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- drrlvn, on 05/04/2009, -0/+29http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/05/top-10-kde4-a ...
Original, contains screenshots and comments. - Frostek, on 05/04/2009, -1/+13Some nice applications here, although I still don't consider the newest version of Amarok to be sufficiently stable yet.
Hopefully we'll see that silly naming convention where KDE apps start with a K start to die off more as time goes by. - SirSid, on 05/27/2009, -0/+9Damn these content theifs
- RoboDonut, on 05/05/2009, -0/+8That doesn't make any sense.
Not everyone shares this irrational fear of a command line environment and this "myth" never comes up in the article, so I don't understand its relevance. - merky1, on 05/04/2009, -1/+9You don't hate KDE 4, you hate Amarok 2.x. The Amarok devs decided that the KDE 4 milestone was a good break point to deviate from a wildly popular codebase and start anew.
I still use Amarok 1.4 under KDE 4, and everything works just fine. Someday 2.x will catch back up with 1.4, and I might unmask it. Until Ipod support, and a true DB upgrade (centralized MySQL DB hosted on a remote server) support is included, 1.4 is still the best Music library app I have used.
And before you run to the Mac and sh*tunes, think about whether or not you like you music library dynamically updating/ - twiztidsinz, on 05/05/2009, -2/+9He's also a huge troll....
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+6I've just stumbled upon http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/2009_Sprint_Roadmap_and ...
The people who hesitate to upgrade to Amarok 2.x may what to take a look.
Nice to see Kdenlive mentioned. I just wanted to play a bit with video editing and tried Kdenlive. I liked the program so much, I even joined its dev team. :-)
Its description contains a few small glitches. Kdenlive is not new. It's around since 2002. The KDE 4 port is an almost complete rewrite, though. Late KDE 3 versions of Kdenlive were ported to MLT, a media toolkit by the Kino author, but that port was not that good, because for a full port the software needed to be largely rewritten. The dev team did both the full MLT port and the KDE 4 port at once.
The Kino and MLT author was very impressed by Kdenlive, he even decided to concentrate on only MLT and help Kdenlive: http://kinodv.org/article/view/157/1/7/
A few maintenance releases of Kino were made afterwards, but according to the author Kino is dead since January: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg ... - Cipher054, on 05/05/2009, -2/+7really happy, nothing of dotnet or mono in that awasome apps, can the gnome guys say the same ;-D
greetings to icaza :0 - str1fe, on 05/05/2009, -0/+5The first thing I did on my first-ever Linux install recently was sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
Not all new users are terrified of the terminal :) - Hermmunster, on 05/05/2009, -1/+5@str1fe
The issue with wireless has nothing to do with KDE and everything to do with the driver support in Linux (blame the HW manufacturer or the distributor of the hardware, but not Linux). If you are using a laptop and it happens to be an HP most of your criticism should be directed at HP. They used some real cheesy chipsets for wireless.
To top that off, it isn't uncommon to see Windows give me crap with wireless. Often I have to struggle long and hard to get it set up on those HPs. (Remember, Compaq is HP). I own and operate a computer shop and I fix computers day in and day out, most of which are Windows machines. I've been in the industry for 25+ years. When I say Windows has these issues and more it's due to experience. Windows does have these issues and many more.
On the chance you have some laptop that's not HP/Compaq you should ask for help. And in general there's not a need to use the command-line unless you want to, so telling others you aren't afraid of it is an off-handed way of showing disrespect.
@cmost
It is disingenuous to even compare KDE 4 to Windows. Windows doesn't even come close to KDE 4.2.2.
Secondly, it is also incredibly naive to say that there are 600+ distros as there are not. Yes there are a lot of distros but that's like saying there are 20 million programs out there. Even if there are 20 million programs there are always a few that rise to the top and become the cream of the crop. Just because there are 20 million programs out there doesn't mean that all programs suck; which is what you are implying.
