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1337! 5 Killer PC Games playable on Ubuntu: Hardy Heron

vgpro.com — Is hell officially freezing over? Can it be that its actually being easy to game on Linux?! Here are 5 PC games that you can EASILY play on the upcoming Ubuntu release: Hardy Heron. Links to some valuable Ubuntu gaming resources are given at the end.

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  • agisten, on 04/24/2008, -14/+112Not bad, but Epic fail for forgetting about Eve Online - Native Linux Client MMORPG
    • wontstoptalking, on 04/24/2008, -0/+34They added you at the bottom, actually. Nice job! What a great article, if they do that. I think I'll start reading this website.
    • SuperWinner, on 04/24/2008, -24/+14Monthly subscriptions to play games is a gay idea.
      • aasukisuki, on 04/24/2008, -2/+12Then don't play them.
      • fkr3, on 04/24/2008, -4/+6Yeah just because you're using their resources doesn't mean you should have to pay. Someone else should feel priviledged to pay for you because you're just so special.
      • tonaros, on 04/24/2008, -2/+29I think two guys kissing is a gay idea, this is more like a stupid idea.
        • tjmb9, on 04/24/2008, -0/+9You've taught me that not everything is stupid, some things are gay, and I thank you for that.
          I guess what I'm trying to say is--pack your bags gang, we're going up my mom's ass!
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5Wait, 2 guys kissing is gay?

          Oh *****
      • AsSubtleAsABrik, on 04/24/2008, -2/+14I somewhat agree. Monthly subscriptions can be gay. It's lame if I not only have to pay to buy the game but also play it? I mean, I guess its not as bad if they just do monthly subscriptions, but not both, please. If you want to charge something upfront, give that much worth of the subscription free. 50 bucks up front should get you ten months at 5 bucks a month.
        • TheG2, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1EVE basically does this now, in the past it used to be $20 which included a month.
      • Fartbandit, on 04/24/2008, -1/+0The times of games that require monthly subscriptions simply wouldn't be able to exist without them. You don't play paying a sub then simply don't play...
      • Giga, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1"Monthly subscriptions to play games is a gay idea."
        Your rebuttal to suggest why Eve shouldn't be on the list completely ignores which game came first on the list. WoW also needs monthly subscriptions.
    • Dumbledorito, on 04/24/2008, -4/+15I love Eve's "Babylon-5" epic space-battles, but I've heard the game described as "Spreadsheets with Lasers."
      • Harabeck, on 04/24/2008, -2/+2An accurrate description. Also the space battles arent so epic, your opponents are at 200km+ so you cant even see them from your ship. Also, they consist of groups all targetting one guy and insta-killing them and then moving on to the next target. Oh, and dont forget the tremendous lag as soon as you enter the system.
        • reqage, on 04/24/2008, -1/+2You can usually see enemies until they go off the grid which is close to 400km I think. Ships can shoot/jam pretty close to 200km but that usually applies to some of the older members of the game. I've been in some crazy battles. 200 vs 200 is a lag fest but you can turn down graphic settings and such to reduce lag (turn off the trailing graphics and run the older client before the graphic upgrade). Also running the game off a separate drive of your OS hard drive helps a ton + a low ping broadband connection.
      • SleepParalysis, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5My combat consists of ranges right around 500 meters to 1km orbiting with warp drive jamming and webbing and autocannons blazing. You can rig your ship to engage at great distances, you can swarm in with friends like a pack of wild dogs practically touching wings with your opponent. You can enter a system cloaked and sit right next to someone and they'd never even know you were there.

        So aside from epic battles you can play practically any other way you want to, literally.
        • sienar, on 04/24/2008, -2/+1not true about the cloaking. if any ship get's within 2KM of you while cloaked, you automagically decloak, or you're supposed to. sometimes it forgets to decloak you
        • Nick22, on 04/25/2008, -4/+1Automagically? Are you kidding me? My librarian says that all the time, and it makes me want to punch her in teeth
      • iainc, on 04/24/2008, -3/+2Eve battles suck. They resemble something that Napoleon and Wellington might set up. Yawn. Methinks the pies have the most fun, gawd luv 'em.
      • bitterbug, on 04/24/2008, -0/+2I stopped playing WoW because I felt like I was just pushing numbers around in a database.
        Essentially all games do it, but when that becomes the driving gameplay element, it's time to walk away.
        It's one thing in CoD4 to plow through 30 guys to get to a target and kill him. It's another to go out and kill 50 gnolls to be given a new number to add to your experience. Then repeat as the next quest requires you to get the 1 in 1000 drop from those gnolls. (which only drops after you get the quest, and never before, which would save you time)
    • hmmdar, on 04/24/2008, -3/+30Eve Online is NOT, is say again NOT!!!!!! a native linux client. CCP did a deal with Cedega to intergrate cedaga as a wrapper around the existing windows eve online client. Cedega built a custom wrapper engine just for ccp.
      • ZaZ2137, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5CCP re-wrote some of their files to make them more compatable with wine (cedega) so you can't say its ALL cedega's doing
      • node3, on 04/24/2008, -6/+5What about that, exactly, makes it not native? Cedega is essentially no different than X11 or the C stdlib, etc., which provides a set of APIs for applications to use. Cedega itself is a native Linux binary, so what makes the applications which use it non-native? I believe, in the case of EVE Online, the source was compiled specifically against Cedega instead of as a Windows binary, so this supposedly "NOT!!!!!! a native linux client" can't even be run under Windows!

        It's a Windows port, to be sure, but it runs as a fully native Linux program.
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/24/2008, -3/+8Its not native because it must use Win32 calls, that is calls native to another platform, by passing them to the cedega code, which then passes things to the rest of the system.

          If its a 3D app its also likely using DirectX which is definitely not a native API, the graphics drivers on Linux don't and likely never will support the DX API.

          Its a program living a lie :D
          • node3, on 04/24/2008, -2/+4How is that any different than GNOME or KDE passing calls onto X11?

            Cedega brings Win32 and DirectX to Linux (and OS X) as a *NATIVE* subsystem just like X11 is native on Windows via Cygwin, and Pidgin and GiMP are native on Windows via GTK+.

            EVE Online is *recompiled* for Linux. It uses DirectX *exactly* the same way other Linux apps use SDL and OpenGL, and uses Win32 *exactly* the same way other Linux apps use GTK or ncurses.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2No, Cedega converts DX calls into OpenGL calls, because the drivers only support OpenGL.

            And more than that, the Win32 graphics subsystem is sitting ON TOP of X11 and the other APIs on Linux, not beside them.

            Native means using native system calls.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Pidgin uses a port of the GTK+ toolkit, but everything else is native Win32.
          • node3, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2And what makes one set of libraries native and another not? What makes X11 and SDL native, but Win32 not? Because the Win32 API Cedega/Wine provides is a clone of another system? *Linux* is a clone of another system. Virtually every API running on Linux is a clone or port from somewhere else. C, C++, X11, OpenGL, ncurses, and on and on.

