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- PeppinoUsuraio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20a control center is worthless with the current drivers.
Instead it will be better if they focus on improving those ***** fglrx - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Put the resources on the drivers instead of some damn GUI.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I don't give a ***** about their control panel front end. ARE THE DRIVERS FIXED YET?!?!?!
- tmanka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15F- em .... I will not buy ATI again until there is a major turn around for linux support. Nvidia has them beat hands down on Linux support. I regret getting my ATI Card.
- Soldierboi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+10FINALLY, have been waiting for this for some time now. I do believe that AMD/ATI is finally coming around, albeit slowly, but coming around nonetheless.
- klepto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2263/slide09lx6.gif
Since PCPER complains of theft - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yep. ATi claimed they supported Linux and were going to improve their drivers over time waiting for it to support, so I bought one of their cards out of respect for that, and the fact that ATi has co-operated with the Radeon drivers for their older cards.
I have now waited the WHOLE LIFESPAN OF THE HARDWARE for their supposedly modern card to run ut2004 as well as a ten dollar, several-generations-back, budget entry-level Geforce 440 mx, or to run Quake 4 as well as the card I *upgraded* from.
The first has just drawn level at the last driver update and the second I'm still waiting for (and will probably never see before the card's obsolete).
They have let me down - I've spent hundreds of hard-earned dollars on graphics hardware, and Ati's official drivers, and been left with antiquated gaming performance and backward/patchy support for features of OpenGL, of Xorg, and even features of the hardware I bought like Anti-Aliasing.
When you sell someone something you should stand behind your product and make the customer glad they gave you their money, not piss them about like they don't matter.
Nobody held a gun to ATi's head and made them offer us Linux support/take our cash for their hardware.
It's hard not to advise people against ATi after my experiences with them, tbh. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7excellent damage control after all the bad press lately
- raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7ATI have still to fully support xorg 7.1 - and their Linux driver support and feature set is as sucky as ever.
I wouldn't hold my breath on this - not unless you want to die prematurely.
I have waited 7+ years for ATI to get their Linux driver support fixed - and while it has improved, it has still not done so anywhere near significantly enough. So in the end I have finally just given up. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This seems like a poisoned gift for Linux users in my opinion. If you ever had any prior experience with ATI Catalyst Control Center under Windows, you don't want this shiat anywhere near your Linux computer.
- fatsobob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is a step in the right direction for ATI and Linux. Maybe the software itself won't be great, but ATI was one of the companies that had never put much faith into linux. Maybe now they will make some good linux drivers.
One last Rant
Come on Adobe, give us photoshop. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Qt is much much better, more featureful, less buggy, more behaviour-consistent, better documented.
From a technical perspective, there's no contest, even if you're a Gtk programmer. Only an idiot could try and hold Gtk up against Qt and try to present Gtk as the better technical option.
So maybe it's a technical decision.
Of course, it's also GPL, not LGPL - but I *REALLY* doubt ATi care much about that, considering their on-record disregard for software licenses.
Further, KDE is *very* well represented among the Linux userbase, lots of people try Gnome out as a curiosity, but tbh the ubuntu perception of its use is a bit misled - people install and use what they want.
Anyway, since when was userbase a crushingly great argument? In that case why should there even be a version for gnome users? - DiggerT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6sounds good, guess this will finally allow ATI to catch up with nvida's linux drivers and put pressure on them to also improve.
- dAbReAkA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5takes 200 more megabytes of free memory ;)
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Mr. Phoronix doesn't believe it... I hope his skepticism is not justified.
- sirber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3in .net? ;)
I hope it's not as bulky as the one for windows... - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I hope they fix fglrx too and make it so you can add a monitor without interrupting your X session.
- kriton12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Am I missing something? This looks like a picture posted in an online forum, is there any sort of official announcement or a more reliable news source to confirm this? I could gimp-shop a picture and throw it up online too. Just curious if anybody has another (more trustworthy) source on this.
- cg0def, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@BlackAdderIII before you talk about things it is usually a good idea to check them out. Porting an application from .Net 2.0 to Mono is hard task at best. Considering that this particular application has a GUI and that GUI was written using MS libs you might as well go ahead and rewrite the whole thing in Qt. It DOES take roughly the same time and you get the benefit of a stable framework whereas Mono is very far for being easy to work with. Also ATI is rewriting only the control application and NOT the driver itself. It does seem though that the linux driver would undergo some major changes and this is all welcome. As someone who had to deal with it in the past I can really appreciate the new direction that the development process is taking.
- michaelg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This is nice, but why do they have to use Qt? I'd be curious to see the stats on KDE users vs Gnome users on which has more users.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"""The Catalyst Center requires .NET 2.0. For a 5 mb software, we need to install 150 mb's of framework. ATI sucks in every aspect."""
Exactly - I don't want a Mono requirement in a GPU driver package, for God's sake - let's hope they keep it separate.
Let's be honest, they've built CCP on .Net, so they probably have at least some code that can be used on Mono, it would seem foolish for them to not capitalize on that with their Linux CCP. - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't care what framework is used, or how much hard drive space it takes up. I want my dual monitors to work in Linux. Right now, they don't. I can't even get one of my 1440x900 monitors to work at the correct resolution in Ubuntu. I don't mind throwing hundreds of megabytes at a problem. I do mind wasting 10 hours only to realize that whatever I'm trying to do just isn't supported.