Those other distro's are not doing as well for a reason. They don't perform for the average user. There's nothing wrong with the advanced person learning this stuff from the ground up, but it isn't necessary and should NEVER be encouraged amongst those general users. Those who are technical will go to technical distros. Those who are general users will go to the distro that meets their needs. That happens to be Ubuntu right now. - Hermmunster, on 05/05/2009, -1/+5KDE 4.2.2 is awesome. It is an incredible product. It beats most desktop managers hands down on virtually every platform. This is coming from someone that used gnome for years, criticized KDE 4, and refused to even consider it till they came up with the folder view change.
It is incredible and very much worth the wait. - shethinkmefunny, on 05/05/2009, -0/+4right click desktop -> appearance settings
change "type" from "Desktop" to "Folder View"
This will give you a traditional desktop. - manstein01, on 05/05/2009, -2/+5No KMail? It's one of the QT4 applications that not only equals its predecessor, but actually offers new features.
- pcghost, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3Thank you for your work on Amarok, it is probably the app I have received the largest benefit from in the many years I have been running Linux. I appreciate the quickening pace of development, though I worry that major features from 1.4 are being sidelined for more UI design changes. I can't speak for anyone but me, but there are a couple things Amarok 1.4 did very well (not that they cannot be improved) for me. One is large collection management (using NAS and MySQL), MTP support for my Zen, and podcatching (killer feature for me). Amarok 1.4 was a single stop shop for these things. If the 2.x series can ever do these things as well as 1.4 I would switch in a minute, but I got the impression that 2.x was going to be leaving features like those behind.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3You can see into the future? Amarok will never ever be able to improve again?
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3Applications installed by default are not mentioned in the list.
- Hermmunster, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3This is true, he did switch. KDE 3.5 had a lot of functionality that appears missing. KDE 4.2.2 has overcome much of the criticism. KDE 4.1 sucked dead cow balls. That .1 update made a huge difference.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3KDE 4 apps are Qt 4 apps.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -1/+4You switch DEs because of one mail program?
- nhnFreespirit, on 05/06/2009, -0/+3Heh!
Your crystal ball seems to be broken! :-)
While you might not like Amarok 2 in its current state we now have cleaner and more flexible codebase than 1.4.x ever had or could have without a complete rewrite, allowing new features to be added in days and not weeks/moths of work. We have more active and highly motivated developers, more opportunities for getting paid to improve Amarok, and more great ideas and a stronger vision of where we want to go than ever before.
Add to this that 14 of us just spent an extended weekend in Berlin at the KDAB offices, together with graphics artists and with input from usability experts, drafting the short and long term plan for future releases, claiming that we have no idea what we are doing is a bit of a stretch. While you might not like the direction, we are quite focused and know where we want to go.
Also, the current state of Amarok 2 should really be judged by the Amarok 2.1.0 beta and not by 2.0.2. The changelog between the 2 are abut a mile long. - str1fe, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3Whoa dude, one step at a time. I just installed Linux not even a week ago; I said I'm not scared of the terminal, not that I lovingly embrace it as my own.
I'll be happy if I get the damned wireless working, I'm not even thinking about getting my hands dirty with some text. - DontThinkSo, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2Lxer didn't even bother to keep the links.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2Amarok 2.x's MySQL database lies in ~/.kde4/share/apps/amarok/mysqle
I suggest that you copy it by hand and try out the beta release of 2.1. I don't know about its iPod support, but 2.1 is way batter that 2.0. - twiztidsinz, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2Awesome, thanks!
- pinchduck, on 05/05/2009, -1/+3I just switched because KDE4 was such a pain in the ass. Breaking the "Recent Files" in Kate, then blaming users for being whiny, really pissed me off. I used to hate GNOME and was a huge KDE fan. When I switched to Linux in '98, I tried KDE and really liked it. A couple of years later GNOME was supposedly better. I tried it and it was awful. I haven't touched it in 10 years. I just switched from kubuntu 8.10 (32 bit) to Ubuntu 9.04 (64 bit). All of a sudden, my desktop was stable, there was no goofy artifacts on the desktop, my external monitor was detected perfectly. All in all, it was a really great experience. KDE will have to do some amazing work to get my business back. Some of that will involve mundane crap that they apparently don't care about any more, like "recent files" lists in Kate.
