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- luciferin, on 11/23/2007, -6/+75My god, 8 minutes of video and the only things they show is the "dashboard" feature and rotating a clock applet ~35 degrees. I was expecting a visual demo of more features.
- autoatsakiklis, on 11/23/2007, -2/+67Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGYGzTDHhPg
- JohnFlux, on 11/23/2007, -0/+29Slowly we have been dropping the K. Examples:
kicker -> plasma
kcontrol -> systemsettings
konqueror -> well the file manager side is replaced with dolphin
ksysguard -> the process list bit is just called 'system monitor'
amaroK -> Amarok (changing the case)
Even our yearly meet-up is now changed from 'aKademy' to 'Akademy' - not quite dropping the k, but putting less emphasison it.
And the release candidate was called 'calamity'. - Luigi239, on 11/23/2007, -7/+35I gotta say, KDE 4 is looking great. It looks so modern with a whole lot more features than ever before. All they need to do is get rid of the friggin K naming scheme and I'll be there on day one.
- Flashtone, on 11/23/2007, -3/+30Waiting for KDE4 is like waiting for spore to come out.
- chetanthaker, on 11/23/2007, -3/+27SERIOUSLY waiting for KDE4 now. Off goes the good ol' GNOME !!
KDE4 is expected to be released by mid of december 2007 - shanesemler, on 11/23/2007, -0/+20Maybe you should watch the video and listen to the narrator.
- ioannusdeverani, on 11/23/2007, -2/+21KDE is NOT an operating system. It is a desktop environment that can be run on multiple operating systems. Your comparison of kde, gnome, vista and leopard is seriously flawed, because while Vista and Leopard are operating systems, Gnome and KDE are not.
- luciferin, on 11/23/2007, -0/+17The first thing he mentions is that it is all re-sizable.
- richbradshaw, on 11/23/2007, -3/+20That's not the OS, that's manufacturers not producing drivers for their hardware.
- papavb, on 11/23/2007, -2/+17there should be less talking and more feature pageantry
- podgey22, on 11/23/2007, -2/+12Different set of people, mate. KDE people deal with KDE. That's a front end so one of their primary concerns *is* cool frontend ***** like this.
Your beef is with the kernel and driver hackers, and maybe, at a push, the actual distributors.
And if you've got a problem with Ubuntu, just hop in IRC and probably ~200 out of the 1200 people in there will be able to help you out. - akilleen, on 11/23/2007, -0/+10And the cool thing about running Linux is, you don't have to use KDE if you don't want to. ;)
- sishgupta, on 11/23/2007, -0/+9This video is part of Commit-digest, a weekly KDE overview of recent changes.
http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-11-18/ - dualscreenman, on 11/23/2007, -0/+9Konqueror will still retain it's file browsing abilities, but the default file browser will be Dolphin.(Just thought I'd clear that up before anyone "OMGOHNOZ" over that. :P
- shanesemler, on 11/23/2007, -0/+8For some inexplicable reason, it seems the idiots are crawling out of the woodwork for this particular news item. I'm not sure why but it's very annoying.
Anyway, while I'm currently Gnome user, I think KDE 4 is looking very very good so far. They really are thinking up new ways to interact with the desktop. The containments concept is fascinating. This stuff is moving far beyond the Gnome team's attempt to reinvent the old Mac desktop (yes, that is one of the reasons I use it; and no, I'm not a hypocrite, I can use a piece of software and still be critical of it). I'm looking forward to the final product. - smthop3, on 11/23/2007, -0/+8It's okay.... he's an ADVANCED user.
- coolwalking, on 11/23/2007, -0/+8I've been reading the KDE RSS feeds, and it seems like everyone is in agreement that it is quite buggy, so there will probably be more RCs before the final.
- MrSpontaneous, on 11/23/2007, -0/+8If you actually listend to the video, he said that the taskbar is nowhere near final. Its something that will be getting love in the next few weeks.
- jonjo, on 11/23/2007, -0/+8did you read that comment back to yourself?
- muszek, on 11/23/2007, -0/+7And the second thing he says is that it's not going to be a default taskbar.
