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- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20NOT a DUPE! It's not even the same article.
- shawnz, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20lenovo == IBM == _the_ linux people.
- eean, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Bah, warez ultimately supports Microsoft. Pirated Windows is one of Linux's biggest competitors and lays the foundations for Microsoft dominance in developing nation.
- richardiscool, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Lenovo != IBM
- xxNIRVANAxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9how about system76.com?
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You are the one who sounds like a fanboy :)
Windows costs $50 and for profit +$50 = $100
Getting linux to do the same things that windows does? Who needs linux to be full of spyware and full of viruses and security issues?
Also, Linux is != (not) Windows, get your facts, and don't listen to the sheep herd, or else, you'd just have to do what the rest of them do... and that's not nice.
By the way, Linux does more than windows ^_^
And also, it does super 3d effects on the desktop.
And also, with wine, you can run games faster than on windows.
And also, It works faster.
And also, you're dumb :D - Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Acer has been selling notebooks without Windows for at least a few years.
The difference in price between one without Windows and one with Windows XP Home is $40CAD (about $35USD). I guess this tells you how much the large vendors pay for Windows licenses. - B111, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Companies like linuxcertified.com have been doing this for years.
However, it is nice to see Lenovo doing it. I wouldn't mind getting one. - userian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Linux has already come to OEM Laptops, for a while now...
- hyrate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Lenovo != IBM...they just happened to buy IBM's consumer PC business.
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yeah, and have you seen linuxcertified.com's prices? Insanely expensive!!!! If you look at what they're selling, you'll find that you can generally get a Dell (or any other brand) for half the price, install Linux yourself, and save hundreds dollars. Sure, you're not guaranteed that all the hardware in your Brand-X laptop will work, but 10 minutes of searching will come up with a list of laptops that are fully supported by current distros. Ordering a Lenovo with Linux preinstalled doesn't really save much money either. Maybe $50.
If you're interested Linux from a cost perspecitive, linuxcertified.com is actually giving Linux a bad name. - DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"a laptop with Microsoft installed"
I find it amazing that a single laptop has room to install both Microsoft, and the Internet! Laptops look so small, but they obviously have plenty of storage space!
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"How many is the jigabytes?" - rolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5IBM actually owns about 19% of Lenovo....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This is rediculous. It actually costs MORE money to get a laptop without an OS installed. If you compare the Linux Lenovo's to thier Windows counterparts, the Linux machines cost quite a bit more.
In the end its better to get the bloat-ware subsidized windows machine and format on arrival.
If you dont like the idea of supporting microsoft, go the extra mile and resell your windows license, or post it to a warez site. - scronline, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There are several OEMs that are selling Linux on notebooks. All one has to do is check around. We've been putting Linux on all of our equipment upon request for well over 3 years now. We'll even sell our equipment without an OS (just don't expect OS support if you buy one that way) so I have to call B.S. and wave the really big B.S. flag on this one. Just because we aren't a "large OEM" doesn't mean we can't do just as good if not better than they can. There's something to be said for getting a system the way YOU want it, not the way someone things you should get it. I also know of several companies that won't sell equipment with Windows on it. It's either Linux, no OS, or go somewhere else.
- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yes, a quick google of "Linux Laptops" turns up a few laptops with Linux pre-installed :)
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7OR ( as I don't own Windows I am just guessing ) How much they are paid to pre install Demo software.
- AgentofId, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*sigh* XVampireX, yes actually I *do* realize that Xbox is a microsoft product; that was kind of the point of the joke Windows = OS so... a laptop with Microsoft on it = everything MS makes?
I'll try to be less obtuse in the future... - baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1stupid gamers they have a one-track mind, 3D gaming, as if there was nothing else happening on computers...
some people actually use a computer for work, word processors to type up documents and spreadsheets for accounting and designing a business strategy... - Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"OR How much they are paid to pre install Demo software."
Acer doesn't do this. An Acer system will only have a small number of Acer utilities and a few other things on it. That's one of the things I like about Acer. If you buy a Dell, you end up spending about 90 minutes removing all the crap on it. - FuzzyCat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Actually IBM Thinkpads have *always* been Lenovo laptops. Oh, and I'm already using suse 10.1 on my thinkpad (t20) and have been for a while now, previously it had ubuntu and prior to that rh 8... although it did originally come with winders 2k...... - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've always built my own desktops. When I needed a laptop, I looked at picking up some OEM laptops from MSI, etc, and building it out myself. I found that in most if not all cases, even with the Microsoft Tax, it's still cheaper to get a minimally equipped configure-to-order Dell or HP, and then swap out the parts that need swapping. I've also found that their quality is also generally a bit than the OEM route.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, I bought a laptop in 2001 and I asked the store to substract the Microsoft license because I wouldn't use it, which they did.
- muep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Have you tried any RPM distros lately? I hear there have been a lot of improvements in dependency handling. I have also installed Fedora Core 5 twice and didn't have eny issues, except for the pacakge management being quite a resource hog when compared to apt/dpkg. But it was on an ancient 350 MHz machine, so I am sure that a more modern computer would have handled that quite well.