- Ellipsys, on 05/05/2009, -1/+3I can only hope that AmaroK, and all open source media players will be able to basic sync, transfer, and play from an iPhone 3G 2.0+ firmware or iPodTouch. At present, only MediaMonkey (for windows) seems to be able to do this with any degree of reliability and security, for a reason I'm not able to fathom. Is their method illegal or something, because from the best I can tell, it wouldn't be horribly difficult to implement in open source players? I really hope that the AmaroK, Songbird, Banshee, GTKPod etc... teams figure out some way to make this happen.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2KOrganizer doesn't crash for me and I work on two PCs, each with a different distro.
If what you say is true, you have a pretty crappy distro installed. Get http://news.opensuse.org/2009/05/01/opensuse-111-k ... - thecheatah, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2No its not just amarok, I hate kate, konq and korganizer in KDE4. Basically all the essential applications I use to depend on.
Korganizer crashes everytime I close it. Second it has display bugs for events that repeat. Kind of annoying what is scheduled when, when you have things accidentally drawn.
I can go on and on...*sniff* *sniff* i use to love kde :-( - RoboDonut, on 05/05/2009, -1/+2>I think im the only one that hates kde4.
Torvalds switched to Gnome (temporarily) because he was so disappointed with KDE4.
In case you don't keep up with FOSS politics, he's been a pretty vocal critic of Gnome in the past. - HonoredMule, on 05/05/2009, -0/+1I've been waiting a long time for that already (non-ridikulous knaming konventions).
- twiztidsinz, on 05/05/2009, -0/+1Anyone know how to get the desktop back in KDE4?
I personally hate the 'desktop' widget... - Hermmunster, on 05/05/2009, -1/+2I'm sorry man, I used Linux for everything and I am a huge proponent of it, but Amarok 2 is a total loss. It has no where to go. It went from the most funcational and complete music player to the dumps. It should stay there. Fix 1.4 and let's move on.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1Most KDE 4 applications are ports from KDE 3, so your claim that code wasn't reused is totally wrong.
Amarok is only partially involved with the overall KDE project. It's an "Extragear" application that's developed inside KDE's SVN, but it doesn't follow KDE's road map in any way (JuK is KDE's default music player). That's why Amarok 2.x is kind of late. Amarok 2.0 sucks, yes. Amarok 2.1 (currently in beta) is much better already.
If you don't like Amarok 2.x, why didn't you just stay with 1.4?
I don't know why you claim that Konqueror's quality decreased with KDE4. IMHO Konqueror always sucked and I'm glad it was replaced by Dolphin as file manager. I also never used Konqueror for web browsing. It's rendering engine has always been slow and totally breaks on AJAX sites. Most KDE users use Firefox these days and any somewhat decent distro ships with FF as default browser.
Kate is more or less the same as before.
Overall I think that your rant has nothing to do with anything that actually happened. Switching to another DE just because 3 apps don't work as expected sounds very fishy to me. It's far easier to just replace those 3 apps. - nhnFreespirit, on 05/11/2009, -0/+1Thank you for the kinds words! :-)
I am pretty sure that none of the features you are missing have been deliberately sidelined, we might just not have gotten around to all of them yet.
MTP support should already be there. There are some bits missing though, but we have a Google Summer of Code student (the same one who added device support last year) working on finishing it up this year, and adding support for a few missing device types.
Amarok 2 uses the MySQL embedded database by default, so all users get to benefit from the speed of MySQL. It should be very simple to add support for an external server as well (as the client lib is the same) so we basically just need to add a config option for that somewhere, and a way of moving your info back and forth between an external server and the embedded one.
