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- 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49I almost posted this exact same comment before I realized that the point isn't time savings, it's having the convenience of saving a session in one OS while you use another and being able to switch back and forth.
That being said, this isn't much of a discovery, I believe most people that dual-boot are aware of this. - Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -11/+42Hibernation is almost as bad as rebooting.
Good on him for finding this, but it's not much of a time savings. - JeffreyAtW, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Flagged as inaccurate.
This is not a how-to. A how-to would have steps and take you through the process of setting up your MBR so you can hibernate both operating systems flawlessly. It's true that this is very old hat for anyone who's hibernated before - hibernation literally turns off your computer and tells the OS to load the hibernation file the next time it loads - so of course it would work fine.
The thing is, this article is about how Vista overwrites the MBR upon install. It doesn't do a very good job of telling you how to fix this problem - although it does mention Knoppix, which is a good solution. Overwrite the MBR with one of those and you'll still be able to boot into Vista after going through GRUB. - bignickolson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18I've already vitalized my software
- ggoyal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Looks like you have to do a warm boot anyway and go through the bootloader. I thought he had found a way to load the other OS without going through the boot process at all.
- CamoChris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's not really a 'how to' article, it's about how Vista stops you from being able to do this.
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10While this is kinda cool (hibernate + dualboot)... what's even cooling is using VMWare to boot up a session of your other OS while in your primary.
- jpbro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You may have had hibernation disabled. In case others out there need to enable hibernation:
Start button > Control Panel > Power Options > Hibernation tab > Checkmark "Enable Hibernation" (if this item is not available, then your system does not support hibernation)
NOTE: If you can't find Power Options in your Control Panel, you should click the "Switch to Classic View" option
Also, if you are using the shutdown screen that shows icons instead of a dropdown menu for the shutdown options, you should hold down the Shift key to display the Hibernate option, or just press the H key in order to hibernate. - ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There seems to be a general concensus here that hibernation sucks. Can anyone explain WHY though? I use it a lot. Laptops have an obvious use for it: work at desk, hibernate, work from meeting, hibernate, work at home, hiberntae, etc.
Even my tower has been put to "sleep" at night to conserve energy/be quiet. It's nice being able to resume whatever I had open immediately. - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11The headline is inaccurate, this is just a rant about Vista, hardly a HOWTO on anything. Bleh!
- haackers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Everyone hates hibernation but i use it because it saves you session, so know dual booting with it, will make people use it more. You should just install vitalization software and no reboot or hibernate!!
- ReubADoob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Spot on with you comment JefferyAW. This article doesn't tell you "HOWTO" do anything. A real "HOWTO" would give steps as how to make this possible and not complain about what an OS that isn't even available yet (Vista) for install prevents switching between it and Linux.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Ummmmmm wheres the howto...... all I see is a lame anti-MS rant loosely based on something most people knew already
- affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Every time you make a decision like this in designing your software, God kills a Windows PC I maintain."
That line cracked me up - lubos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I know half a dozen of other people who "discovered" this possibility with hibernation years ago.
But it sucks because our software (and even hardware) is generally not hibernation ready yet. - pxa270, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Some people love it. Some people think it sucks. They're both right, because it depends a lot on your hardware, drivers, and your BIOS implementation. Others already replied that some hardware doesn't stop/restart correctly (usually due to shoddy drivers). There's also the fact that some machines (like my old ThinkPad 600E) spend something like 30 seconds in the BIOS test alone, so waking from hibernation is dreadfully slow. On my ThinkPad X40 though, it's an absolute joy. The BIOS test takes about 5 seconds, the XP hibernation resume about 9, so I'm up in under 15 seconds. And it's reliable enough that I usually go for weeks without a real reboot.
- Mindflux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Of course they will jackass. Hibernate keeps track of the state of your files. Changes to them when coming out of hybernate means something is 'askew'.
Obvious meet mullet. - wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Virtualization is cooler... unless you want to do something like play a video or play a game under the guest OS, then its not. I love virtualization. I use it on two of my computers to let me run windows programs but it has limits. Chief among those limits being a sharp drop in performance under the guest OS. It's not the perfect solution for every one. If you normally use Linux and keep windows around to play the latest games, running windows under virtualization is not for you.
- timdietrich, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I thought that about my computer as well. it is a higher end dual xeon setup and I never had the hibernate option while others at my office did. I think it has something to do with SP2. My install was pre-SP2 with the update via windows update. Last week I wiped my computer and installed from scratch using an SP2 disk and now I can hibernate my computer. Go figure.
- brickbat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8After you come back from hibernation, often you will find that wifi and wired network stops working. Some software crashes and peripherals on usb ports will disappear.
Its true. It sucks. It was a good idea poorly implemented. - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's cool but CS:S isn't a game, it's just a bad port of a game called Counter-Strike.