I like Debian's system more than the RPM ones, but I don't think there is so much reason to bash RPM than before.
If I get my new computer today, I'll try Fedora on it... then I'll see better. - weaszel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lenovo's definitely not the first one to offer os-free systems. PowerNotebooks.com (http://powernotebooks.com/) has had this option for years.
- Iandefor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"One of the things Lenovo's laptops* offers via its OS-less HDs is mainstream users a chance to get Linux *desktops* without having to pay Microsoft."
Am I the only one who noticed this :-)? - darkyoshi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Too bad they chose an RPM distribution. What's the point of an OS if you'll kill yourself trying to resolve dependency issues?
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Wouldnt you get a notebook without an OS for a lower price, then "get" XP for a "lower price" and install it there?
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah system76 is cool, too bad I found out about them after I got my laptop from HP. Oh well, next time.
- psilanthropist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1actually in india, except for the high end media center laptops (which come bundled with windows and a lot of other junk) all acer laptops run on Linux.
- joesnow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i just wanna know how yo "uninstall" windows.. lol formatting works for me :-P
- AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1HP released Linux laptops over three years ago
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,110884-page,1/article.html
Even Walmart has been selling Linux laptops for years
http://news.com.com/Wal-Mart+debuts+498+Linux+laptop/2100-1044_3-5498006.html - XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Or start installing some linux distro or some other OS and let the installer do the job of erasing windows.
- zeptobyte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Linux isn't the best for gaming either, so it's a match!
- LiterateWolf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2A notebook without Winblows. I guess the Market's Invisible Hand is finally doing something.
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Well, you could get a preloaded notebook, right? But, cool article and concept nonetheless!
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Just use a barebones laptop from a company. If you don't have the balls or skizzels then just have a local store build it for you (thats what I did). Maybe not local to you but believe it or not there are computer manufacturers out there that aren't Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba, Acer, etc. that know how to work on laptop equipment from Asus and MSI. They also don't have to install an OS if they built it from barebones from a MB manufacturer. In other words avoid completely prebuilt solutions, best buy, and compusa. If you do that then you should be able to get a laptop with no OS on it and best of all its probably cheaper and supported by Linux better anyways!
- CaptainMordecai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Its not even targeted at gamers....RTFA
"they have been designed specifically for electronic engineers engaged in integrated circuit and board-level design who use numeric intensive computer-aided design (CAD) or electronic design automation (EDS) applications in a mobile environment."
Thats why laptops. - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4It's probably a combination of the cost of the license, minus the money they're paid to preload.
When you get right down to it, if they did pre-install Linux, other than saving you the annoyance of knowing that you paid for Windows you're not using, you wouldn't really save any money. In all likely hood, they'd pre-install a commercial Linux distro, like Red Hat or SLED, something that comes with and the $35 you'd save would be spent on that license.
Personally, I don't want to pay for any license that I'm not going to use, and I want to know the real cost of the software I'm licensing. However, if I'm buying a new computer, and they tell me that I can get it without Windows for only $35 less, I'm probably just going to take the Windows license. Having a legit license and not having to bother pirating is totally worth $35. Sure you'd have to do a clean install to get rid of the pre-loaded garbage, then set up your Linux dual-boot, but that's fine with me. - AgentofId, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3What is this "Microsoft" she speaks of laptops coming preinstalled with? I've heard of windows before... but I assume Microsoft comes with a lot more than just windows? Can I play xbox games on these laptops preloaded with Microsoft?
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1This is old and why Laptops? They are not the best thing since sliced bread for gaming. (Ok, I didn't make sense here, but you get the point).
Basically, laptops are not the best for gaming and most people don't really have a laptop, most of them (The non-tech savvy) got a desktop PC. - XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Well, while having sarcasm in your post, you continue with irony/paradox.
Xbox is a microsoft product :P
Better just get yourself a PS3, will > Xbox 360, And the Wii will > Xbox 360, too. - QuimZ, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1NO DIGG This is old and there have been a few different OEM's already bundling linux for a few years now
- chrismm, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Considering that OEM licenses in bulk probably cost 10-15 bucks a pop, don't expect any real savings. For the money you "save" you might as well just get an XP key with it too. If you're about proving a point, then that's cool and whatever, but please quit talking about how much MS software "drives up the price" of laptops or workstations purchased from big name manufacturers. When you factor in your time spent getting linux to do what Windows does, it's probably cheaper to just run with windows.
I'm sure this will get modded down due to using logic instead of fanboi-ism so :shrug:. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Yeah but then they couldn't ride the buzz on the latest "omg linux" digg spam.
Not only would anyone serious just buy an OS-less notebook, they'd get it from any of the many places that offer them.
The only person/s who'd go the Windows OEM (+$0 to the price) are the ones who want to complain about the ($0) money they "wasted" on something they didn't want but chose to get. - Spies, on 10/12/2007, -32/+1dupe http://digg.com/tech_news/Lenovo_preloads_Linux_onto_notebooks
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mark_of_the_Microsoft_Beast_2
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mark_of_the_Microsoft_Beast
http://digg.com/tech_news/Mark_of_the_Beast_Microsoft_that_is
http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_mark_of_the_beast
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