Podcasting has been lagging behind a little bit, mainly because the developer whose pet project this is has been insanely busy lately, but the plans for it are far more ambitious than what 1.4.x ever had. Already you can browse and subscribe to podcasts from the built in podcast directory, and in 2.1.0 podcast support has received a lot of work although it is not perfect yet. - Hermmunster, on 05/05/2009, -1/+2gwenview has been showing signs of instability for some time. Only recently has it been able to keep up without crashing when opening an image. No idea why a program that mimics thousands of others from years back keeps crashing on opening regular images. And, not sure why they don't just trap those errors.
I don't like speedcrunch. I'd rather just use kcalc. It does what I need.
krusader looks nice but it looks a lot like norton commander. I have found dolphin has matured quite a bit and I like the split view. It has proven quite useful to me lately.
I'm curious about digiKam. Going to check it out along with a couple others listed there.
The problem with the Amarok 2.0.2 screen shot is that it shows everything well aligned but the whole thing is just a mess once you start resizing. That center bottom piece of the window is utterly crazy in design and nearly useless. It is meant to mimic a tabbed interface without tabs. It is like someone trying to hack a tabbed dialog box but screwing up at every turn. Resizing those pieces results in some really crummy hard to read jumble of pieces. Not to mention the massive number of bugs in it.
And I think the regular terminal is just fine. I don't need an on-the-fly terminal that pops up at a keystroke. But in case you didn't know in KDE 4.2.2 you can assign a keystroke to open a terminal window if you wish. - kojot350, on 05/05/2009, -1/+2KMail is an KDE4 app not Qt4 app
- oobuntu, on 05/11/2009, -0/+1actually, yes. in my line of work i use mail, web browser, terminal for about 80% of operations.
i have to sit it front of it for 10 hours a day so the mail client gets the casting vote usually. i'm not going sit on kde using firefox and evolution, but i might with kmail and firefox (does konqueror still have that digg bug i wonder?). most of the time i don't get to see the desktop or menu system. - oobuntu, on 05/05/2009, -1/+2admittedly it is still nowhere near ready for use, as qt4 versions of k3b and amarok aren't usable yet (and amarok still has a long way to go)
- Mistress9, on 05/11/2009, -0/+1Yeah, I can..
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/05/2009, -0/+1cmost is right. Kubuntu is the worst KDE distro out there.
- Mistress9, on 05/11/2009, -0/+1Yeah, what hermmunster said.. So ;P
- spoofem, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1The naming konvention makes them easier to find when browsing repos for KDE apps.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 05/10/2009, -0/+1KDE 4 is available for Mac OS X as well.
- oobuntu, on 05/05/2009, -1/+1i tried kmail in kde4 for one day and had to switch back (to gnome) because of a major showstopper: for some reason, i was not able to set kmail to show new/unread messages in bold or larger font, instead it preferred to use different colours. i may switch back if this is possible
- Raguel, on 05/05/2009, -0/+0Apparently, there is a workaround : you can change something in the config of your IPhone in order to make it behave like the old generation. No time to look for it right now though
- pcghost, on 05/09/2009, -1/+1Seconded. I had really high hopes for 2.0, as a complete Amarok addict. The betas don't bode well for it. 1.4 was/is the perfect player for me, other than the frequent (once a day or so) crashes.
- Mistress9, on 05/11/2009, -0/+0So get your mac and stfu..
- Hermmunster, on 05/05/2009, -4/+3Amarok is by far the biggest piece of ***** to come out of KDE and that's coming from someone that supports linux fully and has used amarok 1.x for years.
These guys at amarok are totally lost, utterly, and will not find their way back. They have no idea what they are doing with that product. It is messy, it is incomplete, it is mis-designed, it is just a total piece of *****.
Nothing they do will change that. - sloppychris, on 05/05/2009, -3/+2Bury this lxer.com *****.
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