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- d7415, on 10/12/2007, -5/+62But what about those of us who aren't Finnish?!
(sorry, I couldn't resist that..) - Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40I disagree. To any user who can only uses the GUI, this does bring everything to a halt.
- siavash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29This solved it for me..
From the thread:
When your Xserver crash and you are at text console type this:
sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
When finnish, reboot or just type startx. To reboot type:
sudo shutdown -r now - Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30Hmm. This is really very ***** up when you think about it. Imagine how many people not in the know have rebooted only to get a black screen and CLI. What if they don't dual boot? Hosed. They just assume it's borked and re-install or something, giving ubuntu a not so great name in the process :(
- GameGod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28This is HUGE.
It's just a plain old security update/bug fix that's been pushed out into the Ubuntu Update Manager and after rebooting it'll leave your machine without graphics...
Don't upgrade your X-org related stuff at least until we get the green-light until this has been fixed.
The Ubuntu team's probably going nuts right now, this is a really bad situation. :( - GameGod, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36Now, I guess I should also add:
The description in the story is inaccurate because it can't "bring your machine to an abrupt halt". All it'll do is make your machine temporarily lose it's graphical environment when you reboot. (Nothing abrubt or halting about that... no?) - ActivitY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18i'm just thinking about all the non-technical people i converted to ubuntu right now, i bet they're freaking out :-
- MikeDawg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Digg, the offical message board for Ubuntu.
- xose, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17No need for those fixes, just do an update. The fixed package is alredy online.
Now that's being fast at bugfixing ;-) - DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14it's not the updater that was the problem. one of the updates that the developers put out acted badly with X which runs the GUI interface. Honestly, I don't know how something like that gets through though because they should've tested it on at least 1 test system to make sure there were no bugs.either someone wasn't paying attention during testing or the update wasn't removed when it should've been, but either way, it shouldn't have gotten through.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17From me reading the comments, I don't see one "insane" ubuntu zealot.
- michael.calfee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Wow. I installed Ubuntu for the first time ever today (also my FIRST EVER Linux experience). Everything was working great, and I was thinking, there is no way it can be this easy. Then I'm prompted to install some updates. All the while, I'm thinking, "This has an automatic updater? Friggin' A!" Then a couple hours later, I restart, and the whole system just goes up in flames. I was pretty devastated. After about 2 hours of forum mining, I found the thread on the official Ubuntu forums explaining the problem. Now it's all fixed, but that's pretty lame that I can't trust the updater. However, overall, Ubuntu is GREAT. I love it. It's like the Web 2.0 of operating systems.
- lezard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11That's a major bug in the most spammed^Wtalked-about distribution. It is therefore normal to inform users of the resolution of their bug. A front-page is the least you can do.
- ubuntudemon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13The problem is fixed.
Please wait with upgrading Ubuntu Dapper until xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 hits the servers. - ubuntudemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Let’s learn from this experience and :
-improve testing
-have gracious fallback :
http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/xserverfailover/ - Noctem, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I'm sure the typical 'grandma' who had Ubuntu installed for her would have no problem fixing this. Right? So easy grandma could use it? Yeah, I'm sure she could just open up Lynx and go straight to the Ubuntu forums to figure out some cryptic sudo apt-get commands and have it repaired lickety-split! Because I'm sure most Linux geeks didn't think it was necessary to dual boot with XP for grandma, just in case.
- hexix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@Gomek:
It's a one line fix assuming you know what that one line is. The advantage of Ubuntu was suppose to be it's ease of use.
Telling users that it's no big deal that their computer dumped them to a crude text screen because they just need to search web forums and eventually realize that they need to login and type:
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
is really not an acceptable solution for these new users who we've been telling to try Ubuntu. If people keep going around and pretending problems with Linux distros shouldn't be treated like problems then Linux is going to turn into a huge pile of crap prpetty fast. Stuff like this needs to be taken as seriously as it would be taken if it was Apple or Microsoft who had the problem. - cakefart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I have only used Ubuntu for a year (Linux geek since 1994), but this is the first time I've ever had a bad update.
I had really trusted their software- while I was able to 'downgrade' on my own, I can only imagine what a newbie would think.
