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- thesauce, on 10/12/2007, -22/+135are you kidding me? that is the most useless UI invention i have ever seen. sure it looks cool, but why the hell would my taskbar need physics? what's next? adding ragdoll physics to start menu items?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+62Icons jumping like crazy monkeys at the same time messing up the icon placement. A reason to forget Vista?
This cheesy UI is only useful if you want to show off to your dad. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/13/2007, -12/+62Some how Macs have a monopoly on eye candy.
Nobody is allowed to develop eye candy, without being labeled a copy cat.
Any eye candy other platforms get, always seems to generate accusations of copying apple...
Any eye candy others develop usually gets a large mac based crowd disliking it,
Theres about 3 or 4 different effects that on a regular basis get labeled as copy of Expose... which look nothing like Expose.
Everybody's Dock is an exact clone of Apples dock.
Years after widgets were invented Apple re-invents widgets/gadgets and now everyone who uses them or makes them is copying Apple.
Anyone who sells digital music is copying Apple, no matter what way they present it.
(There is no such thing as natural progression.)
Anyone who makes portable music players is copying Apple. Even if they were doing it first.
Anyone who nick names an operating system after an animal is copying Apple.
Mouse was Apples idea. Xerox who?
Again... There is no such thing as natural progression...
/Rant - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+57welcome to 6 months ago
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -9/+48What's this?
Penguins attacking penguins!?!
This energy is better spent slandering Apple or Microsoft!
...Or making DirectX work on a UNIX OS!
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+43@TomKarpik:
Do you understand how Linux works? It's not like the guy that is developing this is getting paid, and the feature will get implemented into all of Linux. All this is is an optional plugin for the Berly window manager.
I admit, it's stupid, but you still don't know what you're talking about. - joelhardi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37Hey haters, this is just a demo, it's not supposed to be useful. One person or team codes the engine and writes demos like this one to show people what it can do. Then UI designers (who couldn't code graphics interfaces to save their lives) step in and make the engine do something useful, or choose not to use it at all.
The cool thing about open source is we all get to see these rough proofs-of-concept, they aren't locked away in a vault in Cupertino. Ten years from now we'll all be nostalgic for this stuff the way people are now for the old Amiga boing ball and juggler demos. - daeken, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Is anyone else pissed off with everyone using dollar signs in place of 's'es in Microsoft and related names? I'm not a Windows user beyond what's necessary (IDA Pro is only usable on Windows) but it irritates me to see people in the community who are otherwise intelligent using such childish conventions.
- spindle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Why not? I know if I was smart enough to throw together something like that, I would have done it. It's a challenge. It looks cool. It looks fun.
It may not serve a purpose to the end user Linux user, but that doesn't mean a developer can't throw it together if only for their own amusement. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The name of the program is Kiba. Also known as the "Kiba Dock".
- pkkid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15You guys all complain about the usefulness of this program. What ever happened to allowing someone to write something fun when they get bored?
Or course it's useless, but its very cool. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Its the "nice factor"... which is almost the only reason why people get Macs.
Command Line is powerful and good in all. But a no-nonsense intuitive GUI is much better.
GUI will advertise features, allowing you to easily get what you want.
Command Line hides everything and requires a ???Syntax???
No Contest. - gamehack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Or just turn auto-hiding on so it doesn't take up any space when you don't need it.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18The Mac solution is buy a bigger screen. Heck you could afford the computer.
/sarcasm. - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Yeah cause you can't make something like that on Windows...
- naich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Useful? Nope. But it's something interesting to show non-geeks about Linux. Start going on about the benefits of a free operating system to a non-geek and their eyes will glaze over. Show them this and it'll provide an initial point of interest for them. Then you can start on the propoganda :)
- ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Looks really nice. Usefulness? I'm sure it would keep me occupied for at least a couple minutes, if nothing more :)
Nice find schestowitz! - capitapf, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15@ zugu
i dont know what you mean by "bloat", but if you look at the numbers KDE uses less system resources than gnome. so i suggest that instead of spending your time being a troll you should be doing some research.
oh, and coming from both a kde and gnome user this dock is worthless. fun maybe for 2 minutes but thats as far is it goes - neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I don't see why everyone has to bash this as not being useful.
I mean, sure, it's frivolous and I wouldn't use it personally - but if it weren't for people experimenting with new ideas, you'd all still be using Windows 3.1's Program Manager.
