What is Digg?Sponsored by Dragon Age: Origins
Can't get enough Dragon Age: Origins? Play the flash game. view!
DragonAgeJourneys.com - Play the free companion flash game to Dragon Age: Origins.
70 Comments
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -9/+91Yeah Go Chris!! You're really breaking new ground here.
Oh wait, you're just wishing ATI and nVidia would do something about it, like everyone else.
If Google want it to happen they're going to have to buy the companies. Enough others have asked / begged / pleaded to make one more instance unlikely to accomplish anything. - jennamalia, on 10/11/2007, -1/+36I wonder if Chris was speaking as an official representative of Google, or in a more personal "wouldn't it be nice if..." kind of manner.
- Giga, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32"The reason nvidia and ati haven't released their drivers is that they are afraid others might steal their design..."
There is a also high probability that they will need to rewrite the drivers before they can open-source them anyway to remove Intellectual Property that is covered by Non Disclosure Agreements... - trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31It's named after the activist group Mothers Against Dyslexia?
- ahuxley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27If you want to help real open gpu hardware, please support
http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php - jopsen, on 10/11/2007, -8/+31linkedlist
I think microsoft declared google war... Perhaps getting prober 3d support for Linux, would be a way of getting back at microsoft, at least in the long run...
The reason nvidia and ati haven't released their drivers is that they are afraid others might steal their design... - chriskuta, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23The more support for open source drivers the better. dugg.
- OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16nvidia has not released source code for 3D drivers. they only release the 2D X11 drivers. and source for the kernel shim to load the binary only 3D drivers. Please respond with a link to the nvidia driver source if you disagree.
- TritonX, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Someone suggested they should buy a rival video card manufacturer, not a bad idea. Wouldn't it be funny if they buy S3 and they start to rivalize with the big two ATI/Nvidia
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Well we have to admit that opening their search algorithm would kill Google. It's not about start ups but the various SEO guru's would be all over the source code trying to pick apart the page rank algorithm. This is different to the security argument because it isn't as easily possible to fix it as such via the force of many eyeballs.
Right now Google make regular and sizeable donations of code and money to OSS and I can accept them keeping their algorithm secret as a necessary evil given what they return to the community. - scabbers, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12So Dell would lose customers who wanted nvidia/ati graphics in their windows box. Empty threats don't work.
- cliffzdude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Google didn't say ***** about Open Source Drivers, a Google Employee did. The open-source program manager at Google made some comments, the headline reads like Google made an official company statement.
- jejones, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Sigh... What I wish had happened is not just that Dell decide to offer Linux with some systems, but that they go to hardware manufacturers and say "Provide the information needed for Open Source drivers with feature and speed parity with your WIndows drivers, or we won't use your hardware in ANY of our systems."
Pressure from Google is good, but pressure from OEMs would be much better. - starquake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11This is combination of buzzwords I didn't expect just yet
- stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Their search technology is located on their own equipment, not ours, its hard to argue for any right to see it, doubly so when you have no obligation to use it.
- joeroot1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12wow, all he has done is reiterate what the linux community has been complaining about for the past few years. what a guy.
- warpzero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8You are completely wrong. NVidia open sources just barely enough to get 2D graphics working. They give away no more than ATI does.
- jawbreaker4fs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11It's not really google... some guy at a conference who works for google just happened to say it. Buried as inaccurate.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Why was Giga dugg down. That is an issue. It's why we don't have a full OSS JDK yet. Dolby own parts of JavaSound and Kodak own large sections of Java2D, until this code is rewritten we won't have an open JDK. Same situation with 3D drivers, Nvidia and ATI probably don't own all the source code or got access to some technology under a NDA.
However this doesn't stop them releasing specs on the hardware. - Felshadow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"If you're not playing the latest 3D games (e.g., you're running Linux) then you do NOT need ATI and NVidia. Good riddance!"
This is part of what they are trying to accomplish. Ive played half life 2, and counter strike on steam, and wine has a decent amount of programs that work on it.
If we got real quality open source drivers, it would open up the option of Linux releases for games, and who doesn't want that? - KnightMareInc, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9banned for spam
- skyshock1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"Google didn't say ***** about Open Source Drivers, a Google Employee did. The open-source program manager at Google made some comments, the headline reads like Google made an official company statement."
As an employee of Google, I can say a great deal of us feel the same way about making these drivers open-source. But yeah our opinions and the stuff you hear us yacking about around the water coolers should by no means be considered an official company statement or anything. - tuzziel, on 10/11/2007, -8/+12Interesting thing, why is Google so struggling to open up those crucial drivers? They want to make their own OS perhaps?
- cdibona, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Darkhacker has it right. Back when Neomagic was the story people aggressively reverse engineered this card which led to its being open sourced by the company. There are some good efforts out there to reverse engineer the ati and nvidia cards, and what I was saying was that our energy should go into these efforts, not another 5 years of moaning about it.
