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- schestowitz, on 08/02/2008, -4/+24It would be nice if Adobe freed it like Sun did (with JavaFX, which is GPLv2d)
- fenris6644, on 08/02/2008, -2/+10A few things wrong with your post:
1. .NET and WPF are not cross platform. SL runs on Windows and Mac, but not Linux, unless you're willing to trust the stuff from Mono but seriously, who is?
2. You can write serious enterprise applications with Flex or AIR. The Flash Player may not be as fast as the JVM or .NET CLR, but it's plenty fast enough for what you need to do on the client. Use Java or .NET on the server. We've written dozens of applications like this.
3. If Microsoft distributes the SL runtime as a critical update, they will probably be sued by Adobe for anti-competitive practices. - kr0n0s82, on 08/02/2008, -7/+14I'm sure Adobe will make it will be as lightweight and bloat free as Acrobat Reader
- inactive, on 08/02/2008, -3/+9AIR is cool for a few reasons. I'm interested to see how well it does since DotNet isn't my favorite platform. (C# is my second favorite language but holy ***** is it hard to get those apps to run right on all PCs. Runtime versioning and installation issues are the main problem, and then you also have to find ways to support mono properly if you like being multi platform - I've succeeded doing that easily since Mono is kicking some series DotNet 2.0 ass.)
- virtualonliner, on 08/02/2008, -1/+7So it is going to make it easier to develop applications using Flash? Gosh, that would be awful. If only people knew when not to use Flash. It is a bane to interwebs as it is.
- fenris6644, on 08/02/2008, -1/+7Flex and AIR were being developed by Macromedia well before they merged with Adobe. AIR has way more in common with the Flash Player than it does with any Adobe product. Both FP and AIR are engineered to be as small as possible. The fact that you would compare two application development runtimes with a PDF reading application shows just how little about software development you know.
- trodemaster, on 08/02/2008, -2/+7I would expect more of an "open standard" approach. Think PDF & postscript.
- worldnick, on 08/02/2008, -1/+6You know if you don't use DotNet you can use lots of other things. AIR isn't the only alternative to DotNet. There is PHP, Pearl, Ruby, even ack gross Java. I think it's funny how you jumped to conclusions about AIR being an alternative to DotNet.
- worldnick, on 08/02/2008, -0/+4They already have an application like this. It's called a browser. This seems like a lot of wrapping and potential security problems to get web code to work without the web. I've read the documentation and you have all these "security sandboxes" and you grant access to each level and different functions have access to different levels. What if someone injects code into your AIR app and now instead of just having a hacked website you have a hacked desktop.
- swaters210, on 08/02/2008, -3/+7I find AIR apps easier and less time consuming to install than apps based on different frameworks. Ora Time and Expense reporter is the only one I use often and I find it very useful, although I don't know of too many alternatives out there.
- inactive, on 08/02/2008, -1/+5You aren't in a position to say that, are you? Because most of my intelligent friends can type worth a damn.
Have you programmed in either environment? I've used DotNet, and it was nice, but i'm interested in seeing some competition for sure. - Atomic1fire, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3You dont even need flash to create seazure inducing ads
javascript and html is workable as well as well as harder to remove
and dont forget .gif - 16x9, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3Just because Flash is used for those damned seizure inducing ads doesn't mean that Flash/Flex/AIR technology is in itself is at fault.
You could just as easily (and wrongly) blame Firefox because it is displaying the ad, or Photoshop because it was used to create the ad's graphical elements. - estacado, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3Wow. He actually replied. I never thought these would do something like that.
- 16x9, on 08/02/2008, -1/+4I know! It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, it's not as if anyone is interested in AIR. And by that I mean there is a great deal of interest in AIR and a lot of development is being doing using the Flash/Flex/AIR technologies.
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http://www.twhirl.org/ - Flytrap, on 08/02/2008, -1/+3I can't imagine why Adobe would want to open source it. Its not as if they are making any money from it, but it enables them to drive consumers and corporates towards their other platforms from which they do make money.
I am all for the publication of a set of standards (like Adobe did with PDF and Postscript) for anyone to implement and if necessary embed into their own platform. - inactive, on 08/02/2008, -0/+2No thanks. If you wish to advertise that can you attack a website with more gullible people? YouTube or Ebaumsworld is a better start.
- MtheoryX, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2That's not the fault of the submitter, so why take it out on them?
Bury the story if you have a problem with the story, but your complaints about digg should be directed towards digg itself, as in emailing support.
lrn2FocusYourAnger - rimbaud, on 08/03/2008, -1/+2Buried for wrong topic: not Linux/UNIX. It's cross-platform
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1It is an alternative to .Net compared to most interpreter languages because it's easy for users to have and most already have it. I know AIR really isn't meant to be a .net alt. but it will certainly function as one. And I hate Java so yeah not Java. Mainly, It's an alternative to dotNet, for ME, and that was my point.
- MtheoryX, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1The small, quiet, security-conscious nerd in me just shuddered at the thought.
- MtheoryX, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1Someone tell me something here...
Why is it when something, anything, encroaches on MicroSoft's turf, fanboi's always throw out the "enterprise level business class applications" statements?
It is entirely possible to build "enterprise level business class applications" in things other than MicroSoft technologies. In fact, it's quite common.
Just because you use .NET, MSSQL, and Windows Server for "enterprise level business class applications" does not imply that you cannot use anything else. - BrianOl, on 08/02/2008, -2/+3First of all, AIR is a framework, not a program. I don't know how you could bloat a framework and I suppose you haven't tried Acrobat Reader 9 then huh? It loads almost instantly now.