Compiz's wobbly windows are a bit frivolous too, but the other things it offers - Expose, fade in/out, unresponsive windows slowly greying out, desktop cube, true translucency, etc are all great from a usability perspective. - InsaneShow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7While I agree that this is useless in terms of how a person interacts with their PC; I can see a reason as to why this was created.
In Windows and Mac there are many ways to simply show off the 'power house' effect of their respected OS. Linux tends use its number crunching ability in more subtile ways. This is a good way for linux to show how it can quickly process both graphics and physics. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Looks cool, but not dugg because people who use $ in Microsoft are morons. Especially people who suddenly turn on Suse for trying to expand Linux.
- feralkid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Man, you people suck. No imagination. If developers didn't show any imagination what would we have? Imaginative ideas build on the shoulders of giants is what its all about.
It is a proof on concept idea, it shows what can be done. Now, someone will come along later and use the "concept" to make something very useful to the user.
This is the work of an OSS developer having some fun, doing what he enjoys doing. I enjoyed his work for what it is as I'm sure others did. One morning in days/weeks/months to come, some other developer will wake up and go, "Hey, I know a good practical use for that idea..."
Don't worry, you won't have to use the bouncing icons :) - prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Please try and understand why people are not happy about Novell's move with Microsoft before you disparage them.
http://news.samba.org/announcements/team_to_novell/
What Novell has done is basically get a patent protection umbrella from Microsoft which leaves MS free to sue other linux distributions while Novell can go around and say 'Look we are legit'. Like the Samba team says, its a divisive move. - Budman21901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I am a new linux user, and just got beryl to work few days ago. I am still amazed at what it can do considering Vista rated my system at a 1.0. I can't even use aero glass in vista, but i can use this in full with no problems. Why?
- jstroot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ok. It may be useless to most people, but it is still one more thing you can tweak on your UI.
There are some people who use the most stripped down desktop, and they're fine with that. On the other hand, there are those who enjoy these kinds of tweaks to create an inspiring work environment.
I remember when Windows 3.11 came out, and I figured out drag-n-drop copying. i showed this to one of my parents friends who was used to doing all of his work on the DOS command line. He thought the drag-n-drop was lazy and useless. Now, there are some who can't live without it. Am I saying that this goofy, icons-on-crack thing is gonna be the next drag-n-drop, NO!!!! I hope you can see the point I'm making here.
Bottom line, if you don't like it, don't install it. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"OSX uses #2 by default, and it sucks. Half the time you get only 90% of your screen because of the dock. I'll take more workspace over having to hit a button to see my desktop."
You realize that you can resize or auto-hide the dock, right? Then when you maximize (i.e. manually resize your windows to cover the screen since OS X doesn't have a true maximize feature), it doesn't interfere - scameronde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5> use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long
> since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do.
^^
That is the point! Gnome does not fit YOUR requirements. So
go ahead and use KDE. With me it is a different story. I love my Gnome
Desktop. It fits my requirements perfectly. I do not like KDE, because it
exposes too many features, it is too cluttered. (i have to use it one or two
times a month. The machine is up to date, so i am not using an old
version of KDE).
Yes, i like it simple and efficient. And that is what Gnome gives me, simplicity
and efficiency. For my requirements.
So we both should be glad that we have the choice. That is what Linux and
Open Source is about. - randomc0de, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Two reasons you don't want that:
1. You either have the dock cover up part of any open windows or
2. The dock takes up a percentage of the screen all the time.
OSX uses #2 by default, and it sucks. Half the time you get only 90% of your screen because of the dock. I'll take more workspace over having to hit a button to see my desktop. - SwampyUK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Could they? Whoever coded the effects has his specialist areas and driver development is radically different.
- SarcasticJerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Have you any idea how many useless ideas come from Apple? Tons! That's part of the development process. Bad ideas get trashed while good ideas make it into the final product. Often, good parts from bad ideas get integrated into final products.
The only difference here is that Open Source is transparent so you see the invention phase close-up and see all the bad ideas. - jeanmaxime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i had no problem to install it.
here is the debian package : http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-4930-edgy-kiba-dock-package
there's a lot of cool other features, but it's sometimes a bit slow on my computer. Cool to try, but i don't use it anymore. - taintparty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Micro$u$e? You must be the coolest 1337 haXX0rz on the planet. The creativity and 10-year-old charm of M$ revisited by some douche who thinks that it's funny or that MS would actually give a *****. Way to make fun of something on the Internet.
