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Coming along strong: first look at openSUSE 11 beta 2
arstechnica.com — We tested openSUSE 11 beta 2 using both the KDE and GNOME LiveCD installers. Although it is still a work in progress, we found that it has a lot of impressive features.
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- puelocesar, on 05/05/2008, -17/+2That's nice, but when we get specific stuff for eeepc like mandriva?
- jimthenglishman, on 05/05/2008, -2/+63this might end up being the first time in a while a distro besides ubuntu reaches the front page…
- DeathGod321, on 05/05/2008, -1/+8Well now the secret's out. Maybe some day Gentoo will reach the front page, not that they'll know what the ***** is going on.
- T8erT0T, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Fedora9 could make some waves
- zwaldowski, on 05/06/2008, -0/+8Naw, I swear SUSE is better.
- arcticblue, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Yeah, if Fedora 9 is anything like Fedora 8, I'll pass. 8 has way too many problems (although I love the default theme).
- T8erT0T, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Fedora9 could make some waves
- peestandingup, on 05/05/2008, -11/+3ANY Lunux news gets dugg up to the front page, no matter how miniscule. They take what they can get.
- jimthenglishman, on 05/06/2008, -2/+4is lunux like lunix, the hacker os?
- peestandingup, on 05/06/2008, -3/+1Yeah, its code name is typo.
- jimthenglishman, on 05/06/2008, -2/+4is lunux like lunix, the hacker os?
- DeathGod321, on 05/05/2008, -1/+8Well now the secret's out. Maybe some day Gentoo will reach the front page, not that they'll know what the ***** is going on.
- ncraig, on 05/05/2008, -3/+40I've always been a huge openSUSE fan, I found it better than Ubuntu in a lot of ways and I can't wait for 11
- krische, on 05/05/2008, -2/+9each has their niche. it seems like ubuntu is mostly meant for a desktop environment. Whereas, openSUSE and fedora are good for desktops but also work great as servers.
- jcaino, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5Ubuntu does make a server-specific distro too. Wouldn't be my first choice as a server OS (FreeBSD) but it is available.
- ralphthemagi, on 05/05/2008, -1/+7Other way around IMO. Ubuntu makes a lean, mean server, and the LTS releases are supported for 5 years. You can have a web stack, complete with SSH and iptables, in about 30 minutes from install to live.
SUSE and RedHat are much more focused on the workstation and server/workstation relationship. The real difference between RedHat/SUSE and Ubuntu though is that SUSE and RedHat are both RPM based.
- Herolint, on 05/05/2008, -2/+4Really? I've always found SuSE to be prettier (as in default background images and themes), but slower to boot up and run, and YaST has always been a bit of a suckfest.
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2YaST does kind of suck, but after a while it's not so bad. At least I know where to go to configure hardware (It does okay at that, so I no longer have to drop a shell to do some of my hardware configuration if something goes wrong.)
- calcium20, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2I guess they really fixed up package management for 11 can anyone attest? I can't install the beta on my laptop :(
- MikeCerm, on 05/06/2008, -3/+3YaST is the perfect example of why Linux will never amount to anything in the consumer market. Think about it: if you're coding something, and thinking of calling it "Yet another...", shouldn't you just stop?
As far as I'm concerned, SUSE is YaLD, and the world just doesn't need yet another Linux Distro. I don't care if it is the 3rd or 4th most popular. I'd really like to see the Linux world get organized and produce a serious alternative to Windows. The world really needs one good Linux distro, not 100 mediocre ones (which is what we have now). - oobuntu, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2yast is the reason why my username is not opensoose.
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2YaST does kind of suck, but after a while it's not so bad. At least I know where to go to configure hardware (It does okay at that, so I no longer have to drop a shell to do some of my hardware configuration if something goes wrong.)