            What about GNUstep? It's almost *exactly* like Cedega/Wine in that it provides full API compatibility with a completely foreign system (in this case, NEXTstep, and to some extent, Cocoa).

            How, for example, is a Mac OS X program, recompiled using GNUstep on Linux, not a native Linux app? How is compiling an X11 program under Linux, that was originally written for X11 on Solaris, not a native Linux app? How is any of that different from compiling a Windows app for Linux using Cedega? If you want to talk "native Linux API's", the only truly native API's on Linux are those provided by the kernel (which are a clone, very much like Wine is to Win32, interestingly enough). Everything else is add-on anyway.

            You can make the claim that Win32 isn't the primary API used for writing Linux programs, or that DirectX is further from the hardware than OpenGL is (the exact same thing is true for SDL and the X toolkit), you can claim that EVE Online is a port from Windows, but to make the distinction that it's not a native program requires you to make an arbitrary distinction, using a double-standard that is based more on the fact that it's something that comes from *Windows* instead of from another Unix-like system, than it is on any technical merits.
          • mrsteveman1, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3POSIX is a standard specified in a number of different places. GTK+ and Qt form the basis of most of the desktop on a Linux system and a large number of the applications. The entire desktop is built around one or the other of those.

            Win32 isn't a standard, and NOTHING else on a Linux box uses the Win32 API. Microsoft has broken it a number of times, and some of it isn't even documented. Thats a HUGE difference right there.

            Running something with a binary wrapper is most definitely not native, but you could make some claim that compiling from source against the winelibs stuff or cedegas libraries could be native in the sense that it's intended for the platform and won't run anywhere else.

            Its still a foreign API you shouldn't have to deal with.

            This is all arbitrary, I'm calling Win32 a foreign API on linux. Is that better? There is no question it's a foreign API, just like DX.
          • djbon2112, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1node3, I don't think you understand what the terms "native" and "system calls" are. You are truly showing your ignorance of how a wrapper application works.
          • node3, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4"Its still a foreign API you shouldn't have to deal with."

            And that's, when you boil it all down, your *only* argument. Everything else is just hand-waving. You say that *most* Linux distros use POSIX -> X11 -> (Qt -> KDE) || (GTK+ -> GNOME), but that's not the distinction unless you want to say any Linux app that doesn't use one of those technologies isn't native (and, like I pointed out, POSIX and X11 started out somewhere else in the first place).

            You talk about binary wrappers, but EVE Online does not use a binary wrapper.

            Calling it a foreign API does *not* make the app itself non-native. It's possible (and, I'll bet it's been done) to write a program, *solely* on and for Linux, using the Win32 API.

            And, really, all you've demonstrated is that Win32 is not a *CONVENTIONAL*, nor preferred, Linux API. I agree fully. But being non-conventional, being a port, being a clone, and being non-preferred... none of those things equates to not native.

            The API is irrelevant, so long as there's a native implementation of it, and Wine is a native implementation of the Win32 API on Linux (and other non-Windows systems).
          • djbon2112, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I, good sir, was wrong. You know very well what you're talking about!
    • BryanG412, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3Eve was a great game, too time consuming, I spent so many hours mining...only in space rated 0.6 or higher though
    • Planets, on 04/24/2008, -0/+6The title says killer games.
      • LocalDocal, on 04/24/2008, -1/+0Wow and COD4 is included. What do you want?
        • Planets, on 04/24/2008, -2/+2I may have said it incorrectly. I was replying to a post that asked where Eve was. That's *not* a "killer" game.
    • martindale, on 04/24/2008, -3/+2However, WINE runs EVE Online for Windows just fine, at a higher FPS than Windows.

      You will need to move tahoma.ttf into WINE's C:/WINDOWS/FONTS directory, and bingo.
      • craigyjack, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5uhm, not for me. Running EVE on linux is slower, more laggy, and buggy. It runs better for me in Windows. I wish they would have invested the time to make native clients instead of half-assing it and using wrappers.
        • mrsteveman1, on 04/24/2008, -0/+3There are some who believe the existence of these binary wrappers discourages native development because it isn't necessary to port it for the program to "work" on a platform.

          This is of course very bad for a platform, you get to drag 15 years of another platforms API forward with you without ever actually using that older platform.
      • shredswithpiks, on 04/24/2008, -0/+2ariel.ttf is always the one I need...
    • SasquatchBill, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5Now wait a second...

      "Epic fail"?! But you just said "Not bad'! FFS, please stop using the word "epic"... especially if you might as well replace it with "minor".

      Yeesh.
    • tech42er, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Comment abuse, but this mirror works: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:www.vgpro.com/ ...
    • rpgmaker, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1First "Linux games" list on digg that isn't completely lame ever.
    • ronjohnson, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Wolfenstein ET, while dated is still running strong because it is a good game. Available for LInux, MAC & PC

      On that note ETQW is Linux, PC & MAC too
    • lordspidey, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Last time i checked EvE does not have a native linux client.

      But my favorite space mmorpg does :) http://vendetta-online.com/
    • mitrovarr, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Everything I've ever seen about EVE online says that it's a grindfest to beat all grindfests, and it's easy to have a pker take it all away from you at the drop of a hat. I wouldn't touch that fountain of misery for anything.
  • lylepratt, on 04/24/2008, -4/+41Wow what an oversight indeed! I have now noted it at the end at your recommendation.
    • kamilmarkowicz, on 04/24/2008, -7/+9Site is down, mirror: http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/1337_5_Killer_PC_ ...
      / Sorry for comment abuse
    • Smegzor, on 04/24/2008, -4/+2Also missing; TrackMania Forever (released a week ago), Battlefield 1942 (old but good), Oblivion, World of Padman, Halflife2, Portal, Steam, Counter Strike.
    • Tony611, on 04/24/2008, -0/+6dugg because i respect someone who listens to comments and doesn't just submit stories and forget about em.
    • expert01, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2My graphics card (onboard) is not very well supported. Out of all the games that I tried, Tremulous seemed to run the best while also being pretty fun. Although it seems to be full of elitist pricks. Seriously, kickbanning me just because I'm new to the game? It's not my fault that you can't place turrets worth a damn and kept getting us slaughtered!
    • zongamin, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2See that 'reply' link?
  • 0L1VER, on 04/24/2008, -64/+3[Comment removed by me] - Feel free to bury.
    • xlneoMAXlx, on 04/24/2008, -2/+2OKAY! :D
    • OaklandNative, on 04/24/2008, -14/+41Aha. I finally figured the system out. If you tell diggers to bury you, they will digg you up due to their intense aversion to being told what to do. But if you give them the option to bury you, they will exercise their free will and it's adios *****. With this knowledge, I will rule the internet!