And yeah, I'm just some guy who works at Google. It's not like Sergey was up on stage bemoaning the lack of drivers for cripes sake. - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Because Chris DiBona isn't a high ranking person at Google at all.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I agree google just needs to buy S3 or some other company and make its own drivers/cards and to hell with the rest of them.
- nullynull, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I'm a little dubious about AMD/ATI providing open source drivers when their actions detailed in the link below are taken into consideration:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005289.php - Mejogid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2... which would be illegal unless the drivers were open source.
- warpzero, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4The question I want to know is why, why, why, WHY do Linux users still continue to buy ATI and NVidia graphics? They're not the only two out there. In fact, the #1 graphics vendor in the world (by far) also has the best support for Linux - Intel! Do yourself a favour, and buy Intel graphics the next time you build a Linux PC.
I just recently bought a new ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H motherboard - it runs Core 2 Duo, has Intel graphics, and DVI out. And, it runs beautifully on Linux. If you're not playing the latest 3D games (e.g., you're running Linux) then you do NOT need ATI and NVidia. Good riddance!
The day Intel makes discrete graphics (very soon now!) is the day Linux users should officially ditch ATI and NVidia forever. - Slikkster, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Why doesn't Google open-source their search-engine technology? This company is starting to scare me...
- brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Whoever takes over the task of reverse-engineering is really spending a lot of very difficult time doing no more then making a point, really.
It is quite unlikley that you can reverse-engineer display drivers fast enough to keep up with the features and stability of the current NVidia proprietary binary blob drivers.
GIven that situation - yes, you can then distribute Linux with some rather compatible open-souce nvidia drivers, but if everyone is still going to download the NVidia blobs after install, is it really worth it? I can't really think of any situations where I would use a third-party driver over the vendors driver. - baalzebub, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3i would like to see the drivers for video cards open source too, that would be ideal, but i am not an idealist and to be more pragmatic would be for ATI & nVidia to collaborate/work with Xorg to include them with your X-Window-System (better than nothing)...
- Katana314, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3At least Gabe Newell, co-founder of Valve, had a better suggestion;
AUTO-UPDATE DRIVERS
At least it's a more creative one. - OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1it's nice that you spot government waste. what's new. no need to cross post it to completely unrelated articles. find another soap box. I'm banning you and recommend everyone else do the same.
- motters, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Totally agree. It's about time NVIDIA and ATI got their act together on open source drivers.
- Jo9100, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5= Market caps =
AMD: 7.5G$
NVIDIA: 14.35G$
Google: 157.61G$ - raseel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If google can't persuade AMD to open the drivers, then no one can. And after that... God save AMD.
I just don't get it, why would someone like AMD who is in race with the likes of Intel and Nvidia now want to open source their drivers ? - stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2....maybe because the "GMA950" is not exactly a screaming video chip? Intel does not make high end graphics cards.
- Darkhacker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Poor choice of wording. I think he is referring to how the open source community has handled the reverse engineering of drivers in the past. My guess at a translation...
"Because I think that I am just so tired of this conversation and before what we would [have done] is we would [have] just [done] it. " - slapthemonkey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Open Source drivers are certainly welcome.
- AICkieran, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2It depends on what you want to do, I personally dual boot with windows so I can still play the odd game now and then so I had to compromise and get an nVidia card (lesser of the two evils)
Where as on the other box I have an old matrox card which has pretty good linux support.
Integrated graphics have come quite a long way but I still don't like using system memory taken up for graphics, I'd rather have a ***** old matrox or TNT2 card than integrated.
What you've gotta remember is that traditionally this hasn't mattered to people then linux folks come along and say 'we want open source drivers' OEM's are not used to that and it will take a bit more time and market share to get them to accept it. That and the fact ATI/nVidia have a virtual monopoly in consumer discrete graphics, as soon as one says 'Here you go' the other will follow but unlike other hardware there aren't really any REAL competitors that can do that and push the others into it if they wanna keep marketshare, it has to come from them.
I hope intel do come out with discrete graphics cards but the question is will it rival the ATI/nVidia stuff, especially for people like me who like the odd game? - subxero37, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Wow, I didn't know this existed... open-source integrated circuits, I love the idea.
- skyshock1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@ scabbers
Those customers wanting a Linux box from Dell probably already know that the ATI/Nvidia graphics drivers for Linux suck pretty hard. I don't think it would change sales. - adamdon89, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2When I read the title I thought that Google Talk was going open-source. But these kind of ideas are even better.
- Wreckage, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0So google wants ATINVIDIA to open up their drivers? OK. When is google going to show us the source code for their search engine?
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2As soon as there's enough demand...there will be drivers. Maintaining code costs money as there has to be a return on investment. Maintaining published specs isn't really any cheaper as the hardware changes all the time.
- kafitz22, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Could we get some open-source broadcom as well? plzthx from frustrated linux users.
- Gat0rvean, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Your drivers are belong to us.....please?
- PaulSu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1This is my reason why I stop purchasing ATI and Nvidia product new graphic card and recommend my company to look for alternative company.
- specialK16, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Well then, let's just reverse engineer them.
-
Show 51 - 70 of 70 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is