- daveisfera, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1Poor hardware support from old devices is not a reason why the concept/software sucks.
- two55309, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2yeah that was not a how to, just hibernating. not really worth the read.
- slapout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I discovered (accidently) that if I hibernate Windows with a Linux LiveCD in the drive then when I turn the machine back on, it will boot into the LiveCD. I can then reboot back into my windows session.
- gsmolders, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Wow, this guy really can't write a coherent article.
What's this about? Hibernation? The MBR? Microsoft Vista and it's stupid installation procedure? - trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Ummm sorry but this is just logical. All hibernation does is store what is loaded into your RAM onto the hard drive. The problem though is that the Windows file system will lock down under hibernation so you can't modify anything on the partitions.
- jmank88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I did this on accident one time, my laptop went into hibernation from low batt in windows, then when i started up grub came up and i went with linux. Then when i switched back later it just like popped into windows with the hibernation load bar. I havent been able to get it to it again though lol
- caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think it would be cool to save the hybernate state for Linux too, and offer an option to boot into the last good hybernated state or do a full boot for any OS..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why is this rated so highly? Hibernation on a modern system saves at least a minute of boot time IME, and we're not even including loading the applications into the same state you had before poweroff...
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"Nerfing a PCs master boot record (MBR) in order to install your operating system is, to put it mildly, somewhat unfriendly behaviour."
It's about nerfing your MBR. You know, like you nerf your own mother, or how you got nerfed by three burly men in a back alley one drunken night. - golgo13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is pretty lame and I'm not even wasting the time to read the article. Hibernating between operating systems does works. I prefer to use swsusp2 http://www.suspend2.net/ with Linux. One thing to remember; if you hibernate between two OSs in addition to sharing a fat32 partition you're going to have problems. A solution to no dual-booting would be virtualizing one OS while still running the other.
- d2nd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i use hibernation for my car pc (not a laptop), boot time is pretty important. Ive gone almost 2 months without a reboot, hibernating the machine each time the car turns off.
USB is definitely sketch with hibernating, but if setup properly, and for select applications it's a thing of beauty. - cquilliam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2If you want to dual-boot Windows and Linux without rebooting (is it even called dual-boot then?) try CoLinux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoLinux - wafflesomd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I'll stick with my install of ubuntu, wine runs any windows program I need, and the only game I play, cs:s runs perfectly.
I will never go back or even have the urge to put the old xp disc back in. - mrayyan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2hmm. I love vmware...
- V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6People using hibernation on any OS is looking for problems. Reboot!
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Phew, and I thought it was because I did somethign wrong during my XGL/Compiz installation (mind you the first X Server crash was due to libglitz-glx1 not being installed, but when I got the second crash I was kinda surprised...
Tisk tisk ubuntu... I would expect this from edgy but on a stable release? - ninor, on 11/17/2007, -1/+0thank you
- rubberdoggydo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0For all you guys bagging windows, here's a quick refresher. Installed Ubuntu the other week. Dual system with vista. Looked okay, if you like the retro windows95 look and feel. Call this system better than windows? Get a reality check. A week after installing it, it did some upgrade to itself, and on August 21, in the middle of all this windows bashing rot- it crapped itself. I know what UBUNTU stands for Unless Bloody Uninstalling Never Touch Ubuntu.
- phlogiston99, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Or for the full speed of both OS at the same time, they invented the super mega concept of a second computer + KVM switch. No reboot, no hibernate, no sleep. Only productivity, twice as much of it!
- zerovertex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yes! +Digg just for that!
- recklessftw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1haha, I found that out about 2 months ago.
Good to know... takes just as long. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I've been doing this for a couple of years...
no problem at all on windows, however, on the Linux side Suse was the only distro that had few problems with hibernation, particularly since 9.2 - transistor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2mmm VMWARE, i can run multiple OS's at the same time.
- Icecream, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Does say it would save time.. lol
- french_mullet, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2DO NOT DO THIS!!!! Why?
1. Boot into Windows.
2. Hibernate.
3. Boot into Ubuntu.
4. Create/delete/modify some files on a common FAT32 partition
5. Boot back into Windows.
Your changes will disappear. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Haha. :)
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -12/+3i already do this on my laptop (bc sadly, my univ is so into ms that their registrar's website breaks when not using IE and you can only take the exams on a windows comp)
the wifi works fine for me (this is the first time SiS chipset has worked out in my favor), but i have to run wifi-radar and pull up the the network settings panel to connect. - z0rz, on 10/12/2007, -17/+7This is new? Not to flame or anything but I thought everyone did this. When I installed ubuntu this was seemless. The only problem I had was that wifi won't reintiate on Ubuntu without an actual reboot.
- AlbinoRaven, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1Useless.
Pointless.
How did this get in here? My guess, co-ordinated staffers and friends of APC.
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