A few incidents like this will completely derail any goodwill or market momentum this otherwise excellent distro might have accumulated. I sincerely hope they get a handle on whatever quality control issue caused this to be released. - stonyhill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This fix seems to work for most, but it doesn't work for me. I've been trying for hours to get my GUI working again. Never spent so much time with Lynx in my life!
- jessejoedotcom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241254
HOWTO solve the problem:
UPDATE:
The recent updates break the Xserver. If you have already updated Ubuntu please type the following command:
wget -c http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/dapper/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
wget -c http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/dapper/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-dev_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-core*.deb
NOTE: 64bit users should do this:
sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
sudo reboot - WorldGroove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"However, overall, Ubuntu is GREAT. I love it. It's like the Web 2.0 of operating systems."
I bet there are some digg-folks who don't want Ubuntu compared to Web 2.0. ;-) - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I totally agree. Infact, I was into the first reboot on my brother's ubuntu box (which I had just installed xgl and compiz on it), and then I got this error. I reinstalled ubuntu thinking I messed up the installation of compiz. But it was this xserver-core bug which was the problem.
Very annoying. - radison2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Yea mod me down for telling the truth. Honesty HELPS us win. Modding down dissent and pretending everything is ok is a good way to ruin a community.
I love linux but I'm not going to say everything is great when it isn't. - becominglumberg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why fdisk? Gparted worked fine for me...
And don't be harsh on Ubuntu over one fumble. Every OS company has messed up. Also, this bug didnt kill my X, so I don't think it is as prevailent as people think. - radison2, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Yuck. This is one of the things that is stopping linux from taking over the desktop. While us geeks find our way for the everyday user this is the equivilent of XP bluescreening everytime you turn on the computer.
- Zaxx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@Cander
You are correct, you should be pissed at these damn Ubuntu developers. How dare they provide you with a free operating system that has more power and capabilities then a Windows system, then make a minor mistake that is fixed a few hours later. Those people should be ashamed of themselves and you should demand that for free they provide you with 100% quality instead of the 99% they are giving.
Get a life Cander, people make mistakes. This sucks for people who got bit by it, but if you have a complaint either fix the problem yourself (the beauty of open-source) and post the fix back to the team or switch back to buggy crash prone Windows. Where you will wait for next months patch day to get the update to that big security hole that has plagued your servers performance only to find out that they will release that fix next month. - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yes, it is front page material.
I'm not sure what you mean by it's not a major release. This is analogous to microsoft releasing a bad critical update that causes all windows computers to only start up in a command-prompt mode.
This isn't a development version of Ubuntu we're talking about, it's an update for the last official stable release. This kind of stuff should not happen. - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I actually did have my machine come to an abrupt halt. I was using it yesterday, did an upgrade that caused the bad xorg-core to get installed. A while later my screensaver came on and the entire machine froze solid. I had to physically reboot the machine since I could not switch to a console and I couldn't kill X.
Once it booted it was unable to start X. I thought that maybe my video card died or something until I saw this story.
Definitely a black eye for Ubuntu. This type of thing should never happen on a stable branch of a distribution. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Linux biggots have made it a point for years that stuff like this would NEVER happen with Linux."
No, they haven't. You probably confused that with them saying something is better than Windows. There's a big difference though. I don't think I've ever in my life seen a Linux zealot say the OS is totally bug-safe and no "crashes" can ever happen. In that case, it can only be a computer illiterate Linux zealot, i.e. someone hardly representative of the Linux community in general.
It's quite astonishing how often trolls go on about these things like you do, despite Windows guys never really saying it's bug proof, OS X zealots saying viruses *cannot* happen, Linux zealots saying nothing can be more stable than it, etc. It's mostly just your perception of posts that might make you believe so. - dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I have a cron job doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, so I'm getting more than security fixes.
- garnie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9My thought aswell think ubuntu will loose alot of users on this trick.
- Gomek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Do yourself a favor and unsubscribe from the Linux/Unix section of the Technology news. And probably the Apple section, as well.
- jawbreaker4fs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Grandma shouldn't have root access to install updates anyway!
- everdred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Or maybe, dick-richardson, they *can't* complain because they can't get on the web because their GUI is broken.