You speak as if Acrobat Reader is the only program that Adobe has created. - inactive, on 08/02/2008, -0/+1Indeed nice.
I suspect it's unlikely, but it would be a welcome decision for the OSS community for obvious reasons... - Atomic1fire, on 08/02/2008, -0/+1Russian seo programmer
more like Russian Spammer
get a real job - neko, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1"Just because you use .NET, MSSQL, and Windows Server for "enterprise level business class applications" does not imply that you cannot use anything else."
That's the thing though; it implies --they-- cannot use anything else, because they're an all-MS shop already. - inactive, on 08/02/2008, -0/+1Can you please tell me how much money you make advertising ***** and where you sign up for it at?
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1XD
Wow, you so missed the point. It has nothing to do with desktop widgets. - Ribald_Jester, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1why do all these closed source software companies want to put a "wrapper" around web technology? Is it simply because you can right click on most web pages and "view source". That's gotta be a threat for these dinosaurs - so they come up with shiite like .net, or AIR, or flash or some other closed proprietary format.
People never ***** learn.... - andywebb95, on 08/03/2008, -0/+1Competition in the "write one/run anywhere" space is good.
- kr0n0s82, on 08/02/2008, -3/+3... And photoshop, and what used to be cooledit, among others.
Sure you can bloat a framework. Take .net for example. I'm not a java fanboy, but many people like to rip into the JVM because its a f**king ginormous download that can be confusing for a novice. Well, at least its backward compatible. M$ has the advantage windows update delivery mechanism and each .net framework install is totally independent. I need a new framework for .net 1, 2, and 3. - inactive, on 08/03/2008, -1/+1Why don't Adobe make it a full-fledged Runtime, with total system access and all?
- tomarocco, on 08/02/2008, -3/+3I'm with kr0n0s82. I suspect BrianOI is an Adobe troll.
- Munshot, on 08/03/2008, -1/+1Wow this is great! Maybe it should patch the kernel in addition to installing itself and all this dubious crap into the /opt directory. Hooray Adobe!
- rev4bart, on 10/12/2008, -0/+01. Yeah because the Linux market is key for Silverlight to succeed :) I would argue: Windows, Mac and Mobile would be the top 3 I would go after.
2. Of course you can write Flash applications in the enterprise. If I want to integrate a RIA web part or workflow or data list inside my SharePoint portal, which would I use? Oh that's right...with Silverlight not only does it integrate but I am also writing using the same language (.NET) that I probably built other SharePoint stuff on. Do I need enterprise level services? Oh Microsoft only inlcudes WCF, ADO.NET Data Services. Do I need to hook Silverlight into a workflow app? I have something called Workflow Foundation. THESE AND MANY MORE is called seemless Enterprise integration. Go ahead and rattle off some 15 open source products that I have to spend days trying to figure out and spend tons of code on PLUMBING rather than DESIGN. Complete waste of time!
3. LOL, I can see that happening. If I were Adobe, I would crapping my pants now...as soon as Microsoft starts using Silverlight to expose their cloud computing ideas or integrate it as a possible report viewer for Reporting Services...Adobe already played their card and Flash/Flex integrate very nicely with PhotoShop/Illustrator. What else is left? Microsoft has a crap load of offerings that this makes sense in. - e03179, on 08/02/2008, -2/+1Use Twitter? Then check out TweetDeck.com which is a sweet AIR/Twitter mashup.
- inactive, on 08/02/2008, -4/+3Oh boo ***** hoo.
- dashdingo, on 08/02/2008, -9/+7They're still trying to push this *****? What a joke.
- beletti, on 08/02/2008, -2/+0I make reall money 300$ per day.... I am a russia seo programmist and can make everything. So if you want my technology you need to pay... i dont no why i tell it to you.... and okey i will give you information on hopw to make money for 20 dollars or 20 wmz ( if you have webmoney) it will be possible only today... caus i have a good mood.
- rev4bart, on 08/02/2008, -7/+2I have bias towards this, since I write about Silverlight (www.silverlighthack.com)
However, AIR cannot compete with Silverlight/WPF on a business application level. Microsoft has the IDE (Visual Studio), the language (C#), the runtime (.NET), distribution (Silverlight silently installs and MS will place Silverlight runtime in an sp giving to everyone like they do with .NET) and integration with distributed technologies (WCF, WF) is automatic.
From various benchmarks I have seen, Adobe applications perform excellent when they are graphics intensive. However, applications that benefit from multi-threading, advanced collections give Silverlight/WPF an edge. Using JavaScript as a communication bridge that AIR uses has big performance penalties vs compiled code.
Many programmers just see AIR/Flex etc as Flash. It is not well seasoned for enterprise level business class applications (I know there are examples of it being used as them, but lets be real here). - inactive, on 08/02/2008, -6/+1Java seems to be liked for all of the wrong reasons; (Perhaps college students who don't understand how to use OO properly are the main source?) While it's nice that it's open source, DotNet feels more snappy than Java for me. I know Microsoft has terrible practices, but damn it, C# is one of my favorite interpreted languages and dotnet if you can get it working, too (though the way they didn't have backwards compatibility was ***** :)
- inactive, on 08/02/2008, -9/+0wow....................
- stoni, on 08/02/2008, -10/+1Another guys copying KDE technology. I prefer plasmoids.
- BTime, on 08/02/2008, -15/+5Buried for being listed in almost every single category as something to digg. I know Upcoming is in Beta, but each category should highlight topics in its own section rather than cross-posting everywhere.
- beletti, on 08/02/2008, -13/+0its really cool.... (http://cheapacompliaonline.blogspot.com/)
- goon5000, on 08/02/2008, -16/+1so what, dotnet is better
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