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- blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14They seriously need some anti-aliasing. It's so bad it hurts the eyes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Looking Glass on Ubuntu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQ4Nza34ak
Looks interesting. Many of these ideas have already been merged into Compiz/Beryl. - zephc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Get this team an artist! stat!
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Metisse has been doing some similar things, maybe more. Proper open source, too...
Metisse on GNU/Linux demo
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| A demo of Metisse, an X-based window system designed with two goals in
| mind: make it easy to design and implement innovative window
| management techniques and conform to existing standards and be
| robust and efficient enough to be used on a daily basis, making
| it a suitable platform for the evaluation of the proposed techniques
`----
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxsUKX6xXyE
This one is similar to Spaces in Mac OS X:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT89IOci5FA&NR
Here it is with some UI innovation:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gp8GzKwBdsg
There are also some Looking Glass videos, as well as Beryl/Compiz XGL/AIGLX videos, on GooTube /et al/. - jojopotato, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Cool, but doesn't look like it has changed much since I saw it a year ago.
- code_of_life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Java_Project_Looking_Glass_1_0_Screenshots/
- aidanr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i tried it out earlier, i couldn't get it to start up in it's own session, was only able to get it going in a window in gnome
it was pretty cool, still very very alpha it seems
some things i like, like the background and way the windows move when you drag them side to side, and i love the album viewer (even if all it does is rotate albums atm), some things i didn't like though, like some of the controls and the cursor and the big java logo and those ugly green window borders
still cool to be able to play with it - barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The thing is, while those are meant to be eye candy and pretty, lg3d is meant to be a full 3d workspace. So while having a 3d workspace might bring about the coolness of some effects you havent seen before, it's not a replacement for beryl, rather it is an alternative to the 2d enviroment we are used to using.
- sbrown123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I smell serious B.S.. WPF is a 2D vector presentation framework and not a desktop. If you were trying to find a matching Microsoft tech look at Vistas Aeroglass.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ummm....no, the Avalon framework is nowhere near production ready. Looking glass is not either.
It is not an end product as much as it is a sand box for other apps. One very cool app done with Looking glass is: http://www.gomonkey.at/videos.shtml - linuxrebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Got it running as it's own WM session on Ubuntu... almost made me sea sick. the window 'pulses' like a bad gif animation. None of my gnome or kde applications where available to launch or run inside of the LG environment. over all it lacked the fit, feel and polish that something like Beryl or Compiz have. But these two projects are not as old as LG so given time they may degrade as well.
There are a lot of neat ideas in LG for sure, I ddi find it to be reasonably responsive (meaning it responded at the speed of other desktops.) Scaling of graphics and anti-aliasing were evident in what they would have provided if they had been available. Artwork of things like the 3d file manager had all of the graphic sophistication of CDE.
The biggest mistake was imho that they forgot to account for their dyslexia and released it as a 1.0 instead of a 0.1 - stoppedcode12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3what? FYI, Avalon is WPF. And yes, they are interchangeable.
- BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Except if you develop on Microsoft, it only runs on Microsoft. If you develop on Java, it runs on any platform without even a recompile.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@joe
If you care to take your eyes away from that "Learn Intarweb programming visually, with agility for beginners in 24-hours", maybe you can point me to some Avalon apps, or Visual Studio integration.
Even MS says that IDE integration for Avalon is not available as of now. With that out of the way, like I said, these (including Looking Glass) are new unproven technologies. It will be maybe a couple of years when apps built with them are in production and bugs start to surface that anyone can say anything about these platforms. As of now, they are just a newer technology that will enable world peace. - noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The difference?
Which do you see implemented? - noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11@HaxityHaxHaxed
If you have a graphics card, then you're doing something wrong.
Usage the Java language does not necessarily result in slowness.
You are not "hot *****". - BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Is it supposed to be this ugly (the screenshots)?
- FarcicalFart, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Yes, it is still as ugly as it started.
- demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Why? What's the point of this?"
Read the website where it explains it and shows screenshots and video. But did I really have to tell you that? What's the point of your post? - noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We should see live bootable optical media shortly... There was one for an earlier version of this.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is not an end product as much as it is a sand box for other apps. One very cool app done with Looking glass is: http://www.gomonkey.at/videos.shtml
- dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What's the point of flipping 2 dimensional windows around, so you can read them "backwards"?
I think if people want to create new interface innovations they need to think at the hardware level and/or rework the current desktop paradigm as well. You can 3d-ify the two dimensional desktop all you want but it's not going to give people any practical value in terms of ease of use. If anything it's going to get in their way and won't be much better than the current use of "minimize a window/maximize a window".