- shanesemler, on 11/23/2007, -0/+7Thank you.
- angers, on 11/23/2007, -1/+8that's temporary... please view video before posting
- schestowitz, on 11/23/2007, -9/+16This ought to be buried for being blgospam. It comes from the KDE commit digest and there's also a direct link to the video.
- tenjin1, on 11/23/2007, -0/+7This comment is to HeadJam:
HeadJam says: "What I would like to see instead of pretty graphics is a linux distro that WORKS right out of the box no matter what your hardware is. I'm an advanced user and every single time I've tried to install linux over the years, there's always something that doesn't work and requires hours of editing config files and compiling dependencies."
My reply:Despite the free software worlds constant battle to acquire hardware specifications (often reverse engineering them) in order to develop free software drivers, GNU/Linux still supports far more hardware than Vista ever will. One of the reasons for this is because Vista needs certain hardware requirements to implement Digital Restrictions Management schemes and Trusted Computing schemes so that the hardware and the software can restrict how you can use your software, your data, and all of your multi-media content. (from http://badvista.fsf.org/blog) - rsklnkv, on 11/23/2007, -2/+8"Stop wasting my time..."
As if your time is so much more important than any other pathetic prick on this planet. - stoanhart, on 11/23/2007, -1/+7I hate the "K" when it's uncalled for. I can't think of an example right now, but you know there are those words which just shouldn't have a K.
But when it fits in, I say keep it. Like Calamity could easily be Kalamity without looking stupid. - Dohko_Xar, on 11/23/2007, -1/+7Dude, calm down, you don't need to worry because developers who make the OS "pretty" are not the guys who make the OS compatible or stable, that's another developing team that's 100% focused in their goals.
- ferrariman60, on 11/23/2007, -2/+8Well, since you're an "Advanced User" you know that KDE and GNOME are just the GUI, right? Soooo.... it is, in fact, the job of the KDE devs to make it as pretty and user friendly as they can. As a result, it isn't KDE that you should be whining about- it's the team behind whatever distro you're using you should be whining to. Ever wonder why there's Ubuntu and Kubuntu? And how they're on eerily similar update cycles? It's because Ubuntu uses Gnome Kubuntu uses KDE. And Linux will never work with everything right out of the box- you get what you pay for. And I think it's worth pointing out that in my Linux travels (which are admittedly quite limited) I've installed Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and on my lame laptop, Xubuntu- my computer has worked fine with just basic work, and I do have some relatively exotic stuff (Geforce 8800GT, Creative X-fi, more), and it hasn't taken much. The biggest pain was getting my sound card to work- which was a pretty simple solution in the end. I don't know much at all about linux either- maybe you should look on the internet. It can be a powerful tool to those who aren't tools themselves.
- Theli, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5And why does he keep shading and unshading that Dolphin window when he's not even talking about it?
- Coldkill, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5You really are an idiot
- Stonekeeper, on 11/23/2007, -1/+6There isn't an OS in the world that works "out of the box" for every hardware configuration. But go ahead, prove me wrong. Walk into a shop and buy and OS that works on any hardware config. Oh right, you can't. Because windows doesn't come with every driver (hell, it doesn't even pick up my network card on install) and OSX only runs on a small subset of hardware. So, I guess you could say linux is the best of the bunch: It works on loads of different hardware, out of the box, just not all.
- lengau, on 11/23/2007, -0/+5Honestly, I would suggest that you consider waiting for KDE 4.1. 4.0 won't quite be ready for the happy-shininess of *KDE 4!*. It's mostly designed for early adopters. I will be using KDE 4.0, but then again I'm already a KDE user. However, 4.0 isn't planned as a release that "just anyone" can use.
Keep on the lookout, though. It's already looking great. - amfantasy, on 11/23/2007, -3/+8Microsoft and Apple take notes
- thecheatah, on 11/23/2007, -4/+8Your waisting your own time by commenting here.
"What I would like to see instead of pretty graphics is a linux distro that WORKS right out of the box no matter what your hardware is."