- ptFoe, on 05/06/2008, -2/+1yeah you won't get sued by your pimp Microsoft
- mossblaser, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2SuSE is my all time favorite distro if you ignore the package manager. Everything else about it is just so very professional. The installer, system config manager, default themes and very professional boot and login screens all add up to something very very solid feeling. The package manager is what lets it down. its *slow* and in my experience very unreliable and quite difficult to use. Debian still rules the way on package managers and Ubuntu possibly in being professional and easy. The new version of SuSE seems to have a prettey epic improvement to their package manager and if they've sorted that out I'll almost certainly switch (SuSE is better in most ways in my oppinion).
- krische, on 05/05/2008, -2/+9each has their niche. it seems like ubuntu is mostly meant for a desktop environment. Whereas, openSUSE and fedora are good for desktops but also work great as servers.
- krische, on 05/05/2008, -2/+20Looks like quite the change with KDE 4. Doesn't look that much different with GNOME.
- whiteguysamurai, on 05/05/2008, -1/+12Gnome does need a facelift.
- google01103, on 05/05/2008, -2/+6it not the look that matters with kde it's the ability to customize it that makes it so great
- yetAnotherCroc, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3then you will hate KDE4
- depro9, on 05/05/2008, -42/+1Why would I want another Micro$haft product?
- apokryphos, on 05/05/2008, -1/+18Take your FUD elsewhere. Read: http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS
- Dohko_Xar, on 05/05/2008, -1/+11Wow, there is only one thing wrong with that comment, but it's one huge mistake!
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -2/+3Go back to bed.
- hadak, on 05/05/2008, -4/+9Last time I tried openSUSE, I had real problems with YaST right out of the box. I couldn't even install or update programs. I'm sure it was just a bad egg, but I've never had an issue like that with Ubuntu that it wasn't something I (stupidly) did.
- superppl, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5You must have been using openSUSE 10.1. I know what you're talking about, the YaST package manager was almost completely broken in that version, and most people either used Smart, or didn't use 10.1 at all. However, this problem does not exist in more recent versions, and openSUSE 11 is coming out really nicely. I think you should take it for another spin when it comes out, and live installer cd's are already available. (Well, they're beta, but still you don't have to install it. ;) )
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2I /still/ use smart ever since then. OpenSuSE 11 improves some things about their package manager and ruins other things.
- hadak, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Actually, that was the version I used. I liked everything else, but YaST was miserable. Glad to know it was a fluke. I might end up giving it a shot...but for now, XP on my gaming machine, and 10.5 on my Macbook are perfect for me.
- srg13, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3I was running 10.1 for about six months... The package manager not working at all, and YaST configuration applets being really, really slow (maybe because there wasn't a GTK version then) drove me to Ubuntu.
- superppl, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5You must have been using openSUSE 10.1. I know what you're talking about, the YaST package manager was almost completely broken in that version, and most people either used Smart, or didn't use 10.1 at all. However, this problem does not exist in more recent versions, and openSUSE 11 is coming out really nicely. I think you should take it for another spin when it comes out, and live installer cd's are already available. (Well, they're beta, but still you don't have to install it. ;) )
- airencracken, on 05/05/2008, -18/+6YaST is a horrible package management system. I've had nothing but trouble with it when I've tried openSUSE. Not only that, but I still distrust Novell and their Microsoft partnership.
- apokryphos, on 05/05/2008, -2/+15openSUSE 11.0 contains a new package management system which is actually insanely fast. See http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/296
Also, re: Microsoft, just read http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS - mossblaser, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1YaST isn't just a package manager. The package system it drives (rpm) is horrible and unreliable as you say but the rest of YaST is just so userfriendly and feature complete.
- apokryphos, on 05/05/2008, -2/+15openSUSE 11.0 contains a new package management system which is actually insanely fast. See http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/296
- neferiousrich, on 05/05/2008, -1/+9there is NO WAY that K-Fed understands that many acronyms.
- Haxxormaster, on 05/05/2008, -2/+3What download speed is everyone else getting with the dvd torrent?
- tobyadams, on 05/05/2008, -3/+2we will see...
- NecroDigg, on 05/05/2008, -21/+2Linux sucks, Real Men use IRIX.
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -5/+2Correction, Real Men aren't geeks.