Cool and innovative, sure. But it's kind of like putting snow tires on a little kids wagon in Africa, it serves no purpose at all. - FZero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2My god, this is incredibly UGLY.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Looking Glass has an API. You can read more about it at: https://lg3d.dev.java.net/
It looks like they are doing a good job of integrating with 3D/sound cards too. Like I said, it is a basically a sandbox just like the JVM and not an end product. The biggest benefit of this would be Java API's that have better support for 3D and sound, multimedia IMO being one of Java's shortcomings right now. - hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@geokon
No that's not what I mean at all. I am not talking about having a custom image background for your button. I am talking about new interface paradigms kind of like:
https://aerith.dev.java.net/
http://blogs.sun.com/chrisoliver/entry/more_f3_demos (click on the launch button)
http://www.gomonkey.at/videos.shtml - hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@shylock
I know that. I saw the demos and also a couple of other 3rd party systems. But these are more like the CGI renders that game companies like to pass off for real gameplay.
I can name a ton of technologies that have been hyped to high heaven and then nothing came of them. Not just MS technologies btw. Avalon is cool and relatively easy to work with. But that MS's target, the lowest common denominator. It will be easy to pick it up and build a freshman project with it. The real test is will it be extensible. How about support for custom widgets etc. Once everyone and their grandma has those flashy, spinny effects, these effects will no longer be cutting edge. That's where extensibility comes in.
Please read my previous post. - hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is not an end product as much as it is a sand box for other apps. One very cool app done with Looking glass is: http://www.gomonkey.at/videos.shtml
- stoppedcode12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When sun initially showed this to the public (2004) this was very cool. They showed rotating playing videos, notes on the back of apps...etc. But since then, with the introduction of beryl and whatnot, this project has really seem rather dull and unimpressive because it lacked so much progress and attention. Had sun actually spent more time developing this, I bet it would've had much more impact to the public.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=looking+glass Dates back to 2004 - motang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Shaped up very nicely!
- BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The stair stepping on some of those images looks like the result of using gif for their source images. Did they develop this before png was widely available?
- crossers, on 07/11/2008, -0/+0action is really good, and all this is pretty nice!
http://www.ocflex.com/
http://www.trgovinca.org
http://www.chasr.org/ - looklikecontest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why? What's the point of this?
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Did you catch this line from the second link you posted;
"This was inspired in part by XAMLPad. Note that other than watching the XAMLPad video, I've never actually used it."
I don't see what you're trying to show here that can't be done with WPF. Custom window borders, custom ui elements, apllying a transformation matrix to pics/videos? Which part of these demos, in specific, are you saying WPF can't do.
As for your comment on everything WPF being pre-rendered, you should go over to Channel9 and run a search on WPF in their videos section. There are 40 minute long videos were developers go start to end developing a WPF based UI. - ordminute, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Jesus that looks bloody awful. Sun needs to take a style class with the Beryl or AIGLX camp.
- BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thanks...I did some more poking around and found some presentations on it. I figured I should know what it is since I do a lot Java development. It's looks it's basically a middle layer between the application panel and the display that does translucency and perspective transforms. I assume there's an API so an application aware of the environment can manipulate the presentation to some extent. It should perform well as long as the JVM has access to the graphics card's functions to do that stuff.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Support for custom widgets?
You can draw stuff in vector drawing apps and 3d design apps (like zam3d) and export those images to XAML and have them comprise your WPF app's GUI. Is that what you mean by custom widgets? - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2i can't work out what i am supposed to do with this. How do i open webpages? all i can get it to do is ***** around with the music player (which i can't make PLAY music) ?
- BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Am I missing something here? Does it do something besides windows that support a background with an alpha channel?
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2are you stupid? what do you mean Avalon is not production ready? it's already shipped as WPF in .NET 3.0
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@ hchaudh1
Avalon isn't the framework. WPF is. And yes, it is built in to Vista. MS already have proof-of-concepts demos available and are most likely going to be implementing the 3D desktop layers down the road in the coming months. - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4This is very likely too little too late.
Microsoft's .NET Framework 3.0 includes the new Windows Presentation Foundation technology which allows just this kind of 3D interaction using fairly simple markup syntax. This technology has already shipped with Windows Vista, and has been available for over a month for Windows 2000+. - pumacub, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I've already seen some more feature rich and far cooler 3D environments done with WPF.
- pandaro, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Ugh. This reminds me of Nintendo. 8 bit.
- troubledyouths, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0So while having a 3d workspace might bring about the coolness of some effects you havent seen before, it's not a replacement for beryl, rather it is an alternative to the 2d enviroment we are used to using.
http://www.silveradoboysranch.com/ - burke, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6@noseeme:
No, it is slow. HaxityHaxHaxed is right for once :)
Seriously. Compare this (java, slow) with Beryl (c, fast). - computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I don't like it that much, but it might have potential.
If it can overcome the Java hurdle. Filled with cream and sugar. *rimshot* - electronicmaji, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1this is a very old concept and nothing will come of it. sorry.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4ewww...java
- siodine, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6Too bad that's slower than my Grandmothers bowel movements.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -23/+8I tried it this morning, and it's SO slow and laggy. And I have dual core. Java = FTL.
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