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- CharlesDarwin, on 10/12/2007, -22/+62I had no idea how gay that digg labs stuff was until now... Title should say Linux but I guess you want to put Ubuntu in the title to get on the front page.
- tmcc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Flash is proprietary junk.
Proprietary junk is okay when it has some niche use somewhere. But for a very common file format it really, really sucks.
I wish there was more momentum behind some kind of SVG+ format that can replace Flash. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Ahh as usual, a good Linux article being tagged with "Ubuntu" in the headline to get it onto the front page. The instructions aren't even remotely Ubuntu based and will work on any Linux system.
- ricperry1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Who cares if this "breaks some stuff" because it will make more stuff work than it breaks. Flash 9 is not released yet, and until it is, this alternative will at least allow access to some content not otherwise viewable.
By the way, when using this method, my video/audio stays in synch much better than using the Gnash plugin (which pretends to be Flash 8). - sebest, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17this may break some stuff, especially flash video, because if the video is encoded in flash video on2 vp6 (only available flash >= 8) if will not work and won't fall back to flash video sorenson spark (available in flash >= 7)
- gruvsf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18why would you want to view myspace?
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The worst thing about Flash is that it basically allows Adobe to break half the internet for any platform they want to (or just don't feel like addressing.) Also, probably 95% of the flash online is actually detrimental to the user's experience, through design or incompetance. It really needs to be replaced by some open standard so it can operate independantly of Adobe. Macromedia was almost trustworthy, but Adobe is just flat out evil; they have a long track record of unethical behavior and legal action.
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+101] Link goes to something called Xubuntu Blog so why isn't the title 'Flash 9 for Xubuntu?'
2] Yes yes, Xubuntu is Ubuntu with a different desktop. But since you went through the thought process of changing Ubuntu to Xubuntu why didn't you just change it to Linux since this hack is very clearly not limited to [X]Ubuntu?
Everyone stop with all the Ubuntu stories that are applicable to Linux in general. I say this as a Kubuntu user. (No I'm not a noob and yes I can install Debian.) - usherzx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11anything it breaks isn't worth looking at anyway haha
we've been missing out on too much as it is - pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18eh... i think you just wish advertisers would quit making flash advertisements...
and you can easily filter those out with adblock.
thats NO REASON to wish something like that on such a great dev program. Flash has MANY more uses than annoying you... sorry to burst the bubble friend. - tomwsmf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Works as advertised..its a hack therefor its going to fall down and go boom at some point in use...but that it works at all is the story here. Hats off to the power of the config file proving once again that words have power.
digg - igutekunst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5" . .but it works on sites like Myspace." Yeah, I love looking at flash ads too.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You forgot about Kevin Rose. If you can't get to the front page with Kevin Rose and Ubuntu, then you're a mac phreak.
- bonked, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8wine and windows firefox and the Adobe plug-in works for me.
- Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Exactly, that's what I'm doing and it's a much better solution that the one in this digg. (maybe I should write my own article about installing wine and firefox on Ubuntu and get some digg action...)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8So use mplayer, you dumbass.
- peregrine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Flash to me is great. Firstly I don't need to have crappy Windows Media PLayer or Apple Quicktime. I supremly hate downloading Real media player to watch videos. And know what? If you don't like flash uninstall the flash plugin and try to enjoy the internet media?
Flash is good. Flash plugins for linux 2 revisions behind is bad. Adobe working on this problem is good.
2 good 1 bad. - 07734, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I understand how people have an aversion to Flash, a high percentage of Flash sites online are simply dreadful.
However I find a regular need to defend Flash's advantages, it's cross-platform compatibility which allows developers to ensure things look and work the same no matter upon what machine, operating system or browser they are viewed, with incredible ease (plug-in assuming). It's ability to smooth the users experience buy streaming content in to the users requirements. How it's flexibilities allow for stimulating interactive experiences, useful for entertainment and education alike.
The real reason I defend it though, is that it's the program that got me into 'programming'. A use of Flash which is often not exploited is to help those interested in programming get a simple starting block with immediate results.
Fuelling the embers of intrigue into the world of coding by offering them real results, on screen, animating and interacting. Is often a lot more encouraging than a straight text based output.
However, it's this same 'My First Coding' ease which accounts for the vast number of awful manifestations of Flash I suppose. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I do that too but I notice a performance hit when viewing high quality flash video. When ABC.com had their shows online, the video was watchable but wasn't as smooth.
- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10"Flash has MANY more uses than annoying you... sorry to burst the bubble friend."
Actually, Flash's uses are extremely limited and if it were not for advertisements it may have already died on its own.
High quality video, available since Flash 8, is one of the very few uses in which Flash may be the best at due to its ubiquity (sans Linux). - MrTea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd rather wait for Flash 9; especially since flash on linux doesn't sync very well.
- ThePilgrim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4To provide small user interactive content I feel flash is great...
It entertains the minds of the children we once were.
Nice tweak - the same method would work with any Linux distro. - bitswapper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Flash tempts web site builders to 'do everything in flash' because of all the cool animations. It like putting them on meth, and they end up with gigantic home pages that take forever to load. Yes flash is cool, but it turn otherwise normal web developers into 'flash whores'.
- benplaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, actually it's about a software company refusing to put more effort into releasing a version of their software.
This is the community striking back with a temporary (but not foolproof) solution. - MySchizoBuddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does any one know if flash is multi treaded. Can it use dual core processors or not.
