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- sanmarcos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Your comment is of an ignorant person.
Debian and Ubuntu share development teams. 90% of the Gnome stuff is the same in both distros.
I've been using Debian for more than 6 years. Now people who contributed hundreds of hours into debian, have to put up with the disrespect of newcomers to Ubuntu. While I agree it is extremely well done, and very polished, its user group is full of newbies (just go into #ubuntu(Freenode).
Debian is a distribution for power users. If it was not for Debian, Ubuntu would not even exist.
That being said. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY, Visceral - SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Yes, but you never see stupid ***** like "Oops we packaged the wrong C++ compiler version so you can't compile any kernel modules" or "Oops, yeah, Anaconda doesn't work".
Debian is **stable**. - airmann90, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Digg, the Soap Opera of the Internet...
- sanmarcos, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Debian: Even hell freezes faster.
- mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yes, Visceral, let's stop all innovation and see where it leads.
- john43, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18@Visceral
***** you, *****. - bberg07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11One has to give credit to debian and the development community. They've created one hell of an OS that is great in high-demand server environments. Just take a look at digg, all of the servers are powered by debian. I've installed and used probably ten different distros in a server environment in just the last three years, and debian was probably one of the easiest and most secure setups.
- NathanBalon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I look forward to trying out Debian 4.0. I don't think that Debian is aim at power users, sanmarcos. The difference between Debian and Ubuntu is that Debian aims at stability while Ubuntu aims to bring the lasts features of Linux quickly to the users.
- mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8SuperSloth, any distro can be what you want it to be. They're all based on the linux kernel, everything else is just user preference.
- aztechclan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5hell doesn't have anywhere close to the uptime that my debian server does!
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Then just use etch. All it takes is a simple change in /etc/apt/sources.list. It's perfectly fine for desktop environments.
- brotherjohn1234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Note to myself: torrent etch to see the early birds.
- mattwestm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I use debian because I use fluxbox. I tried ubuntu, but could never see how nice it looks since I use fluxbox. I think that debian has a more "professional" user group though.
- grimw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What I do is use -stable but add -testing sources to my sources.list. Then I setup APT to use -stable by default, and this lets me selectively use packages from -testing that I think I want or need.
- Agabus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Debian Stable is great, I am waiting for Etch to become stable to start using Stable again on my laptop in place of Ubuntu. I love Debian Stable, but the packages in Sarge are too old for my liking, and I don't want to update the stuff manually via other repositories (eg Gnome, X.org) because to me that defeats the purpose of the Debian Stable 'idea/philosophy'.
Bring on etch. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@kodek
At least he did something useful. - lolwtfhaha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love Debian Stable. Sure, there are bugs, but at least they are there and they stay there unless they are huge. We just spent several hours tracking down a behavior change from the latest php5 package for debian (from backports.org) since our developers didn't want to use php4. Sure enough, from 5.1.2 to 5.1.4 something changed and broke the existing code.
On the other hand, there are some things I would like now, but am willing to wait for-- amd64 and NFS v4 for example. I'd much rather have stability. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If we all contribute and he drops below -100 it will send a message to all spammers that Digg users won't put up with it.
- thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4don't block him, bury him. blocking him will keep yourself from seeing him, but others won't.
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You just made me want to go get some cheese.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why? His message is still there, and people are rather likely to manually un-bury the post to read what it is we're discussing.
- hobophobe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Click the little block user button for this cat. Nip him in the bud.
- Marthinus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As a Dapper Drake user I must agree with the stability. I do not have the latest toys available to me, XGL comes to mind, but my laptop is stable and fast, and because I use it for everyday work and it isn't just a toy a prefer the stability over the latest cutting edge toys etc.
- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Of course you can do whatever you want. You could use Win2k3 Server as a desktop OS, or use Win2k Pro as a file/print server (it actually does that rather well). Nevertheless, each distro is built with specific design intents in mind, and those distro choices should not be ignored when it comes time to select your OS.
Debian is designed to be 100% FOSS and highly stable. Thus, it makes a good server distro. However, new packages are often slow to be released for Debian's apt, meaning desktop users will not be able to utilize new features.
Ubuntu, OTOH, is designed to be easy to use with the intent of speading FOSS software to all people. Therefore, it makes a very good desktop OS. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dude, backports.org is not Debian stable. I suspect you actually understand this, but your comment is misleading at best. What you're running is *not* Debian stable, but rather Debian stable with a few updated packages from backports.org.
Your experience is not reflective of the distribution at all. Stable's _primary purpose_ is to avoid the very problem you mentioned. That problem being, that newer versions of software can break things and this a bad thing (tm). It's also *very very bad* (unacceptable) in a server environment when upgrades break things. Stable fills this niche; it has security upgrades but no change to the featureset of packages whatsoever. In this way it is ensured that nothing ever breaks, such as in your PHP incident, while remaining up-to-date security-wise. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Debian is designed to be 100% FOSS and highly stable. Thus, it makes a good desktop distro.
To be completely honest, Debian's slogan is the "universal" operating system, so thhat's probably the real design goal--an elusive goal indeed. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're right. I personally hit show comment on *everything* to read the conversation uncut. Too bad Digg's threshold preference DOES NOT WORK--mine set to show all, but the threshold is always set to -4 when I open comments pages.
Blocking seems to be the best option. It is a more permanent solution than burying a single comment. I wonder what the "report" part of block/report is, i.e. how do the admins respond when many users block/report another user. - thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8congratulations, you have both just epitomized what the idiots on both sides of the fence look like
- mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7"Debian is a distribution for power users."
Not really man. Like 2-3 years ago, before ubuntu, debian was considered by many to be the "easy" distro.
Try gentoo or slackware or arch. - SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3Debian = server
Ubuntu = desktop - scottyang83, on 10/12/2007, -17/+0hello
- Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -28/+1Debian? It evolved into Ubuntu. Debian is for dinosaurs. Die already.
- Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -34/+1"That being said. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY, Visceral"
Wants some cheese with whine? Pft. I could care less about the Debian community even if it did lead to Ubuntu. Take your elitist Debian ***** and shove it up your collective asses. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -52/+0http://www.call2biz.com
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