      Digg me down.
      • echotech, on 04/24/2008, -1/+2Dugg for psych.
      • tHePeOPle, on 04/24/2008, -2/+8Don't tell me what to do!
      • blagoaw, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Or you can be like me, and just post really really late. It's got the soothing no-one's-watching-anyway feel of being on community cable at 3am. And only one or two orders of magnitude more pathetic.
  • oomfoofoo, on 04/24/2008, -21/+9Too bad I don't use ubuntu, these games look like they would be fun to play.
    • lylepratt, on 04/24/2008, -2/+5The ones which require Wine MAY work fine on other distros, however the Rating is based on a per distro basis. However, the games which do not require Wine should work fine on any linux distro!
      • weizbox, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3They WILL work on any major desktop distro with WINE, assuming you have the supported graphic hardware to begin with(ATI and nVidia cards should be no sweat). I actually was wondering why you made this a Ubuntu-specific article... but I guess since you weren't sure about the others.. it makes sense now :)

        Remember that it's Linux.. you just need the dependencies in order to run it.. and you can run it. Simple.

        What 'Rating' are you referring to? The test result Rating? If so.. I wouldn't pay much attention to that on a per-distro basis. If one can work, the rest can work.
        • frazw, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1I assume he is referring to the wine appdb which rates programs per distro. The ratings are often different for the same app on different distros. In theory you are correct, Linux is Linux but the amount of variation in each "current" release can be a lot, e.g. different kernel versions, making some distros more bleeding edge than others. That can all make a difference unless you are willing to be pro-active and sort problems out yourself.
    • bj1989, on 04/24/2008, -1/+6I think he tries to ridicule the fact that the submitter says playable on hardy while in fact these games are playable breezy to feisty and pretty much any other linux distribution
      • phoenixp3k, on 04/24/2008, -0/+4What would of been funny is if he was thinking that because he's using Windows he couldn't play those games.
  • estvir, on 04/24/2008, -22/+8Haha.. wait, they're being serious?
  • bj1989, on 04/24/2008, -4/+78Ok cool but I absolutely disagree with COD4. Only apply a small patch to wine, sounds like a piece of cake right? In fact, you have to compile the patch in wine yourself which means that you won't have the advantages of a prepackaged wine for your distribution! In addition, yes COD4 runs but you forgot to mention that you have to disable like half of the graphical effects to make it playable.
    • leerayIG88, on 04/24/2008, -8/+2I don't believe you.......omg.
    • socketman, on 04/24/2008, -8/+30And that's why I still use windows for now...
      • Ki77erB, on 04/24/2008, -31/+4You go right ahead. ohhh...whats thats...its Thursday...time for your daily spyware/adware/malware scan...better get to it!! You should probably go ahead and do your hourly virus scan while you at it....better safe than sorry, thats what I always say!
        • Scatropolis, on 04/24/2008, -2/+20Brother...I don't have any spyware/adware/malware software installed at all and somehow I survive.
          • Ki77erB, on 04/24/2008, -10/+5Get Spybot and run a scan...I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised!
          • sienar, on 04/24/2008, -2/+11no, Scatropolis is right. windows xp past SP2 and vista are both very good at working without any anti-virus or anti-spyware, assuming you don't have a user disabling security features and installing ***** from the internet
          • nationalist, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1waiting for 'how do you know if you have a virus?' comment
        • HoratioHellpop, on 04/24/2008, -2/+2@Ki77erB --- actually, only pinhead computer users (apparently like yourself) need to worry about that stuff, post XP SP2.
        • Synapse84, on 04/24/2008, -1/+1@Ki77erB, ahahahah oh wait.... you're serious?
          not everyone has spyware/malware problems... I haven't had spyware/malware since Windows 98... which was about the time i figured out Comet Cursor and Bonzai Buddy were bad for the computer...
          Firefox + Latest Windows Patches is all thats needed, anything more is extra precautions.

          and btw.... Operating Systems are only as strong as the users running them.... You could install Linux on your moms computer, i tell her to run "rm -rf /" and bam... say goodbye to linux.... if she was on Windows i could tell her "format c: /y" and say goodbye to windows.
        • jamesdew, on 04/24/2008, -2/+5thats not the point, despite windows' many issues it's still the best gaming OS out there, there is really no argument against this.
          • Synapse84, on 04/24/2008, -1/+4whoever buried you is an idiot so i dugg you up.

            but yea, Linux and Mac have nothing in terms of gaming... thats why i stick to Windows as well. I hate Windows, but I love my games too much to switch and fiddle around with the linux O/S for 45 minutes. Applying various "work-around" patches trying to get a simple game to run is retarded.
          • nandasunu, on 04/24/2008, -0/+3I dual boot for games.
          • FairDinkumMate, on 04/25/2008, -0/+7Is Windows the best gaming OS or is it the OS with the best games written for it?
          • jamesdew, on 04/25/2008, -0/+0does it matter? windows is still the best OS choice if you want to play games.
          • nandasunu, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1it matters to people who would rather not run windows at all.
        • int19h, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Synapse84: You could ask your mother to type rm -rf / and not a single system-file would be touched. That's the beauty of a security model that actually works.
        • Altanar, on 04/25/2008, -4/+1@int19h: Also, your mother could try install a graphics driver and find out that shed have to spend several hours manually editing X11 files after she realizes that the automated install made her screen go blank. Once she figures out how to log into a pure terminal mode, and learns the commands to do so.
          • RetepNamenots, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2That's why we like the new X-Org configuration features in HH.
    • minorthreat, on 04/24/2008, -1/+8and multiplayer doesn't work either right? I know there is a linux version for punkbuster, but from my research I found out that if you are running a windows based game in wine, punkbuster needs to be ran in wine also. As of my attempts last month, punkbuster will not work in wine. So unless some recent changes have been made I will give COD4 under ubuntu or your favorite version of linux a 3/10. Because yes, it will run slow in single player mode on low graphics.
    • kenplaysviola, on 04/24/2008, -1/+2And don't forget that after WINE 0.9.59, you are unable to apply the patch to the source code to play COD4. Now we're just waiting for the new patch to come out. OR, I just dual boot into Windows. That always works.
    • RetepNamenots, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1I didn't have to run any patches to play COD4 or Crysis; just had to copy some DX files from a copy of windows...
  • TonyKay, on 04/24/2008, -31/+18OMG 1337!!!!

