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- warmcat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+42''...this distribution is the most advanced GNU/Linux distribution that has a commitment to be 100% free. ...''
Uh.... More advanced than the committed 100% Free Fedora Core 6, after all those binary blobs were taken out of Ubuntu and the WiFi doesn't work anymore... I would be surprised if what is left is measurably better or perhaps even as good as FC6.
FSF, you're starting to give me the willies. It's one thing to be the monopoly custodian of GPL versioning, but now you're in the Linux Distro business too, and making remarks that other distros that are in the same "100% free" space are less advanced? Like it's headed that the authority of controlling the GPL will be used to piss on other distros as not as Free or not as Good?
I for one do not welcome our new Holier and Allegedly More Advanced Than Thou overlords. - Klowner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29sounds dangerously like gNuisance when said aloud.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Give me a decent video card with open source drivers -- I will buy it over ATI and NVIDIA even if it's a little bit more expensive.
1. I would not have security issues as I have now with Nvidia driver.
2. I would not have problems everytime I upgrade my kernel.
3. driver will most likely not suck and will get better in time. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -12/+30I know that the FSF is theoretically on our side, but I still can't help but feel like they're a bunch of pompous asses in that building in Boston.
- HoppyChris, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17G'Nuisance?
- Hardcase, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21100% more free, 50% less usable! Hooray!
- Jumangi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Wow a gimped linux distro so the FSF can stick to their Utopian beliefs.
I guess with this release they can all dance around a big fire and sing 'Kum by Ya' together... - FuzzyCat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15
... is that fully-free as in fully free from all the apps and codecs etc that you really wanted so now you'll need to get them elsewhere? No mp3 etc ????
bungholio! - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I think they had a typo in that story:
"With all the kernel firmware and restricted repositories removed, and the reliance on Ubuntu's proprietary distribution management tool Launchpad gone, this distribution.." will more than likely never work correctly on any hardware. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"oh, not another Distribution! Why not spend their skills and time to something that is already great - Ubuntu!"
OK, I get really tired of this every time I hear someone imply that the creation of a new distro is creating a deficit in some limited magical bank of open source hackers. Frankly, stripping out all the nonfree parts from Ubuntu is not *that* much work, and any work they accomplish on replacing nonfree components with free implementations will be submitted upstream, *which is a good thing*.
Shuttleworth himself said that Ubuntu was created to be a platform off of which other projects and build, and a completely free version of Ubuntu is not only legitimate but sorely needed for those who have problems with nonfree components. - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14great idea guys. lets release a Linux distro which wont work on most wifi or video cards.
why would any sane person even want this distro? - tupuli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"so hes a bit of an idealist, hes still fighting the good fight, on the right side."
If he scares off businesses that would otherwise support Linux, is he still on the right side?
Which would promote OSS more, 10% marketshare w/ some binary only packages or 0.1% marketshare w/ an idealistic purpose? OSS should co-exist with non-OSS software, give people choices, not force them into your ideology. - bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11None of the proprietary bits ship with Ubuntu. They need to be pulled in through APT using a modified sources.list.
And you'll be able to do the same with this distro. So why? Not to mention the FSF distro is Debian. On which Ubuntu is based, to state the obvious.
So again - Why? - joelito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10So..
This is THE official GNU/Linux distro? - cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I thought that, but I assumed a silent g ...
- vondur, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12This will be the official distro of dirty non-bathing hippies all over the world!
- GuyHitByTruck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's GUH-Nuisance. Get it right!
- dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The FSF have always struck me as being the radical fundamentalists of the Linux/Open Source movement (They don't even affiliate themselves with it really, that's how radical they are). Personally I want my stuff to just work and if I have to install proprietary software to get my 3d acceleration and pr0n working, so be it.
If everyone followed their way of thinking we'd be viewing the Internet in a console browsing Emacs plug-in and only able to interact with 2% of the media in the world.
Sorry but no thanks. I'll take the middle road because true freedom comes from having the choice to compromise. Most people are more than happy with 1 or 2 freedoms out of the 4 that the FSF spouts on about anyway. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"dirty non-bathing hippies"
Welcome to the Department of Redundancy Department :) - bbrazil, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8>None of the proprietary bits ship with Ubuntu. They need to be pulled in through APT using a modified sources.list.
Not so, Ubuntu enables restricted by default. Also main contains non-free firmware in the kernel. Also for some reason /lib/firmware is in main rather than restricted - although the scripts to use it are in restricted.