- mccord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Instead of copying, why not come up with a new UI paradigm? I suppose real work like that is too hard."
instead of bitching here on digg, why not post your new ideas on the mailing lists and enlighten those lazy developers? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Well i must say i'm impressed by the demo, and i'm glad that somebody coded that up. Definatly will make a few people say "hmm, maybe i should check out linux...."
but i still have to ask: why?
does having a physics engine control your icons really add to usability? I'm a command line/keyboard junkie myself (Ion3 ftw!) and i don't understand why people want these bells and whistles; this is why I switched *away* from win and mac. Somebody care to enlighten me? - mikeoh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Linux has the expose like effects and genie effects. Ok so they look cool but ultimately they don't really make you more productive. It's just eyecandy that takes system resources. And this goes for Vista, Mac OSX and Linux...
- kuribo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I agree, I was about to comment on this myself. OMG the company wants to make monies! They r evil!
Also, what's with the Suse bashing? So they're improving compatibility with Windows, and getting a ton of business from MicroSoft (see what I did with the "s" there?). And even if you don't like that partnership, this still works on Suse (to the best of my knowledge), so saying that this program is another reason to avoid Micro$u$e isn't really accurate. - V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Frozen Bobble is the reason to dump Windows, lets not get grandiose and say this is the reason to dump Windows. Yeesh. :-)
- Lutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3mikeoh:
Eye candy makes me more productive, it adds a "nice" feeling to working and I need it, that's why I would never switch to Linux till a dist like Ubuntu has a nice opengl gui (Which can be done now I know.). Tried working on Windows once and I'll try to avoid that in the future, maybe Vista is better.
In any case, I need my gui to be "nice" :) - Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3To me, a GUI lets me know that technology is moving forward. My first computer was a Commodore 64 where it was all typing. I like modern looking styles and lines....so what if it eats some of my system resources....I have them to burn!
- ArminPiTT, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7old program, not useful at all, but it is neat to throw around your icons for 30 seconds, after that it gets boring and you just want a dock thats stable and does the job, unfortunetly havent found anything on linux that just "works" yet....
- jeanmaxime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3have you seen the recent digg saying a new version of Wine has been released, permitting you to play WoW easier ?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hey, I said it was cool, i'm just saying it's not for me and i don't understand why people need/like eyecandy. (hmm, i guess that's kind of self-explanatory)
I fail to see how this is "no nonsense". And don't say "better". CLI is good for some people, GUI is good for others; they each have a niche.
as for the command line hiding things, i give you two commands:
apropos "search string"
man "command-name" - cesig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Buried for $pelling word$ with Dollar $ign$.
- guttertrash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2its old, and its not easy to install. its a pain in the ass to get working, not worth it. if there was a proper osx like dock for gnome i would use it tho. :)
- heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's perfectly understood, it's just that it's stupid and most of us don't care for the constant whining editorials.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oh you are right in many ways.
Just from a different perspective, if you don't know the command or how to use it... or worse still, you don't even know the command exists...
With a command line, you are stuck.
A GUI, is not always perfect. But it advertises its features, an a "one-two click" sort of way.
If you know the command line, right on. You won't have any problems with it. And it is usually way more powerful. - kingrayray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Someone may have already said this, but I don't think usability is the question, per se. I've been using kiba-dock off and on for several months. Now, I don't turn all the effects way up- i keep the effects simple. I like seeing the icon bounce *slightly* when I launch something. In today's Linux world where we have Compiz/Beryl, which 90% of it is useless candy, saying it's not useful is just plain obvious.
I understand that people use their computers to get things done, but a lot of us also enjoy having all the fancy effects. Not because we think of them as useful, it just adds a bit more "yum" to our interfaces.
I think I lost the point I was trying to make, but I really recommend people take the 20 minutes to check out kiba's svn and try it out. It's kinda fun, and the physics are fully configurable. The video demos of it are far too extreme. When confgured right, it's a perfectly nice dock. Seriously, give it a shot. :) - mbeauchez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What SEMW says is fud, Beryl (AIGLX & XGL) also run on the graphics card, not on the CPU. That's what the whole hype right now is about, hardware accelerated effects, not CPU done effects, that could be done years ago already with xcompmgr.
- rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Nah, its Mc Donald$, and always will be: You give them your money and what do you get in return? A well greased pile of "beef"...
What not to love about that? :P -
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