    idiot.
    • dilibau, on 04/24/2008, -7/+9agreed... but concerning you
    • thebza451, on 04/24/2008, -1/+5no way, good call... using '1337' is like using 'epic win' and 'fail' and 'internets'... it's retarded, it makes you look retarded for using them, makes me feel retarded for having to read them over and over and over again every single day... like it's supposed to stay funny/get funnier as time passes and a billion posts later.. losers write ***** like 'epic' and '1337'.
  • Vindicoth, on 04/24/2008, -14/+52But.. can it play Crysis?
    • lylepratt, on 04/24/2008, -1/+10note quite: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=v ...
    • Makaveli604, on 04/24/2008, -24/+9As a Windows User, I have to say: who gives a *****?
      • aldenhg, on 04/24/2008, -6/+9As a Linux user, I have to say: Why are you here?
        • darkism, on 04/24/2008, -2/+4As a Mac user, I have to say: I have better things to do than play games.
          • Nougat, on 04/24/2008, -0/+11As a ZX80 user, I have to say HUNT THE WUMPUS.
          • vannoy, on 04/24/2008, -0/+6Like making photo books..
          • thebza451, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5better things like what, grow scruff on your face, ask for a shaggy haircut at fantastic sams, and wipe steve job's ass?
        • anoriega, on 04/24/2008, -0/+6As a Linux and Windows user, I have to say: Don't even waste your time thinking about Crysis. Throwing North Koreans into shacks and making them collapse is fun for a while, but the whole alien-last-half-of-game-running-at-10-fps thing is just as ***** as it was in Far Cry with the mutants.
        • Makaveli604, on 04/24/2008, -2/+3Why did you dig me down and act like I was disagreeing?

          I was quite obviously saying who gives a ***** that ubuntu cannot play Crysis, defending Linux.

          You're pretty ***** stupid.

          related: mac users do not have better things to do than play games.
      • fuzzlog, on 04/24/2008, -4/+1As a bike user, I have to say: Get off your fat asses and go play outside!!!!!!
        • Steeple, on 04/24/2008, -1/+8as a pedestrian i'd like to say "get off the ***** pavement!"
          • flangepiece, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4as a dog I'd like to say "woof, bark bark, woof grrrrrr"
      • Smegzor, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3Not me. I'm a Linux user and if I ***** you, I'd probably catch something unpleasant.
        • HueytheFreeman, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2HA! As if you've ever had sex.
          • Smegzor, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Two sons, James 11, and William 9 :P
            They're still slaves to Windows gaming though. They can't resist the candy.
    • briansearles, on 04/24/2008, -9/+55Can Windows?
      • headband, on 04/24/2008, -7/+13Yes
      • indigit4l, on 04/24/2008, -9/+3Beautifully, especially vista x64. when i reinstalled it on vista x64 i had to beat it again
      • HoratioHellpop, on 04/24/2008, -8/+6Yes, and quite well, Mr. Funny-Joke-Last-Month Boy.
    • tatinthehat, on 04/24/2008, -6/+10But will it blend?
    • Katana314, on 04/25/2008, -4/+3And the million dollar question!
      Who cares?
    • TommyTikal, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Not yet, but Crysis is pretty glitchy on it's own, nevermind trying to get it going on a Linux Box.

      Though I still love the game, and Linux. Happy 8.04 from me on my Linux Game Box.

    • RetepNamenots, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I can play it on Crysis, you just need a fixed EXE to get past the securom.
  • craftyguy, on 04/24/2008, -7/+141Though the title is true, it's a bit misleading. ALL of these games are playable on other distros (gentoo, fedora, etc). If you can install the latest builds of Wine, you can run any of these apps.

    Ubuntu = Linux
    Linux != Ubuntu
    • pizpot, on 04/24/2008, -3/+6that said, in 7.10 you could coun't on:

      -multiplayer not working
      -full screen screwing up

      in hardy 8.04 wine works proper
    • thewump, on 04/24/2008, -7/+3And "google" does not mean "to search the web", but really - who the ***** cares. Did it confuse you?
    • outsid3rNo17, on 04/24/2008, -2/+17Ubuntu Є Linux
      Ubuntu ≠ Linux
      • phyx726, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3discrete math was fun
      • abdiviklas, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Well "Linux" isn't really a set, but "Linux Distros" is. so,
        Ubuntu ∈ Linux Distros
        Ubuntu ≠ Linux
    • webcrumb, on 04/24/2008, -7/+2Ubuntu => Linux
      • webcrumb, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1OK, how does Ubuntu not imply Linux?

        T=>T
        F=>T
        T≠>F
    • node3, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3Sure, but they are *specifically* playable on Ubuntu 8.04. With other x86 distros, you can most probably get them to play, with anything ranging from no extra effort, to considerable compiling and library updating.

      But with Ubuntu? You're golden. That's why Ubuntu is so popular. They understand that "if you can install the latest builds of Wine", for the vast majority of users, equates to "in other words, *you'll* never get this to work, just stick with Windows".
      • RandaII, on 04/25/2008, -5/+2how ***** hard is it to "yum install wine"? you need to get out more. most distros are easy to install apps. ubuntu is just a disto for ***** up fan boys
        • FairDinkumMate, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Attitudes like yours are holding the entire community back!
          What is the one of the most important things that every Linux user wants that will help ALL Linux distros? - I would suggest more hardware & software support from suppliers. An increased user base(something which Ubuntu is doing the MOST for out of all Linux distros - without doubt!) will put more pressure on suppliers to provide native Linux drivers, native Linux games(which doesn't matter to lots of people but does to others so is important), as well as encouraging users to develop more Open Source software, so I would suggest you stop bagging other distros & support the LINUX community(of which Ubuntu is a part)
    • uberon, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1ubuntu ------------>Linux ++++++++++++++
  • dramaticlemur, on 04/24/2008, -10/+44Will those Ubuntu games run on Windows ?
    • lylepratt, on 04/24/2008, -22/+5yes. All of the games mentioned will run on windows.
    • outsid3rNo17, on 04/24/2008, -4/+2If there was demand they would have ported them. Digg has become a place of blind Windows bashing.
  • RedTroll, on 04/24/2008, -37/+191I'm running an alternative operating system called Windows and I really wish I could play some of those titles. Sure, Windows may not have as many cool games as Ubuntu but it suits my needs just fine and I think that having an alternative to using $huttleworth's OS is really important.
    • TheRealToma, on 04/24/2008, -4/+16You should try Torvald$ Linux.
    • RedTroll, on 04/24/2008, -9/+24Linux is a kind of Ubuntu, that's why the title says "Ubuntu" not "Linux".
      • MonsterChaOS, on 04/24/2008, -20/+7Wooooooooooosh!
        • KraftDinner101, on 04/24/2008, -3/+30He woooshed on his own joke? Woosh, yourself.
        • HoratioHellpop, on 04/24/2008, -0/+2Monster, I honestly don't think I've ever read something as stupid as your wooosh. Thanks for the laugh.
    • dilibau, on 04/24/2008, -13/+4/sarcasm
      There, now you're message is complete
    • minorthreat, on 04/24/2008, -11/+6The difference between you and I is... I found alot of satisfaction in not forking over money to bill gates for inferior software :)
      • UnWeave, on 04/24/2008, -2/+8*you and me, actually. And yeah, you get 5 games I can play. Out of the HUNDREDS THAT I HAVE TO CHOSE FROM. Granted this is all good for Linux, but don't go pretending it's suddenly on par with Windows for gaming.
      • aklu, on 04/24/2008, -1/+5People pay for software? That's insane.
      • KiraDnote, on 04/24/2008, -7/+1You think people actually pay for windows? It comes free with new computers or you bootleg it.
        • newwatch51, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Uh no. Part of the cost of the computer goes to the software. Yeah, you could pirate it, but that's illegal
      • bmystry, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Well I found a lot of satisfaction giving him my money because he's my best friend.
      • DanNZN, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I never really understood why it is acceptable to pay $40- $50 for a game that you play for a few months but paying $150 for the OS that makes running those games easy and will last several years is right out.
    • nailer, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2I just shot milk out of my nose. Befriended.
  • 35263526, on 04/24/2008, -9/+17No ETQW == Epic Fail, especially with CoD4 on that list.
    • lylepratt, on 04/24/2008, -0/+11Thanks! it has been added at your recommendation.
    • username7D8, on 04/24/2008, -1/+8also don't forget JLAKJOW
  • projr3volution, on 04/24/2008, -11/+11If Battlefield 2142 could work in Ubuntu I would so be done with Windows. One of the only things that keeps me from switching over completely.
  • nominalgeek, on 04/24/2008, -24/+11Epic Fail, this applies to most Linux Distros not just Ubuntu (or even simpler anything that can run wine). Getting tired of this Ubuntu crap...