> And you'll be able to do the same with this distro. So why? Not to mention the FSF distro is Debian. On which Ubuntu is based, to state the obvious.
The FSF's distro is not Debian. Debian has non-free stuff in the kernel, and the non-free component.
A list of free distros can be found at
http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions - scotte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think it's gnonsense myself.
- Wyzard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The whole point of gNewSense is that it's meant for people who *do not want* any sort of non-free software on their system, at all, whatsoever.
If your next step after installing it would be to download proprietary drivers to make your hardware work, why would you install it in the first place? Stick with whatever distro you're already using. - agent156, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The FSF and RedHat don't have the same Idea of freedom. Many people wouldn't call FC more advanced than Debian/Ubuntu. Advanced is a subjective call.
Just try and find any *inxish system that even comes close to the kind of "Freedom" that the FSF advocates. Long after the Linux kernerel is gone we'll still be using the GNU system, even OpenBSD (who's founders hate the GPL) can't get rid of the the GNU in thier system. Not because the FSF is strong arming them, but because they haven't been able to pull together the manpower/time to replace things like GCC.
This isn't a project that was started by the FSF either. It's one they are suporting now that it is started. - kdavid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Give me freedom, or give me functionality.
- martian, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Yeah, I'm on Ubuntu right now, and I feel SOOOOO un-free.
wtf is the fsf talking about? - pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They can't sing Kumbaya, it is copyrighted by The Croton Press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbaya - Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Up next on digg "How to hack gNewSense to play DVDs and other proprietary codecs"
- DJC1983, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I will only use a flavour of linux and software that was written at least 500 kilometers from the nearest profit making business.
- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7cool, got an official torrent? if so i will download a torrent of gNewSense and let it seed for a week or two so others can download it...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Dont want non-free software? Dont install it.
- Eising, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ok, this is really lame. First you take a free-as-in-speech distribution, Debian. Extract it's unstable branch and make it a working environment. Then you add proprietary drivers, and lots of not-entirely-free-as-in-free-speech applications, make it popular and call it something fancy. Then you remove all those things again, and what do you end up with? Debian Sid with a name noone can relate to. Ubuntu only with completely free/libre stuff is Debian. Now get it, will you!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4so hes a bit of an idealist, hes still fighting the good fight, on the right side.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5i'll seed too ;)
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3well, they added emacs and build-essential to the default install so that's a small sign they're thinking of existing linux users, rather than just the converts.
- pufuwozu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I want it because it stands for what I think is important. It's pretty hard to find a good distro that is 100% free software, if gNewSense does it - I'm there.
- bbrazil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3We setup a torrent last night. See http://torrent.gnewsense.org
- Apreche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5And maybe 100 crazy people will use it. People want a Linux distro that has more of the really good non-free stuff. They want Nvidia drivers, ndiswrappers, java, flash plugins and w32codecs. Sure, if those things were free and working, people would use the free version. The sad truth is that they aren't free, but are necessary for a desktop operating system. The less of these things you have, the more nobody cares about your distro. Part of the reason Ubuntu is so popular is it makes it really easy to pop this stuff in.
- xaerius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Has anyone else noticed that the logo seems to have taken all of three seconds and nearly zero thought to create?
- CuCullin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I read it exactly the same...
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I think you guys have missed the point.
It's about time that GNU got off their asses and actually produced an OS rather continually bitching about other distributions' "non-freedom" without offering a viable alternative. - ninjacob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It's funny to see comments by people who don't understand the difference between free beer and free speech.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agreed. Militantly Free Software.
If FSF wants to fork and control its own strain with its own goals, Debian would seem the obvious choice. - ompaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Richard M Stallman calls himself the Chief Gnuisance.
G for GNU, with a little twist we get, Gnu = gNew, Sense - it is so easy to understand now.
And that is how it was developed, or at least how I remember it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I predict that a year from now gNewSense will be another forgotten project.
Lovely ideals, but as many have written, to make it usable for things most people want to do they have to go get all of that proprietary stuff themselves, so why bother with it? - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3do we really have to keep pointing this out? I think it was a pretty obvious play on words...
- olyar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm thinking of installing this, but am wondering if anyone has developed a script to put all the non-free stuff back on it so I can play my mp3's and stuff...
Yes. I'm kidding. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What is about free software that every bit of the nomenclature has to sound like slang a red neck made for a homoerotic act?
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5why are you being dugg up? ubuntu doesn't include mp3 codecs either, how is this any different...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its called Ubuntu and automatix
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