/MAC_VS_PC_One_More_Time
    • Gonzell, on 07/21/2008, -11/+2My OS has a vagina.
    • BossKey, on 07/21/2008, -9/+9Terrible representation of Linux. The Linux truck is depicted as one of those jacked-up trucks you always see driven by a redneck who constantly cuts people off because at that height he can't see the cars right next to him, and because he's too distracted yakkin' into a cell phone he's holding in one hand. And keeping us dependent on foreign oil via its fuel consumption.
    • quiggibub, on 07/21/2008, -0/+20Hardcore linux geeks don't have small penises. They just don't get to use them very often.
    • Tayls, on 07/21/2008, -2/+4No, dumbass. Linux is a redneck.
    • corneliusJones, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2you might be a linux user if...
    • Kamujin, on 07/22/2008, -1/+3I'd rather drive a monster truck then a douche-mobile.
    • unitedatheism, on 07/22/2008, -0/+2Yes, it is.

      Happy now?
  • anchora, on 07/21/2008, -16/+4I choose the monster truck. Screw gas prices!
    • HumanGlitch, on 07/21/2008, -1/+10physically impossible to screw a price
  • dannyapplesauce, on 07/21/2008, -15/+5It was only a matter of time
    • scubachef11, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3I guess people who are digging you down are only casual digg users and missed the previous story.
      • dannyapplesauce, on 07/21/2008, -0/+1I spend way too much time on digg. I'm glad at least you understood, so it wasn't entirely lost
  • geneticlone, on 07/21/2008, -24/+217So linux is a fat penguin with a gas guzzling monster truck, and your point...
    • Myztry, on 07/21/2008, -28/+3You can't guzzle gas. It's not a liquid like petrol :)
      You yanks and your funny names for things :)
      I'm trying to get my car on gas because petrol prices are going up in Australia.
      • triont, on 07/21/2008, -1/+17TROLL DETECTED.
      • scy1192, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9gas is short for gasoline
      • Papajohn56, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3SUCK A DICK

        AMERICA > *
      • neems25, on 07/21/2008, -0/+3more like "SUCK A DOUCHE!"

        *see above comments
      • Myztry, on 07/21/2008, -1/+11. I wasn't trolling. I was fishing for flathead :)
        2. Gas is long for... gas
        3. Thank. but no thanks.
        4. I'd suck a vagina. You can have the douche.
        5. Sensitive lot. LOL
      • DforSpiD, on 07/22/2008, -0/+3Myztry, gasoline and petroleum spirit, are the same thing... they are shortened to gas and petrol.
        In Australia we use gas as the term for LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) so gas doesn't work as a term for petrol.
        Then again Americans do tend to have odd words, or just spell things weirdly...
        Seriously... "mom" is not a word...
      • Myztry, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1I know what they're shortened from.
        I just think it's stupid to overlay incompatible words on top of each other.
        Gas is a distinct term to describe a liquid in it's vapour state. (and by extension - even when artifically liquified)
        The yanks will always have quirks like base 12 (foot, inch) measures, low resolution off colour broadcasts (NTSC), incorrect spelling ('American' English), nervous system electrical frequencies (60hz),etc.
        But it doesn't mean I can't point my finger and laugh at them :)
    • mk3k, on 07/21/2008, -6/+2He can go 5 miles on a tan