    WINE != UBUNTU
    • aspec, on 04/24/2008, -5/+10Say what you will about Ubuntu and being sick of it, but Ubuntu has done more for linux visability than any other distro.

      People see the word linux, they think of nerd guys who spend their time flipping between rebuilds of their os and IRC.

      People see the word Ubuntu, they think "difficult to pronounce windows alternative".
    • frazw, on 04/24/2008, -1/+2First it was Linux users standing against MS as a community. Now it's squabbling amongst ourselves over which slight variation on the same thing is better.
      Are you jealous of the success of Ubuntu?
      • WhereAmI, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1No one is jealous at the success of Ubuntu, its all the idiots like you that come out here thinking your so awesome because you run ubuntu and its popular. Just shut the ***** up. And I use Kubuntu on my desktop.
        • frazw, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Idiots like me?? I never promote one distro over another, they all have a place, same goes for the various OS's, I never force my opinion on anyone else. I do sometimes get frustrated at inadequacies in Linux just as I do with Windows or anything else and that may come across in some of my comments but for the most part I try to be open minded and see the good in any system.
          I'm a little surprised at the venom in your comment actually since I never alluded to the fact that I use Ubuntu, or think I'm awesome. In fact I was merely curious as to why there is so much in fighting in the computing community which has now spilled into the linux community and in this case Ubuntu relevant.
          Still, thanks for prejudging me on the basis of 3 sentences.
  • alexismyhomeboi, on 04/24/2008, -3/+47My favorite part is that vgpro is actually keeping up with this digg submission. They made edits to the article based on the comments here.
  • FuckXboxx, on 04/24/2008, -5/+14Sweet...I've been hoping and praying I'd be able to replace Windows with Linux to play games.

    Once I do that I'll never have to contribute to M$ again.

    This is a step in the right direction...
  • flarn2006, on 04/24/2008, -4/+12Hell's not freezing over yet, but I just saw a pig fly by my house!
    • psion01, on 04/24/2008, -0/+12Nah ... that's just Steve Ballmer throwing things again.
      • cawpin, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1He's in training with Bobby Knight.

        Lesson 1: Phones
        Lesson 2: Chairs
    • Katana314, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Play the newest Sam and Max...
  • leerayIG88, on 04/24/2008, -13/+11337 that i am,
  • uziko, on 04/24/2008, -29/+4linux is crap just admit it
    • Kardall, on 04/24/2008, -3/+5Linux is better than Windows in many respects. Hell OS/2 Warp was better than windows currently... however, there are areas that they need help with in order to make it a true general usage contender.
      The residential market finds it hard to switch 100% to Ubuntu/RedHat/Etc. because they can't 1) play games or 2) have problems learning the software that does the same thing in linux, but functions slightly different.
      Some people are stuck in their ways, and find it hard to learn something new. Once you try it though, you won't go back. I have both systems, and I use windows for gaming and such, but Ubuntu for my day-to-day office usage.
      In comparison, I have formatted my Windows machine once already, and Ubuntu runs smoothly no matter what I do to it...
      • powatom, on 04/24/2008, -3/+2Just ***** bury him next time.
        • uziko, on 04/24/2008, -3/+1No, i know where he is coming from. He was probably shocked that someone dare challenge the notion that linux is actually not the god of all operating systems. He just couldn't handle the fact that someone came and ruined the mass linux and macsterbation that goes on here at digg daily.
      • uziko, on 04/24/2008, -6/+1Operating systems are for 1 thing, running programs. With windows I can run 99% of programs out there with no problems and with good performance.

        Linux however runs less than 1% of programs out there.

        There I just proved that linux is crap and windows is good. Yes I know the facts don't matter to you.
        • AICkieran, on 04/24/2008, -1/+2And you're a troll, if you don't like linux, don't comment.

          Linux runs plenty of software, there is plenty of alternative software out there(the exceptions being games and audio/video editing).

          Use what you enjoy using, if that happens to be Windows, so be it, I use it on a daily basis(along with windows and OS X) but leave everybody elses choice alone. Linux is a fantastic learning tool and has helped me in many ways, especially understanding networks and services, playing with linux acting as a gateway (routing, dns cache, trans proxy(handling caching, ad filtering and virus scanning), firewall, ids and traffic shaping), a VoIP gateway, test box(web server, database, MTA(well, getting there), etc). Tell me, how could I do this as easily on Windows without the aid of MSDN/Technet subscription, paying extortionate license fees or pirating *****?
          • uziko, on 04/24/2008, -4/+1I love it when people respond with calling people a troll, it means I automatically win the debate.

            Your case is a bit different because it's not the usual "your a troll" and that's it, you actually responded with a real response, however you still included the word that automatically makes me win the debate. Shame too, because i could have actually continued this conversation however you have already proven that you are not capable of responding to opinions that you don't agree with appropriately. You lose.
          • uziko, on 04/24/2008, -4/+1Oh and with your logic if you don't like my comment don't comment either, yea, I guess your a hypocrite, and incapable of having a rational conversation. Ouch.
          • AICkieran, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2The reason I called you a troll is because you commented on a linux story without actually presenting a reasonable point of view and just wanting to bash it (your initial comment at least, how about providing your reasons for it being 'crap' in the initial posting).

