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- evildeadman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Did you even read the article? There's a screen shot of the very screen which gives credit to the G4U author (4th screenshot down).
- theOster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i just use a couple of cheap platters, kind of hooked together in some kind of ... "duplicate-y" way...
... *cough* RAID *cough* - tenderstorm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ghost 4 Unix http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ was first with this, and then the previous maintainer of Ghost 4 Linux stole the concept and the code (without giving credits to the g4u author) and re-relased it under GPL...
- TheEndIsNear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4First off I used this program recently, it doesn't work well, and raw mode, is the most wasteful way to back up.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5We have something called dd. >_>
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@mblitch:
I've used the following methods for backups on XP. In all cases, my goal was to keep a mirror copy up to date on a second drive/computer:
1: SyncbackSE - Pretty nice tool, but not free
2: SyncToy - from microsoft, free, but crashes on me and pretty slow and stuff
3: I ended up just installing Cygwin and using rsync. Works great, but does require some confidence/knowledge about Linux. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4start /min %systemroot%system32ntbackup.exe backup "%userprofile%" /N "Backup_to_Disk_Media" /D "Backup_Set_1" /V:yes /R:no /RS:no /HC:off /M normal /J "Manual_Profile" /L:s /F "F:Manual_Backup_Profile.bkf"
Free. There you go. This will give you a full backup of your profile to an attached disk at drive f:. This will run while the OS is up and running and files are in use. Modify it as you see fit for your needs.
(eh digg took out the "" in the paths, you get the point... :) - udubnate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Can you backup the image to an USB 2.0 HD? or just an FTP server
- nx01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There was a major controversy surrounding this when the software was first written.
http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/g4l.html
If ghosting/cloning is not something that is needed, be sure to check out Backuppc for Linux. This is a very useful tool, and can backup machines remotely using SMB shares, so no client side software is needed. A Cygwin client is available that speeds things up, but again is not needed.
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
If you need cloning or bare metal restore capability, check out Mondo. This has a large following, and is pretty straightforward.
http://www.mondorescue.org/ - DickBreath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I read about MondoRescue a few years ago. I liked the concept. It's not the same thing, but is very useful for what it does.
1. Burn a stack of cd's that (1) the first one ends up being live bootable, and (2) contain everying necessary to restore your system, down to partition layouts, and file backups.
2. Boot cd number 1 on fresh computer. It boots up its own kernel+progs, then proceeds to format and partition the drive as per the original machine, then proceeds to restore all files to all partitions, prompting you for more cd's as it goes along. Thus the kernel+progs on the cd 1 live, are independant of whatever kernel or anything else that you are using on the backed up/restored machine.
Did I basically summarize that correctly? - unixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3or you can use the live gparted cd
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7It is an interesting time to bring this up. Microsoft has just released a home server with storage/backup options... the reviewers were... ermm... have a look.
Will bad backups doom Windows Home Server?
,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft just announced it's working on Windows Home Server, which
| among other features, will automatically back up files on all PCs in
| the home. But if the product uses the same kind of brain-dead backup
| built into Windows Vista, this is a product that will be dead on arrival.
|
| The backup tool built into Windows Vista may be the worst utility
| every packed into an operating system. It doesn't allow you to back
| up individual files, folders or even file types. Instead, you have to
| back up every single file and folder of broad generic types.
|
| For example, if you want to back up a single picture, you have to back
| up every single graphic of every graphic file type on your entire PC,
| including all the graphics that Vista itself uses. This means you can
| be forced to back up hundreds of gigabytes of files if you only want
| to back up a few family photos.
`----
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4303 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ mblitch
Acronis True Image. I've used it for quite sometime, it works great. - evanfrey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3bury
- PacketScan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been using G4U for years.. It's a free option that works well.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Backs up Windows based machines using nothing more that standard SMB shares."
hah... if only there were such a thing as standard SMB shares. - nx01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@mblitch:
I mention this a little further down in another thread, but thought this might help you. Check out Backuppc for Linux. Backs up Windows based machines using nothing more that standard SMB shares. It has a web based interface to restore files from, and does full and incremental backups. Nice, easy to use and reliable.
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In Linux backing up a partition or drive can be done using the included software. Not for *nix n00bs though.
Example:
dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=1M | bzip2 --best -c > /mnt/some_other_drive/hda1_image.img.bz2 - funkytaco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you look at the code of g4u and g4l at one of the links mentioned (http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/g4l.html), they both look like scripts using dd and gzip.
- funkytaco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dd and rsync over ssh? I've done it before.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wasn't their a video of Home Server in action like yesteraday? Didn't seem bad to me.
- mblitch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Are there any recommended apps for incremental backups for a WinXP machine? I have a lot of music, photos, and documents and I don't want to have to copy over the entire directories every now and then just to make sure new stuff already filed away is copied. I'd like to be able to just run the program once a week to save whatever is new. If a drive crashes, I'd like to be able to easily recover everything to the last state. Any recommendations?
- lorax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Additonal partition imaging options (both on standard Knoppix CD):
1. partimage ( www.partimage.org ) - saves only the used portions of the partition. Supports Linux & FAT/NTFS filesystems. GUI menu driven or command-line.
