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- Carpex, on 10/10/2007, -2/+27Now, let's see how fast the "open source" version catches up with AMD's binary version. It's like chasing a turtle.
- Dhalgren, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22This is awesome
- AnarkeIncarnate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19I believe what you were trying to say was "Thank you, Now we all benefit"
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Ugh... I see "your" instead of "you're" constantly, but never the other way around. Way to go against the grain.
As for the drivers, Nvidia has been doing a better job with Linux than ATI for a while now. - NiX0n, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13You can thank Dell for the push.
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Dell_Wants_Better_ATI_Linux_Drivers - twljagflba, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12David Airlie and Alex Deucher are involved with this. Jerome Glisse is also expected to discontinue work on the Avivo R500 driver and work on this driver instead. Details: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjA0MA
From the article: "A baseline driver should be available next week and there is already a community of developers in hand with AMD's GPG documentation. The driver that will be made available is comparable to the Avivo driver, but it should be excelling at a much faster rate." That will be an open-source driver for the R500 and R600 GPUs! As mentioned in the article, AMD is paying Novell to do some of the work. - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10At the very least the specs can be reversed from the source code. I suspect OpenBSD will do that, they have a history of taking GPL code and building a specification from it.
- jjpertusch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10just when i decide im fed up with ati's stability issues and become fully committed to jumping ship back over the nvidia, they pull this *****; tempting me to stay... tempting me...
- hockey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9One last thing. More linux support = more cards bought = more linux presence = potential for more linux games
/cheer. - audi100quattro, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Finally! Open source code, good. Specs under an NDA, bad.... AMD's going to have to do better than that if Intel's upcoming GPU-ish Larrabee becomes competitive.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -13/+19"We can't write decent drivers or even try to compete with Nvidia, but maybe someone else can do our work for us."
- dotancohen, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I had written to AMD just a few months ago on the subject:
http://dotancohen.com/eng/linux_compatibility.php
They told me to get back to them in July and I never found the time.
This is great news. The X1400 in my Inspiton laptop is the only piece of troublesome hardware. The wifi, card reader, dvd burner, and everything else work flawlessly. Beryl, here I come!!! - luciferin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Still no support for AIGLX/Compositing.
- cquilliam, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Sadly, I have never visited Phoronix.com until a few weeks ago, but I must say, they have been extremly helpful in keeping me up to date on several happenings recently, especially the coverage given to latest AMD/ATI news.
- Carpex, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5From the horse's mouth (AMD press release). "In Q4 2007, AMD’s Catalyst software package for Linux will add support for Accelerated Indirect GLX (AIGLX). AIGLX is an enabling technology that allows Linux users to enjoy a rich visual 3D user interface that provides a more immersive end-user compute experience. "
- payrok, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5till next months release, per phoronix's release yesterday.
- fluoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3wtf are you even talking about?
- chaos386, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There's already an open-source driver for R3xx cards and below that provides 3D acceleration and AIGLX support. I think it supports some R4xx cards as well.
- hockey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It can only foster competition. ATI has always been know to have good hardware in their cards but their software drivers have sucked royally. If the open source community can write a better driver than ATI can and if this pushes ATI ahead in the ATI/nVidia race then nVidia may follow suit. Furthermore other companies can see the benefit of truly opening up their specs to the community and we can potentially see driver quality improve dramatically. Not to mention that linux hardware capability can potentially skyrocket since people no longer have to hack drivers together.
Furthermore hardware companies don't have to worry about writing Linux drivers when the Linux open source community is more than willing to do the work for them. Release the specs and boom a driver is written on someone else's time and dime.
It's good for competition and good for the consumer. I see this as a very good thing personally. - xGeneric, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Gonna have to digg ya down for this(seriously, asking for tech help through digg comments?)
Just google something like "Radeon 345m igp linux "no screens found"" and check the forum results. - muep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I thought they meant that they will release the code that previously was under an NDA.
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It goes with the Bolex watch.
- superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4so what about R350 shmucks like me? we're still stuck with fglrx. great.
- fluoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2AMD is still sponsoring the development of the new drivers, so it's not like they're just sitting back waiting for someone else to do the work for them. They're stepping out on a limb here trying something new that ATI was never willing to try, and that NVIDIA was not willing to try. It's really fantastic for us, the Linux community, and I think as a result it will be a win for AMD because their GPUs will become much more popular among Linux people. This is a relatively minor investment on their part, for probably a relatively minor reward still. But considering that Dell is pushing more and more Linux desktops, and that others are interested in pushing them perhaps AMD feels that this is the perfect time to become the favored GPU of Linux people.
- fluoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2This is actually very common to still require an NDA for specs, even if the specs are being given out relatively freely. I'm not really sure why, but maybe it's for some legal reasons that don't really make sense. So I don't think this should really be of concern.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3@Carpex
Only one year after nVidia implemented AIGLX support. :) - captcanuk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You won't have OS drivers (more than the radeon ones currently) but you will get a mad performance boost soon according to Phoronix (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=822&num=1) as well as AIGLX.
- Tenoq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So just like nVidia then, eh?
- superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1@chaos: the open drivers for the r350 are not adequate: desktop effects are less stable than fglrx with XGL, tv out functionality doesn't work, and opengl performance is poor.
@captcanuk: wow, thanks for the link, i had no idea such great improvements were right around the corner, i guess i take back my ati flaming - geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, because Dell is the only company who's been pissed about this (leaving out Google, Redhat, Novell, etc).
Hell, the /community/ outrage at the quality of AMD's Open support and their drivers has been greatest of all. - Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have the ATI IGP 340m as well. Unfortunately, the fglrx driver does not support this series of cards. You must use the "ati" driver, which sucks (no AIGLX/Beryl/Compiz/etc). From the sounds of this article, AMD is not going to do anything about the older ATI cards. The IGP 340m in my laptop is the only ATI product I own, and the only one I ever will own.
Spotty driver support FTL. - shavenlunatic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1think yourself lucky. i just jumped the ati ship, bought a 7600GS and now theyre OSing the ATI stuff..lol... anybody wanna buy a video card? :)
- leszek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You should ask your question here:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ - MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No Nvidia is waiting for the other shoe to drop...
AMD has ATI, and Intel has Intel. If they start only making integrated boards, or switch to next generation multi-core CPU's with GPU inside... Nvidia is S.O.L. - missingnoh4x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1As long as I can get X.Org running on my X1200 card, I'll be happy. Hurry it up, guys!
- reptiler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1R350, that's Radeon 9600, right?
I had a Radeon 9600 Pro before and it works quite fine with the R300-drivers which are included in Mesa and the kernel.
So, you have the option to choose if you want to use that driver or fglrx. For me it wasn't a big headache to decide about an external module or something that I can statically build into the kernel, and where I know it'll run with the latest kernel because it's shipped with it. - captcanuk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why aren't you holding Intel to the same high standard? Their driver is open source but you need to sign an NDA to get their specs. Even worse, they STILL haven't made their specs available for their 965 products months after launch and the driver isn't feature complete for those products.
- Tenoq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Try using the latest nVidia drivers with Compiz-Fusion & Xinerama. :P
- daftman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No Dell isn't the only one, but I think they're probably one that actually tip the balance. Google, Red Hat, Novell, etc aren't PC manufactures. They are more interested in servers where gfx card isn't a big deal.
- calcium20, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You might as well use compiz fusion, as beryl has been discontinued.
It has a lot of new really cool plug ins as well.
I suggest using Trevino's repository if you are on ubuntu - daftman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No.
- jasutton, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Oh, get over it. Can't you just be happy that AMD/ATI is making _some_ effort to help the open source community help themselves?
Now, if nVidia will just follow suit, I think I'll be even more ecstatic. :) - dotancohen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I cannot use Compiz fusion yet as it does not work well with XGL. At least not with this X1400. If someone knows better, then please contact me!
- freezerburn666, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0oh i have, for days.. i got nothin, i understand why u dugg it down, i figured someone would, it was a last resort.
- superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I payed about $430 for my ATI 9800 Pro All in Wonder when it came out, but if I bought a $199 nvidia at the time, I would have had orders or magnitude better performance and compatibility. They should be embarrassed, still haven't made good in my eyes. Nvidia will be in my next machine.
- mythicflux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0They need a reason to justify you buying a new AMD/ATI graphics cards. AMD/ATI's very kind that way.
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