            The reason I commented was not just to call you a troll but present my view on Linux and why I respect it. I can respond in a reasonable manor to any points actually raised (as you see I have with the alternatives).

            The way you responded without actually addressing my point instead just dismissing me as a 'hypocrite' suggests to me that you have no response to the points I raised, which as you say, is a shame.
        • 1timeuser, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1But it runs all the software I want it to run, so you see, It's not crap.
    • WhereAmI, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Your comment brought to use by Diggs servers which are Debian.

      Thanks, Linux!
  • Quick2822, on 04/24/2008, -19/+25So how many of you will be formatting your PC to get rid of Windows to install Ubuntu so you can play all the greatest games?

    I wish Digg had a :rolleyes: emot.
    • Picaroon, on 04/24/2008, -1/+2I, for one, maintain 2 partitions and thus 2 OS's. No need to get rid of Windows.
      Unfortunately, I need certain Windows programs that I simply can't run in Linux.
    • fuzzlog, on 04/24/2008, -0/+8Nah, no need to reformat. Linux play well with others, doesn't care if it is in the first partition, last, middle, on external drive, usb drive, etc. It will even fix your windows partition for you if you get stuck with a drive that crashed.
    • node3, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5You've got the causal chain all mixed up. It's not installing Ubuntu in order to play Windows games, it's being able to play Windows games in Ubuntu in order to to away with Windows.
    • WhereAmI, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4At first I had Kubuntu on a separate partition. Then Windows really started to piss me off, so when Gutsy came around, oh what great timing. Goodbye, windows.
  • flarn2006, on 04/24/2008, -1/+19Second Life doesn't even require Wine, let alone a patched version! But then again, it's not technically a game...
    • tEhKewleSt, on 04/24/2008, -0/+18Sigh...

      Second Life? Really?
    • DeFex, on 04/24/2008, -0/+9let alone "killer"
    • TheZorch, on 04/24/2008, -4/+3There are "games" in Second Life. "Toxia City" (think I got the name right) is an RPG in the virtual world of "Second Life" where players have stats and attributes and play the role of different classes such as vampires, demons, and stuff. Its a dark, grungy, and hard edged role-playing environment all built on a private island.

      Its not the only out in SL either, there are several other such games in the virtual world. There is one being developed, I think its still under development, which is based on "Stargate SG1" and has working Stargates. They even sell them for use as teleporters. There are Stargates all over Second Life.
      • Verz, on 04/24/2008, -1/+7That's an amazing story. Will you tell it again?
    • 1timeuser, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Get a first life!
  • ErikHarrison, on 04/24/2008, -19/+8Lame attempt for diggs. Epic Fail.
    • dyous87, on 04/24/2008, -2/+1Lame attempt at having a life. Bigger Epic Fail.
  • LunaticFringe, on 04/24/2008, -2/+17Valve is supposedly going to start developing for Linux.
    • justice7, on 04/24/2008, -7/+20*looks out window and up to the sky*
      nope, no pigs .. .
      *checks desk area at work*
      nope, hell hasn't frozen over
      *checks on your mom*
      nope, you mom hasnt sung yet

      sorry dude, not happening.
      • AYork, on 04/24/2008, -3/+18Srsly, they are. There will be a Linux-specific release of Duke Nukem Forever. I hear what's holding the whole thing up is the OS/2 version.
      • Hoody28405, on 04/24/2008, -5/+3That was pretty good up until the very low "mom" comment.
        • WhereAmI, on 04/25/2008, -0/+5That was awesome. Most of the your mom comments involve sex, this was the fat singing lady, and at this point a classic and not a bad picture for anyway unless they find fatty's repulsing.
  • H0ns, on 04/24/2008, -0/+81337 mirror we need
  • Owned1Up, on 04/24/2008, -19/+125A TOTAL OF 5!?!?!?!?! #%# YEAH!, take that microsoft!
    • ZaZ2137, on 04/24/2008, -3/+6The idea here is 5 MODERN games play on linux with little effort
      • Altanar, on 04/25/2008, -3/+4If by little effort, you mean several hours to get the games running and not necessarily well.
  • zarque, on 04/24/2008, -6/+13im also sick of this fanboyism! I use Hardy and love it but this is not distro specific whatsoever
    • d3k4y, on 04/24/2008, -2/+9Yeah, but you get more traffic if Ubuntu is in the title. Start a blog and try it.
  • farkis, on 04/24/2008, -14/+9I liked ubuntu when I tried it, everything seemed to work wonderfully including my games, but then I booted into aptitude and the machine caught fire. Don't know what happened but it burned up and now I'm stuck with my Mom's Macintosh which really sucks because it has that weird mouse that you can only use with your left hand. I hate it. It also has viruses, which my virus scanner can't find. Can anyone help me get rid of them on the taskbar?
    • alefox, on 04/24/2008, -1/+11wtf are u talking about
    • chronichyjinx, on 04/24/2008, -0/+7Farkis Rules!
    • d3k4y, on 04/24/2008, -0/+6indeed. wtf? booted into aptitude? fire? just call geek squad and tell them what happened. please record and post the phone call too.
    • Ki77erB, on 04/24/2008, -0/+3Farkis, you are awesome! I dugg you up because I know your just being sarcastic, no one could possibly be that stupid IRL.
    • b1ll30, on 04/24/2008, -0/+3Moving story. One for the ages, one might say. I shed a tear for your burned husk of circuitry. Thanks Fargis.
    • SysstemLord, on 04/24/2008, -0/+4Digg him up! Let the world read.
    • Ki77erB, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1The last line is the absolute best. I nominate for quote of the month!
  • jp12380, on 04/24/2008, -2/+9The digg effect already. oy vey
  • j0ntsang, on 04/24/2008, -2/+4If this page could load any faster to a Load error... my goodness. BTW, STFU to anyone with an opinion. Internets are not for opinions.
  • drguerra, on 04/24/2008, -1/+10Mirror?
  • 350Zed, on 04/24/2008, -5/+3Mirror?
    • Matteos, on 04/24/2008, -3/+13On the wall...
    • SasquatchBill, on 04/24/2008, -3/+2Dugg, because I was thinking it and am glad that SOMEONE wrote it.
  • deanlowe, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5Did they name it after Robert?
  • oilcan, on 04/24/2008, -6/+1try 'easily' configuring all the buttons on your mx1000 to be bound to your F6-F12 keys. oh, sure, it can be done. but i'm saying 'easily' here.
    • FairDinkumMate, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2& if these buttons didn't work in a Windows distro would you blame Microsoft or the supplier?
  • bumcheekcity, on 04/24/2008, -4/+5Server Crash? On MY Digg? It's more likely than you think...
  • nyrol2, on 04/24/2008, -1/+5It seems as though right after they posted their article, they went to install these games on their ubuntu servers that were hosting the site. Mirror?
  • rollerboy, on 04/24/2008, -1/+6Can someone post a mirror? Or at least the list?
  • TotalHalibut, on 04/24/2008, -25/+4Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (11) in /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/libs/vgpro/mysql.php on line 58

    Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'Failed to create new mysql object. There is no connection to the database.' in /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/libs/vgpro/mysql.php:63 Stack trace: #0 /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/libs/vgpro/table.php(10): MySQL->__construct() #1 /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/libs/vgpro/table.php(67): Table->__construct() #2 /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/modules/site/libs/site.php(79): Table::factory('RedirectTable') #3 /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/htdocs/index.php(55): Site::redirectFind(Object(Action)) #4 {main} thrown in /home/axle/vhosts/www.vgpro.com/libs/vgpro/mysql.php on line 63

    ^ This is similar to what you'd see if you tried to run anything else on Linux :>
    • fuzzlog, on 04/25/2008, -0/+0lol the database is offline. Now try running windows applications while the required database is offline. It won't even give you a hint of what's going on, only cryptic error messages leaving you whining at customer service for help. whaaaaa!! whaaaa!
  • Volaitle86, on 04/24/2008, -15/+6MIRROR MOTHER *****!
    • DeathGod321, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3I'm sorry sir, I don't speak it.
  • musntSurfatWork, on 04/24/2008, -11/+6PC Gaming Died when EA started killing off talent.
    • kettlehead, on 04/24/2008, -1/+4Rumors of it's death have been greatly exaggerated.
      • Smegzor, on 04/24/2008, -1/+1No they haven't
      • ilmmad, on 04/24/2008, -2/+1Unfortunately few people will get the joke, much less the specific Oscar Wilde quote.
        • Sokkratez, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2It's quite widely used in pop culture.
    • SSCrow, on 04/24/2008, -0/+3........I work at EA.......
      And this may be a shock to you. But we don't make half as ***** PC versions of our games as Ubisoft.
      However Activision does seem to be kicking ass in the PC market. But at least we have Valve & Maxis.
    • CrushThemTorg, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1EA may have killed PC gaming, but you just killed English.
  • d3k4y, on 04/24/2008, -30/+7mirror: http://208.65.153.251/%77%61tch?v=eBGI%51%37%5auui ...
  • tEhKewleSt, on 04/24/2008, -3/+5Mirror?
  • theculchie1, on 04/24/2008, -8/+1http://duggmirror.com?
  • theculchie1, on 04/24/2008, -11/+3http://duggmirror.com
  • google01103, on 04/24/2008, -7/+3If only Ubuntu wasn't the only Linux distro with this advananced capability (or over zealos fan boys) - come on people Ubuntu is not better or more capable then any other distro, it just has more obnoxious suporters who proclaim powers and abilities not unique to it.
    • Ademan, on 04/24/2008, -1/+6Ubuntu IS better, maybe not from a technical standpoint, but it has all of the advantages of apt+dpkg without the disadvantages of debian's default software load and default configs, has a wonderful community ready to help you, and a large financial backing...

      That sounds *better* to me. I'm not saying that ubuntu is the best, it's all a matter of preference, but there ARE reasons you could call ubuntu better than others...
      • newwatch51, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Default software load? You don't know what you're talking about. It is possible to install a very minimal version of Debian.
        • Ademan, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Nice ad hominem, I do know what i'm talking about. What you said is, in fact EXACTLY the problem, the default debian install is VERY spartan, I'm a big proponent for the "batteries included" approach, i'd rather work backwards and strip out crap I don't need than track down what I do need, it goes a very long way towards standardizing linux. The beauty of linux isn't that you HAVE TO search through 30 alternative pieces of software to pick what you want, it's that you CAN do that if you choose. Ubuntu gets this right, debian does not. That's not to say I don't like debian, if you look through my comment history I respect debian alot, dpkg and apt wouldn't be around without it, and the debian community helps maintain all of the packages that ubuntu users rely on (and vice versa of course). And then there's the fact that debian supports just about every arch ....ever.... that's commendable, and some people swear by debian's incremental approach to updates. But i stand by what I said before, that ubuntu IS better, for the reasons i've mentioned, but to each his own.
        • newwatch51, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Ah ok. Guess I misunderstood you. Sorry for being so harsh.
    • thewump, on 04/24/2008, -0/+5It has a better level of community based support for first time users using it as a desktop application.. and that means alot.
    • Dhekke, on 04/24/2008, -0/+4Weird thing is that after decades strugling to make linux mainstream and available to the great public, now that one distro kinda got there it is treated like the "too pop for our indie party" guy
  • whyufail, on 04/24/2008, -5/+11A handful of games does not a gaming OS make. Trust me, I would kill to be able to switch to linux, but having tried twice in the past, its not a viable system if you have anything more than a casual interest in playing games.
    • MWeather, on 04/24/2008, -2/+3Thankfully most desktop users can't run most games on Windows, let alone on Linux, so gaming isn't an inhibitor to adoption.
    • PatrickBrown, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3Why not just dual boot? It takes me two minutes to reboot into a vanilla XP install for games.

      The "gaming" argument always seemed like a poor argument to me. For me, the added functionality, customization, and features of Linux outweigh the 2 minute wait that I have when deciding to play a game.
      • xNIBx, on 04/25/2008, -5/+4Why dual boot if i can do everything that i want by using windows? Security? I havent been hacked or caught a virus/spyware/malware for over a decade and i dont even use an antivirus(i just use common sense and updated windows). Chances of getting hacked due to 0day exploit are near zero, so i dont care. Stability? Both vista and xp have reached unprecedented levels of stability(compared to win98 for example) so stability isnt an issue.

        Cost? Well 100$ isnt much, especially when the cost is spread over 3-4 years of usage of the OS. So i pay 2$ per month to microsoft, big deal. Performance? Well i only need performance for games and since i cant play most games in linux, linux performance is irrelevant. Free software? I get that on windows. Customization? Sorry i dont enjoy tempering for a billion hours with the font type and size. Windows font size/type is good enough for me. Appearance? Vista look prettier than ubuntu. Yes, you have 3d ***** and everything with compiz but all these arent useful features (or they are as useful as the useless 3d flip that vista has) and they still need tinkering to be enabled.

        Linux fanboys should stop using stability and security as disadvantages of windows because simply those things are non issues for windows users anymore. Linux's advantages are cost, performance(on really old pcs with no ram) and open source(which is essential for when you have critical data in your computer and you dont want third parties to use backdoors that their proprietary programs/OS have).

        But windows have many advantages compared to linux. Ms office, photoshop, games, other applications that work only on windows or even online banking that requires explorer/windows, drivers(no, drivers that simply kinda work arent good enough, i want drivers that enable me to use every single feature of my hardware), etc. How do you expect a company to use Open Office, when if someone writes a crappy wysiwyg document in ms office, open office can sometimes render the .doc inaccuretely.