2. ntfsclone ( http://man.linux-ntfs.org/ntfsclone.8.html ) - For NTFS partitions only. Saves only the used portions. Command-line only but nicely scriptable. If you're doing NTFS use this instead of partimage.
Backup
ntfsclone -s -o - /dev/hda1 | gzip | split -b 1000m - /tmp/server/master-hda1.img.gz_
Remember to backup your MBR & partition table too!
sfdisk -d /dev/hda >/tmp/server/master-sfdisk-hda.dump
dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=/tmp/server/master-hda.mbr
Restore
sfdisk /dev/hda < /tmp/server/master-sfdisk-hda.dump
dd if=/tmp/server/master-hda.mbr of=/dev/hda
cat /tmp/server/master-hda1.img.gz_a[a-c]| gunzip -c | ntfsclone --restore-image --overwrite /dev/hda1 -
Or fork out some $$ and buy a copy of Acronis TrueImage. - DickBreath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But how would one boot up DD software on computer with big hard di_k, and then start a restore from a network filesystem?
You would need a live cd as a minimum in order to use the dd command. That live cd would also need network support. Even with this, what "if" parameter would you give to dd to copy from some network server? - DickBreath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The G4U author(s) would hold copyright rights on that code. If G4L "stole" that code and "relicensed" it, then the original G4U license must have allowed this (maybe BSD or Apache license?). Otherwise G4L would be an infringement of the G4U author(s)'s rights under copyright law.
I don't know any history between G4L and G4U. Completely ignorant. But I do understand copyright.
But maybe the story is simpler. Maybe G4L is a pure fork of G4U? - neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If it's on your trusted local network, you don't even have to run it through ssh, netcat does just fine.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Will this save images to a samba/network share? Can you use it for casting multiple images to a network of machines from a PXE boot?
- colinm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use gzip instead of bzip2 as it's much faster (check with "top" to see if the compression CPU usage is the bottleneck - it is with my PC even if I use gzip). Also if you use "conv=sync,noerror" dd still outputs the correct number of bytes if it can't read the source drive (if you didn't have this, later bytes would be offset in the wrong place making them useless). bs=1k minimises the amount of missed data if there are problems reading the drive.
dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | gzip >/mnt/some_other_drive/hda1_image.img.gz - Rethcir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Used to use this in the IT industry all the time to image new user PC's.. great tool! Sometimes it had a little problem with dell network drivers but you could generally futz with it a little and it would work.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use mondo for archiving all servers here at work. It is a terrific program. I have never found a livecd version of it, but it runs on the OS and backs everything up just great. Every once in a while I get a crash from it during backup which I havent isolated, but the livecd that it creates to restore the system has always worked PERECTLY.
It also compiles in a version of petris that it opens up on vt5 so you can play tetris while restoring :D
edit: crap my bad.. I meant to reply to the comment under this one sorry. - Kratos76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mblitch
The above comments are valid, but perhaps a bit over-complicated. If you have XP-Pro or Media Center, you have NTbackup, a built in backup utility with graphical interface for full, incremental, or differential backups, easily scheduled to your liking.
Start>Programs>Accessories>System Tools>Backup
Or, rightclick the C drive and click the tools property.
If you have XP Home, you won't have this. Hope I've been helpful! - justice7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@schestowitz
Almost any anti-microsoft pro-linux story has your name and comment attached to it somewhere. It is almost guaranteed.
You seem to be by far the most hardcore linux fundamentalist on the planet!
Now the hard part -- finding a job where someone doesn't cut you for your self-biased view. - colinm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've used Microsoft robocopy [free] and xxcopy [free for non-commercial use] to update my external drive's backup every week with no major problems. They both just copy the changed files and delete files that are deleted on the source, so quicker than copying everything each time.
I'd probably opt for robocopy - its slightly more flexible, it's got a freer license and I've had fewer problems with it.
Write a batch file, then backups are quick and easy (=more likely to bother to do them).
Command-line parameters I use:
robocopy source destination /MIR /R:3 /LOG+:log.txt /TEE /NP /NDL
xxcopy source destination /H /R /KS /BI /E /ZY /YY /ZE /V /Q1 /oNerrors.txt >files.txt
Robocopy: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&DisplayLang=en
xxcopy: http://www.xxcopy.com/
Separately, I boot into Knoppix and use "dd" to back up my system partition ("C drive"). - technolofree, on 07/15/2009, -0/+0Great article. Here is a nice free and portable solution:
http://digg.com/mods/technolofree_The_Ultimate_Por ... - devaspark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0....double damage? ...damn playing too much dota lately
- benanzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ theOster
Why would you use raid to do incremental backups of personal data? RAID is a *dumb* technology that can simply be dangerous than is often thought. For instance, what if your files/filesystem becomes corrupt? The mirrored disc would not be immune. You just toasted both both copies of your data. A mirror RAID is a waste of space. Use that second disc for backups of stuff you actually want, not the whole filesystem. Plus, the more you can separate your personal files from windows the better. - gewf631, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ mblitch
Use Karen's Replicator
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp
Freeware, highly customizable, and well-supported. - movienut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2http://pba-vm.sourceforge.net/
http://canned-os.blogspot.com/
Uses vmware player.
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