- lezard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@becominglumberg : fdisk ? (And then install Debian, or Mandriva, or Slackware, or any distribution that at least try to test its updates).
- ubuntudemon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8UPDATE: the problem has been fixed but you should wait to upgrade until xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb is uploaded to the ubuntu servers.
If you want to upgrade using the terminal then issue this command when the new package is uploaded to the ubuntu servers :
$sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
There are multiple (temporary) stickies (in different forum sections) linking to tseliot’s sticky. When an affected user is able to go to the forums (for example using a livecd) he/she will probably find tseliot’s sticky easily. - Cander, on 10/12/2007, -14/+20"It'll be fixed within hours.. Watch."
Doesn't matter. Should never have happened. - chikmag777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ tyne
"is this really front page material ?"
Yes. This problem affected a lot of people and those here that have dugg the story felt that it was pretty important to get the word out about it.
If you don't like the way that stories make it to the front page on Digg, go somewhere else. - khafra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Elinks, if you want a text browser that'll handle frames and some javascript. In reference to the original post, I'd rather be wary of it than be weary from trying to fix it.
- OneZeroZeroOne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is kind of ironic. I've been putting off switching to Linux for a LONG time on my home machine. So, last night I finally bite the bullet and give it a try. I go to update my nVidia drivers...uh oh...
This story is actually a good thing. Hopefully things aren't usually like this and I'll be able to fix everything tonight. At first glance, I liked what I saw, but this definitely was a souring experience. - bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The first thing I tried was a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
It reinstalled x.org and fixed the issue. I was only down for about 2 minutes.
These other fixes are overly complicated. - Ansible, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Grrr.. I too installed ubuntu on my machine just yesterday to try it out and this morning this happened. I wasn't too inconvenienced by it - had to go to a webforum to find the answer, but if ubuntu was my only OS I would have been screwed, with no web browser and no manual. Not everyone knows about apt-get whatever.
Sure, people make mistakes, but that's what testing is for! You'll probably never have 100% defect free software in the real world, but come on, this was a pretty glaring error. It looks to me like no one tested the upgrade AT ALL, not even just booting it, before making it live, that's pretty slack. - Spookster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Assuming the ubuntu packages mirror you use has been updated, that is. Check that you are getting the following version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4. If it's still 10.3... wait.
- Noctem, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@jessejoedotcom:
This has nothing to do with hardware replacement. This is an official software patch from Ubuntu. Don't change the topic.
@gedlandsend:
I've never, ever had a Microsoft update cause a BSOD. Ever. I'm talking all the way back to Win95. Also, more to the point, I've never, ever had a Microsoft update cause the GUI to go completely dead, which is what this thread is really about. - Gomek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@hexix:
I completely agree that this was a big problem that should never have happened. These types of things should definitely be taken seriously. My point was simply that anti-Linux and anti-Ubuntu zealots are swarming in here, now, and putting us down.
I remember before I was using Ubuntu, I was using Windows XP, and when Service Pack 2 was released, it broke my system. I had to reinstall. Each operating system has its own problems. As long as the problems are dealt with accordingly, I don't think there's any reason for this excessive hostility.
The excessive mod-downs in this thread support my claim. The same situation usually happens in anti-Vista threads, too, so it's not like I'm trying to take sides. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4is it safe to update now? without having to worry about this ?
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Ah yes, Ubuntu, the "bulletproof", "click-and-go", "it just works" distro. Maybe this will show people that Ubuntu is not the end-all be-all.
- jessejoedotcom, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Shut up already. What do you do when your latest Service Pack breaks half your system? Yeah you wait a month before M$ fixes it or reinstall. This was fixed within hours. Just a testament to how awesome open source is.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10@ cander
"Doesn't matter. Should never have happened."
did you ever think that the people developing Ubuntu (and any other software/os) are *gasp* human? mistakes happen. yes they should've taken more care, but you can't blame them for one mistake. hopefully this mistake will allow them to learn how to stop another buggy update from making its way to the update server. - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, lets ignore the fact that both SP1 and SP2 left thousands of PCs unbootable. That and a fix took months to be released. Lets put this little Ubuntu problem that was fixed in a matter of hours as a plus for Windows.
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