- bitswapper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually, in my experience, windows users are far more accustomed to 'things breaking' than everyone else combined. Why else is it they put up with so much rampant dysfunctionality? The windows admins I know often just 'reboot' in order to 'fix' something, as do scores of users, and just accept that as the state of affairs. Too bad really.
- RWTechgage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is why 'experienced' Linux users are getting sick of Ubuntu. Even when things are not specific to Ubuntu in the least... it has to be included into the title in order to be read =/
Hell, that hack looks like it would work for Windows. - AlphaMack, on 09/26/2008, -22/+24I wish that Flash would die a horrible death. But then again it's wishful thinking.
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That just means another plugin. It doesn't mean people would stop developing for flash. IMHO, the guy who gives a lot of money (or any corporate sponser like Novell) to ubuntu needs to get behind one of the open source versions and reverse flash 9, so linux is not crippled like this. The samba guys did it, and it can be done with flash.
I know flash is a steaming pile. But we still live in a windows world and people need it to browse the internet. People will not move to linux if they can't get to their websites. - midwinter, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Agreed, Flash is awful.
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I know there's an Ubuntu backlash, but that doesn't mean Ubuntu is for n00bs. Maybe n00bs use Ubuntu, but not everyone who uses Ubuntu is a n00b. I see this all the time. Someone using Linux uses "Ubuntu" when they mean "Linux" and then everyone says, "well Ubuntu is for n00bs". Well, a lot of people who are new to Linux use Ubuntu, and some people say "Ubuntu" when they mean Linux and some people are really n00bish and use Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean Ubuntu os for n00bs.
- mannu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mitrovarr: What does openness (open format like SVG) have to do with user experience? How will replacing Flash with SVG guarantee that bad designers don't create bad experiences with SVG? I think they're two different things. Flash is good for games and other fancy stuff; Flex (Flash-based UI framework--like GTK or Qt or whatever) is good for creating applications. We have bad experiences because there was no standard UI toolkit for Flash, so everyone started creating their own buttons, combo boxes, etc., each with a different (possibly broken) experience, no support for accessibility, etc. Now that's all fixed with Flex. See flex.org.
- benplaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tested and confirmed on Arch Linux.
So there. - Spud1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1agreed - to a point.
Flash has its uses - just like java (but thats another discussion =0) but it is used far, far too much.
Its fine to use a bit here and there, for example for the odd fun web-based game, or flash movies, or for things like presentations when you don't own powerpoint.
My problem with it is when people do entire websites in it (eg most band websites these days). Its not big, its not clever, it just sucks up bandwidth, plays annoying sounds at you and, more often than not, makes navigation almost impossible (due to people 'playing' with the features flash/action script can offer you.)
So maybe it shouldn't die - but it should certainly be used less on the net. This is why I use opera with flash disabled for most web browsing - and then switch to IE for the times when I need flash-enabled websites...which co-incidentally usually require IE to work properly..hmm so using flash AND poorly coded..maybe not so much of a co-incidence - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Xilion -
Adobe would happen to disagree with you on that matter.
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/systemreqs/ - aroedl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Works great! Thanks!
- championchap, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5yes.. adobe are fairly evil, but they bought macromedia.. its still the macromedia flash developers working on flash, but now it has the adobe logo slaped in.
hopefully not a big deal, unless they start bloating it with pdf intergration.. - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8@Rub3X: Troll.
Only ONE update broke Ubuntu (read: the x server), how many updates broke Windows? hmm Windows 3.1, Windows 95... :P - bonked, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5It does come from the Kubuntu blog though - so the source I would guess is biased and was likely the only distro tested.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0And you would want the processor-sucking application to be multi-threaded why? Flash is an excellent example of why you dont want all apps to be multi-threaded.
- Tiscan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I always laugh when people say "Wait for the next version of X!". To me that just points out how horrible something is, so much so that good things can't be said of it currently and people have to reach into the future to put a better light on it. Needless to say Flash and Windows are a constant source of amusement for me.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3haha "oh no, my precious myspace page has been taken over! ZOMG!"
- Metal_Hurlant, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Myspace doesn't force people to use flash 9 to be mean to linux people.
They're doing it to protect their users from a security hole in flash 7 and flash 8.
By using this hack, you are putting yourself at risk to bump into a malicious flash movie embedded on a myspace page that takes over your myspace account in various evil ways.
Of course, this isn't myspace-centric. Any site that allows users to embed flash content and has taken the decision to enforce flash 9 players is doing so to protect users from that security issue.
Ignore this at your own risk. - Hootyea, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3OH NOES! FLASH REDIRECTS TO PHISHING PAGES!
I'm so getting modded down for this. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4they should have made flash 9 for linux before releaseing it........... adobe is a bunch of windows fan boys!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1"Why else is it they put up with so much rampant dysfunctionality? "
What's this article about? Oh yea something not working in Linux. It's very hard to deal with people as stupid as you. - nazsco, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1so, seven apt-get update a day would kill you from laughing?
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Adobe is not evil, Photoshop is one of the most coveted Imaging Suites available.
- championchap, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4umm, so you guys would rather shockwave came back from the grave?
rediculous.. flash is great when its used right, stop whining about something just because you cant have it.
thats like mac users saying "PC GAMES ARE T3H SUX0RZ!!11!", just get over it.. flash 9 is coming, see what you are missing. -
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