That is not the task of the window manager or the app maintainers, but the task of the distro you use. There the ones that put everything together and make it just work. - JohnFlux, on 11/23/2007, -0/+4What exactly do you want?
KDE provides a large number of libraries for application developers, provides spell checking, file searching/indexing, etc. The processes list thing is actually useful and powerful. KDE comes with apps like a web browser, file manager, pdf/ps/dvi/etc viewer, and so on. - Coldkill, on 11/23/2007, -0/+4Maybe you're doing something wrong
- nonokiaboy, on 11/23/2007, -4/+8Somebody call the whammmmmmmmmmmbulance!
- dualscreenman, on 11/23/2007, -0/+4Have you seen the under-the-hood changes to KDE 4? I'm guessing not, since the most visible features are those that are well, visible.
Pretty interesting stuff... - subgeniusd, on 11/23/2007, -0/+4You are a very strange person.
- arcanimus, on 11/23/2007, -0/+4I was waiting for someone to point that out. Thanks ioannusdeverani :)
- Dylson, on 11/23/2007, -1/+4Cool, looks like things are coming together well for KDE4
- enricotuxmind, on 11/23/2007, -0/+3There's the button on the right, are you blind ? Hit on the button and you get it.. ;-)
- Darkhacker, on 11/24/2007, -0/+31. Competition is a good thing. Try reading up on the basics of capitalism. The same thing applies with multiple applications. Yes we should try to avoid duplication for common things (thus the reason for libraries) but if somebody has a different and better way of doing something then the end result is even better than if they had worked together on something of less value.
2. Distributions target different users for different tasks. To make an oh-so-famous car analogy, it's like having trucks, vans, sedans, and buses. They are all motor vehicles but can do different things and each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Much like Linux distributions.
3. Even though Microsoft focuses all of their OS work "into a single product", it still sucks. There goes that theory.
4. Windows does *not* support more hardware out of the box than Linux. It supports the bare minimum to run and install.
5. If you can't see your screen when booting Linux... turn the monitor on. ;-) This complaint is years old. X gracefully handles almost any graphics card with VESA and now with Bulletproof X, it's even better at it. - inactive, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3Nice! Not sure I like that thing in the upper right hand corner of the desktop though. It wouldn't be so bad if it were customizable so I could make it look the way I like, but from the screenshots and videos I have seen, it looks out of place and does not match the theme of the desktop. I am not sure if I like the wrench sitting on top of it either. Maybe they are not done with it yet... I just hope that I can skin it, (re)move it, and/or make it transparent.
- inactive, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3Why did you digg him down? He makes a very good point! He is becoming less interesting.
- dualscreenman, on 11/23/2007, -1/+4Last week they killed something like 302 bugs. Bugs reported? 300. They're making great progress.
- dahlek, on 11/23/2007, -1/+3I agree. Dolphin doesn't have tabs! Why are we regressing? Making things easier, and removing features, are not one in the same. Tab features don't hurt those who never use them, but removing tabs annoys the crap out of me. I also hate how they followed Gnome's default of hiding the path bar, but I guess hiding the system path from new-users is trendy these days. Every GUI has is a tradeoff. KDE always gave more features and eye-candy at the expense of more resource usage, and I was OK with that trade-off. Lately, Gnome has swelled and used more resources than KDE, while offering fewer features. I don't get the point. When I want something light, I use XFCE.
What advantage will KDE have if they reduce their feature set to match Gnome? - kahrn, on 11/23/2007, -0/+2It's not the fault of linux developers if your hardware does not work. Infact, more hardware is supported in *nix partly due to it being so open - and the end result is that more hardware will probably _always_ be supported. The only downfall is that it takes a little while to get your hardware supported if it is bleeding edge or not many people are using it. In either case, if your hardware isn't working then it's actually _your_ fault for not requesting drivers to be made. If nobody knows that your hardware does not work, then nobody can help you or develop new drivers.
The beauty of the open source community is that everyone can help. If you don't bother to help then don't expect anything to be done for you. - inactive, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2So what I'm getting from this demonstration is that KDE 4 allows you to shade and unshade windows.
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