- jron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Thanks, now open source the drivers.
- damentz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Also, I have not seen one QT app in Windows but a lot of GTK apps like Gaim.
BlackAdderIII, kubuntu is probably the worst kde representing distro I have ever tried, that can cause people to hate it. - bmwboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2CCC is complete, utter bloatedware...combined with the current state of the fglrx drivers, I think we should improve the drivers before we make a GUI...
- dxg0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Good news? You'd better watch what kind of bloatware is ATI catalyst control center on windows before calling this good news. I want the old ATI control panel back :("
Agreed... although the omega drivers do a good job, but lack all of the functionality.
I got so sick of ATIs crap bloated software I switched to nvidia.
I was running a presentation in front of hundreds of people, and then when correcting a slide, pressed ALT+C [non english input language, looks like: ć] and the whole thing goes down whilst the system chokes as the catalyst control center starts launching, screen and image flickering wildly.
Why would I care enough about the crappy control center to have a dedicated hotkey like that for it? I can right click on the desktop to launch it (thanks to the non removable shell extension which ATI decided has to be visible at all times, even when browsing files in explorer... reminds me of real player, except with that if you dug deep enough, u could disable all the crap!)
/whinge - edmicman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think I'd rather have Ultramon for linux....what else does the Control Center do?
- polymorphist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't care about CCC...they just need to develop drivers to make their friggin hardware work on Linux.
- ncmusic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5RE: .Net 2.0
I don't understand what the big deal is here. As already expressed who doesn't already have the framework installed? You get it as part of Windows Update (though it's optional not critical). This is no different than having to install a JRE to run Java applications. I'm sure .Net isn't running the drivers but rather the UI for Catalyst Center. - Slipknotic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This doesn't help me, because for some reason my radeon 9550 doesnt work with Ubuntu. I install fine, it even starts up fine, then a few seconds later it goes black, i find it safe to assume it's my video card. My monitor supports up to 1280x1024, s o i dont think that'st he problem. ANy solutins?
- thedragon4453, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Wow, CCC. Now if only my all in wonder was supported. Or if installing the driver didnt crash my comp. Good thing though I have a neat new control panel coming. I would much rather have a pretty new interface than have my card work correctly.
- eugene259, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think there are a lot of pissed off people with Linux and ATI cards. At least it feels that way from the amount of flaming one sees in the forums. I never complain but I have two ATI cards on two Linux machines and an Nvidia card in another one and I have had a lot more grief with ATI ones over time. This is a move in the right direction but wait... Nvidia already have a control panel for their drivers, looks pretty much like their Windows one (the good, old style one, not the useless new control panel monstrosity). So, before the end of the year? What? We are in February! I expected to read it will be 7.2 drivers, in a couple of weeks! If it takes them 10 months to come up with the control panel, that's as good as another failure.
- 12340987, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1atimmc sucks too.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"""before you talk about things it is usually a good idea to check them out."""
I'm well aware of everything you've just pointed out, and would have assumed everyone else is too. Obviously the GUI would have to be reimplemented, as mentioned in TFA/description. My comment stands - read it a little more carefully, perhaps. :-) - FarcicalFart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I just want MPEG2 decoder support!
XVMC please! - saftaplan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think it's stupid to have a different configuration dialog for a gfx card vendor, there's no reason to do that and it only confuses users. There should be a tool which is able to configure everything independant of the gfx card type. But I guess we won't see that as long as they keep their drivers closed :/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Also, one of the first start-up items I disable on a windows install is their Catalyst Control Center. And I think many other people do the same.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9this is really interesting / good news... i'm not sure why it hasn't been dugg :(
- TechCF, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Yeah! Great! This will hopefully make my Ubuntu install much easier to use
- xxtez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1It's funny that picture in the forum post says "C O N F I D E N T I A L" at the bottom. I'm surprised no one's already killed someone over it, knowing how vicious some Digg users are.
- MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I agree. Improve the drivers first, then work on a control center. Most people don't use the control center anyway.
fglrx drivers stink in Linux. - simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4They have to, they need more money since Core2Duo is kicking their ass. Now they have motivation to expand their demographic, Linux might see a lot more attention soon from them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8Who doesn't have the .Net 2.0 framework installed already?
- SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2This does nothing to improve the driver situation between ATI and Linux. The problem is the architecting, not the software. The NVidia drivers are the proper way of accomplishing the task of acceleration. What ATI did? I have no freaking clue how they possibly convinced themselves that it was the right thing to do.
Let's also not forget that ATI chips suck in comparison to NVidia. If you think their software architecture is bad, their 3D is even worse.
ATI never could get 3D chips right. - MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1What's a Sampron?
- jurkis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0fireglcontrolpanel...Soyuzgazpromtorg....
- c0ldevil, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Linux Catalyst Control Center image: http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/354/slide09.gif
- Excessive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4The Catalyst Center requires .NET 2.0. For a 5 mb software, we need to install 150 mb's of framework. ATI sucks in every aspect.
- goosnargh, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3It's getting better atleast http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/354/slide06.gif
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