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Kubuntu gears up for KDE 4

arstechnica.com — A KDE 4 RC 2 Live CD is available for testing, and Kubuntu 7.10 users can install RC 2 from Kubuntu's KDE 4 PPA repository.

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  • schestowitz, on 12/14/2007, -9/+15> "8.04 will be able to use special experimental CD images that will be issued on a daily basis."

    That shows that they really take this seriously. Excellent!
    • dualscreenman, on 12/14/2007, -0/+10Well, this is *Kubuntu* we're talking about; a KDE-based distro. Why wouldn't they take KDE4 seriously?
      • KAMiKAZOW, on 12/14/2007, -1/+7Well, they could say that Hardy will be a LTS release and thus leave out KDE4 completely.
        • dualscreenman, on 12/14/2007, -1/+2Ah, I hadn't thought about it that way.
        • lengau, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1Kubuntu would then be split (KDE3 in official Kubuntu, KDE4 in another) and would lost popularity.
          This way, they can have KDE4 but still have a KDE3 desktop by default.
      • schestowitz, on 12/14/2007, -4/+3I was thinking about Mark Shuttleworth's complaint/concern about release cycles and predictability. There's a lot of momentum to be gained with Ubuntu because it's widely distributed and recognised at the moment.
  • chetanthaker, on 12/14/2007, -18/+3KDE4 should've been released on its original date, rather then pushing it back !! But still waiting for it anyways
    • sathia, on 12/14/2007, -0/+6if you have been a good kid Santa will bring you Kde4
  • Lolerdong, on 12/14/2007, -9/+12I'm going to name my first daughter Kubuntu in light of this amazing world changing news.
    • wedderburn, on 12/14/2007, -1/+11With thinking like that, i wonder if it will be possible for you to procreate.
  • KineticShampoo, on 12/14/2007, -4/+61***** THE RIAA!

    edit: wrong window.
    • Smokersroom, on 12/14/2007, -0/+42This sentiment is always relevant.
  • ventralnet, on 12/14/2007, -17/+6I find gnome looks better than kde
    • TheHydrogens, on 12/14/2007, -1/+14Thanks so much for your opinion!
    • plr4ever, on 12/14/2007, -1/+3I gotta say, Compiz really kicks ass!
    • temujin, on 12/14/2007, -2/+1I find Gnome less bloated, visually speaking, than kde. But I'm very curious to check how different kde is, since I liked a lot the few screenshots I've seen
  • gtluke, on 12/14/2007, -1/+4okay i installed this last night, its nowhere near as nice as the normal gutsy release. NOTHING is installed, its a bare install but KDE 4 is working.
    can't figure out how to put files on my desktop though.
    • mrsteveman1, on 12/14/2007, -0/+6KDE is and always has been split into groups. KDE base is what all the basic stuff comes in, then theres -extras and such with the rest.
      • gtluke, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3its a full kde install, but its not a normal kubuntu install. my normal gutsy kubuntu has things like adept, firefox... this one has none of that. i can figure out how to install adept but its not working correctly, and i dont' have the "add remove programs"
        a LOT of stuff is missing from a normal kubuntu install.
        hopefully someone does a normal gutsy kubuntu + kde4 so i can reinstall it.
  • scronline, on 12/14/2007, -1/+11this would be great and all, but apparently kubuntu doesn't get as much dev time as ubuntu and thus has some rather serious shortcomings and/or bugs. For example, a freshly installed Kubuntu will not necessarily correctly run it's updates. On 5 out of 7 machines after attempting to run the updates I get a failure and then "Version upgrade" After reboot it might boot or it might dump me to the CLI where I have to finish the updates using apt-get and then reboot yet again.

    Also Compiz doesn't work for CRAP. Not that compiz is a deal breaker, but it's kind of annoying going through and installing it all and it falls on it's face and takes your X system with it. But I do have to say that KDE is so perty and clean without compiz it really doesn't NEED it. It would just be nice to play around with. OSX and Microsoft could take some lessons from KDE and how clean, organized and useful it really is.

    Of course on my notebook 7.10 on EITHER distro takes well over 3 minutes to boot. So yeah, while I love the strides ubuntu has made on making it one hell of a solid desktop system there are some pretty glaring short-comings.

    So yeah, there's that :P
  • nwoolls, on 12/14/2007, -10/+16You know, I would take KDE and its associated applications 10x more seriously if the names didn't all start with a K. Gnome is only about half as bad with the G. I mean this just doesn't come off as professional. You end up with horrible names IMHO, and misspelled ones at that.
    • bowe, on 12/14/2007, -3/+9I think you're making too much out of the name thing. Are Twitter, Google, or Yahoo! great names, or are we just used to them? They'd probably sounds pretty ridiculous to non-web users. Like it or not misspelling seems to be the cool thing to do, we're at a site right now with an intentional misspelling.
      I'd also say that KDE is moving away from the K thing, but not changing the existing application names. For instance, the KDE4 launcher is called Raptor, and the file-manager Dolphin. I think the K naming convention just came about due to laziness and spread a wee bit out of control, with things like Ksettings, Kprint, etc. coming about as a result
    • KAMiKAZOW, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1Many of those "K names" are just words from another language. English tends to use lots of Cs for K-sounds, but German, Swedish, and other languages with germanic heritage often actually use Ks. Simple example: English: "Music". German/Danish/...: "Musik".
  • DonCarcharo, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3What's the easiest way to update to KDE 4 from within Kubuntu 7.1? I'm interested in seeing what all the fuss is about.
  • emehrkay, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3I tried the live cd yesterday and when i turned on the effects the screen went white and was no longer usable.

    I couldn't find the wireless networking options, they work on the pcs that I tried kubuntu on because they work for ubuntu.

    KDE 4 is looking good though, very interesting. I like the "start" or K menu.
  • argusbargus, on 12/14/2007, -3/+2I vote for Nimrod from Surface as the new mascot!
    http://www.freewebs.com/nimsurface/desktop.jpg
  • EclipseAgent, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3Ok, so they are going to do something that openSUSE has been doing for quite a while now? They've done a Live CD since Beta stages.

    IMO If you are going to use KDE do not go Kubuntu because there are many many short comings compared to Ubuntu. I enjoy my openSUSE 10.3 w/ KDE4 RC2 though.
  • Hermmunster, on 12/14/2007, -0/+4I played with it a bit today and can only conclude that it is only alpha level software. It is jerky, it is incomplete, it is confusing. It is buggy. In some cases it is non-functional. It is just that it shouldn't be released yet, nor in 1 month, nor in 2 months, maybe not even in 6 months to a year.

    It really needs work.
    • Darkhacker, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3The KDE team is huge and a lot of progress happens very quickly. Will it truly be ready and stable in a month or two? Probably not, but Aaron Seigo really wants to encourage people to start developing for the platform so that they'll have lots of support, applications, and developers armed and ready for 4.1. He thought about going Google on us and keeping it in a long term beta with lots of releases but he thought that would discourage developers. Although KDE as a desktop isn't very stable, the libraries and APIs are very stable and ready to be used and that's the message he wanted to get across. Think of it like this.. 4.0 is the release of the platform and 4.1 is the release of the desktop.
  • priegog, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3Has anyone got the torrent? I just feel dirty downloading from a server something I may just barely try.
  • xqb4dpx, on 12/16/2007, -0/+1anyone know if this'll run on a 502mb 989mhz Pentium III? it should right? (im not being sarcastic or anything, i just found a couple of Compaq Deskpro ENs that are pretty badass and i'm trying different distros on them)
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