Geeks use Linux.
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -5/+2Correction, Real Men aren't geeks.
- ptFoe, on 05/05/2008, -27/+3Proudly funded by Microsoft. Suse the Vista of Linux.
- apokryphos, on 05/05/2008, -4/+13Take your FUD somewhere else and just read: http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -2/+7What are the children doing awake at this time?
- alterImperson, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5Who cares who funds it? Its not a Microsoft product, and even if it were, Suse is a good Linux distro. To disparage a product simply because of possible (but nonexistent) Microsoft influence is just stupid. I love my Xbox 360 though I use Ubuntu and love the whole idea behind Linux.
- randumbusername, on 05/09/2008, -0/+0if microsoft can ride the coattails of an open source os and be part of making it successful im all for it. success for linux equals partnerships.
- mizike, on 05/06/2008, -12/+1saying a linux distro is a "work in progress" is like saying water is wet....linux as a whole has been a work in progress since 1992....maybe one of these days a distro will get to a point where it's a reasonable option for the average desktop user, but i'm not holding my breath....
- atilano, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3I find Ubuntu to be a very user friendly OS. I've tried Open SUSE before and I'd have to say the same. Simply put, the reason why most find Linux difficult to get used to is because most are used to the Window$ OS. You have to actually give linux a fair chance.
- Burn, on 05/06/2008, -2/+3I have to say, Ubuntu 8.04 really is nearly there. I've been using it on my MacBook Pro for over a week and have used the commandline the whole of once - to build my wireless drivers from the development trunk (The MBP is unsupported in the current stable build).
Other than that everything 'just works'. - superppl, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Linux distro's have been desktop ready for at least 5 years (as long as I've been using it), if not more.
Besides, it's usually a user error rather than an computer problem. Do ID-Ten-T errors ring a bell? - nmnnotmyname, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2Well someone doesn't understand how development works.
You probably wouldn't know since the last time you tried it was 1992 in the first place.
- solarwind24, on 05/06/2008, -0/+10If it's one thing that OpenSUSE should be known for, it should be its beautiful aesthetics and next-generation user interface design. The KDE4 look and feel is amazing, and, personally, I like it better than the default KDE4 black theme.
Only one thing, it would be perfect if those little blue squares behind the system tray icons were made transparent.
On the other hand, Gnome hasn't changed much on the surface, it's been improving more so under the hood.- Appleboi4evr, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2 the system tray icons are suppose to be transparent, its a bug among many in kde 4 that still have to be ironed out. it occurs with changing themes.
a redesign to yast (make it faster), release opensuse 11 with amarok 2 and firefox 3 (final) and I'll be switching in june.
i wish they positioned themselves with the release of kde 4.1 but that would have been a month later (july 29)
the only thing left is the overwhelming population of pretty terrible and half-assed kde apps available that should be cleaned/purged/developed in kde.
- Appleboi4evr, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2 the system tray icons are suppose to be transparent, its a bug among many in kde 4 that still have to be ironed out. it occurs with changing themes.
- charlieplex, on 05/06/2008, -0/+4I've been using suse for years and can't wait for this release. After giving kubuntu a shot since 7.10, I have to assume most ubuntu users have never even tried suse.
- HerbSolo, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Kubuntu kinda sucks, i assume, you have never even tried Ubuntu?
- kiwimonk, on 05/06/2008, -0/+5I run suse 10.3 fulltime as a server. the only thing i want from a new suse is a faster package management! apt-get update is instant.. 20 minutes just to install one package in suse :/
- apokryphos, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3Package management in 11.0 IS instant, just see http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/296 :-)
- sven423, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Package management is said to be much faster in 11.0
- anshuman, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3though the microsoft deal with Suse/Novell kinda reminds me something bad about it, in all, I love OpenSuse's 'polishness' to gnome etc (specially Gnome-main-menu Slab thing which i cant get to work in my fedora installs) . apart from all the Microsoft polital thing Opensuse is really good choice.
and yes it will be one rare time where other_than_buntu story gets Frontpage time :)
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