        I am talking from a personal experience about open office 2.something that i tried and it didnt render a .doc correctly. It didnt split the table correctly into the next page, while on ms office the table was correctly split. Yes, if the author had used ctrl+enter, the document would have had proper page breaker, but 99% of ms office users dont know how to properly write a document. Ms office is a wysiwyg application and people expect it to work.

        Pc is just a machine, an appliance. Do you know how your car works? Do you tune it? Do you know how your fridge works? Your air condition? Your elevator? Your watch? Your cellphone? People use a billion things in their every day life. They dont know how they work and they arent interested in tinkering them. They dont assume that whatever the OS those machines run, defines their personality and values. Yet linux users assume that they are the true rebels and "Look at us, we dont have proprietary and drm *****, etc". And they do all that while using a cpu that has the same trusted computing drm technology that that vista has.

        Keep fighting the Man Che Guevara.

        PS Ubuntu doesnt even play dvd movies ffs out of the box. I mean i am not asking codecs or anything, but damn dvd movies?
        • Biznarie, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3What was the point of that? really does it matter to you if this guy likes linux and likes his dual boot setup? Theres no need to totally go off and write a book. He said "The "gaming" argument always seemed like a poor argument to me. For me, the added functionality, customization, and features of Linux outweigh the 2 minute wait that I have when deciding to play a game." Thats his personal choice, theres no need to attack him man.

          All you need to play DVD's on Ubuntu is a codec which is downloaded inside the media player (it works similar to installing flash in firefox on windows)
          • xNIBx, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2He said "why dont you dual boot" and i wrote my argument why dual booting isnt worth it for the majority of the people. And the gutsy gibbon that i tried, had totem as default media player. I put a dvd movie in and it didnt work. After spending 5secs in the internet and i found the solution. I had to go to command line and type "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh". Now this wasnt hard for me but your average pc user is absolutely terrified of the command line and doesnt really want to search the internet for something that is taken for granted for other OS.

            And the main reason that ubuntu doesnt play dvd movies out of the box is simply because the dvd codec isnt exactly free or legal. You see, drm friendly OS is useful. What is the point of an OS if it cant play dvd or blurays? Just because you enjoy linux because you like recompiling kernels and mounting your hard disks by using a script, doesnt mean that the vast majority of people enjoy that. If anything the vast majority of people dont enjoy that.

            And the only reason linux is starting to actually succeed in desktop pc, is because people behind ubuntu have started to realise that "Hey, if something is user friendly, more people will use it, who would have thought that?". Linux was designed around the OS, not around the user. Most linux fanboys think that the user is there to serve the OS and that the OS is some kind of divine entity that the user must sacrifice his time and blood to, in order to work with it because otherwise he isnt worthy of using such an OS.

            No, having a billion trillion possible options isnt good for me. I just want a good option, an option that works. The same way i dont search around, trying to install more efficient algorithms into my elevator. I expect people at OTIS to know their job and give me a sufficient enough system. I dont care if it is proprietary. I dont care if it is 5% less efficient, uses 2% more electricity and needs 10% more maintenance. I dont have time to learn every little detail about every little thing in the universe and all the possible alternative solutions to everything.

            What added functionality does ubuntu have? What interesting thing can an average desktop user do with ubuntu that he cant do with windows? And the only cool feature that ubuntu has compared to windows is the uber add/remove programs, which has a list of pretty much all programs that exist for linux(thousands), organised into categories so that the noob user can easily add/remove them. But microsoft cant possibly add such a thing to windows because they will get sued to oblivion for abusing their monopoly in order to promote specific programs.
          • Dmanaway, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1No one likes your excessively long comments.
          • xNIBx, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Correction, noone with ADD likes long comments. But hey, you are free to bury me, proving that you dont need to argue in digg, you can just mob bury people who disagree with you.

            PS I didnt bury any of the pro linux posts, yet my pro windows posts are buried. This just shows which who is the true fanboy.
          • Biznarie, on 04/25/2008, -0/+0No your long 5-6 paragraph comments are excessive, who would want to take the time to read them? There's lots of added functionality, to bring this a bit more on topic i created a file so that when i log on i can choose a session JUST for Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, it doesn't load a bunch of extra stuff which gives me a nice performance boost (and less hiccups during gameplay), normally in windows i cant get 60fps on max settings but in Ubuntu I can. Your completely free to change what you want on Linux that in itself is added functionality. Also adding ET:QW was VERY easy, all it required was adding a text file with ET:QW name and executable path in it, and the other day i added my /home to its own partition and now i can reinstall anytime i want and keep all my settings (and games since i installed them there) just need to re-install programs. Sure I don't think a regular user can do this, but I've setup Ubuntu on some of my dads friends machines (coming from vista) and they loved it, keep in mind they barely know what windows is, so its easy enough to use it just depends on your needs if you can use it or not, for me the answer is yes, for you maybe not, but that's fine its not for everyone. With that added functionality plus some really good OSS, really good security, and stability I think its worth it to dual boot.
    • dracflamloc, on 04/24/2008, -2/+2Past != Present
    • twiztidsinz, on 04/24/2008, -1/+3I'm with you... I'm neither a Microsoft fanboy nor a Linux fanboy, though I'd love to use Linux simply because its free and opensource.
      However, since I've NEVER been able to get more than 25~30% of my videos to play correctly (sometimes even the same encoding method) and the fact that many games either don't work or are a headache to make work, I'm sticking with Windows.
      I think Linux, namely K/Ubuntu is at a good place right now where they should take a step back from being 'like windows' and fix some of the issues that many new/inexperienced users have that keep the average person (people like me) from making the jump over.
    • newwatch51, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Look, there are plenty of really good games that run natively in Linux. They may not be the newest and most graphically demanding, but that's what game consoles are for.
  • Zlorp, on 04/24/2008, -14/+7burried for the use of "1337"
    • Shawn4168, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1burrried for the use of too many "r"s
  • Jalh, on 04/24/2008, -2/+7digg effect is the real killer
  • tont0r, on 04/24/2008, -7/+8I long for the day where we can leave "leet speak" out of the titles.
    • iunno666, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Me too, but a ton of people on the internet are ***** idiots, so probably not too many people will agree with you. Or me. In fact I'd be willing to bet that this post will get below the viewable threshold. By the way, I tried WINE recently and it sucks. A lot. Steam ran, but I could only see 2 messages at most.
      • Dmanaway, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1It's a work in progress, and it's an extremely difficult endeavor. It's ironic how you stated that "people on the internet are ***** idots" and then went on to say something borderline idiotic.
  • Unknowable, on 04/24/2008, -11/+7http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/1337_5_Killer_PC_ ... is working fine
  • eddywin, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1another one bites the dust
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