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- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -8/+49Change all references of Milk to Semen and forward this to my wife please. Thank you very much.
- Matt2k, on 04/27/2008, -0/+36I don't know about you, but I intend to live forever
So far it's working out well - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -5/+36Your wife only takes pasteurized semen?
- AManWithNoName, on 04/27/2008, -21/+49People aren't going to shorten their lifespans by significant margins by drinking milk, pasteurized or not. Our society is so hell-bent on making sure that every last threat to our lives is gone, but we need to stop and realize that we will never be immortal, no matter how close we may come. The scientists who decided this matter could instead be working on a true threat to humans, such as cancer or AIDS.
Both the health freaks and the OCD scientists need to ease up and look at the big picture, instead of focusing on milk bacteria or other trivial matters. - MississippiLife, on 04/27/2008, -1/+28Interesting story.
Never knew about milk bootleggers! - marjon90, on 04/27/2008, -3/+29I drank raw milk from age 5 to 18 and was never sick form it. We milked our own cows and sold some raw milk to those who wanted it.
Modern dairy practices are significantly more sanitary than when the pasteurization was mandated. Cows teats are washed prior to milking. They are dipped after to prevent infections. In many dairy's cows never lay in manure and seldom walk in it.
Being raised on a farm, I would be more worried about meat and milk from a processing plant than from a farm that I can inspect myself and observed how those animals are treated. One bad or unlucky producer can contaminate all the output from a processing plant.
Decentralize and let the consumers decide. - mojo8472, on 04/27/2008, -3/+26I live on a dairy farm in the UK and have drunk raw milk pretty much every day of my life. The most ill I've ever been was with the chickenpox! And yeah, raw milk is on another taste level compared to pasteurized milk!
- santiago1, on 04/27/2008, -1/+24 EDIT: Sorry, meant to hit the reply button on OJ's post above me...
Reminds me of a joke:
A man was wondering if his teenage daughter was being promiscuous and asked her; "Do you know what a man's penis is for?" She replied; "Of course Daddy!
Thinking for a moment he responded: " Good, tell your Mother, because she apparently forgot...." - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -1/+23The process of heating semen to kill bacteria has been common for nearly a century, and selling unpasteurized semen for human consumption is currently illegal in Canada and in half the U.S. states. Yet thousands of people in North America still seek raw semen. Some say semen in its natural state keeps them healthy; others just crave its taste. Schmidt operates one of the many black-market networks that supply these raw-semen enthusiasts.
Schmidt showed men in biohazard suits around his barn, both annoyed and amused by the absurdity of the situation. The government had known that he was producing raw semen for at least a dozen years, yet an officer was now informing him that they would be seizing all the “unpasteurized product” and shuttling it to the University of Guelph for testing. - MosaicM, on 04/27/2008, -1/+21I am the Milkman. My milk is delicious.
- Garmonbozzia, on 04/27/2008, -1/+21Best line of the article: "Step away from the white liquid substance."
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+20You're an inspiration to us all.
- sherifftruman, on 04/27/2008, -4/+22"McAfee does not use antibiotics on his organic farm."
Of course not. McAfee=antiVIRUS - superduperguy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+15The health risks from dangerous bacterium in unpasteurized milk are far greater than any possible health benefits from its consumption. But banning raw milk as an illicit substance isn’t the solution.
- PabloMac, on 04/27/2008, -0/+13Your name says it all.
- bdjohnso10, on 04/27/2008, -1/+13In the beginning of the article a statement is made that our society is becoming too clean, and people are getting allergies and odd diseases because, when we do come in contact with bacteria our immune systems cant handle it.
- pattyman5000, on 04/27/2008, -2/+14Your semen comes from a teat?
- verevi, on 04/27/2008, -2/+14I've gotten it here in Texas (from a distributor that jumps through all the hoops to make it legal here) and its delicious. It seems odd that it is illegal in most circumstances. But the taste is really cleaner tasting. Its much better.
- stutimandal, on 04/27/2008, -3/+15I don't know if you guys would be interested in knowing some traditional methods from India :) But here it is. Boiling fresh raw milk has been a time-unknown procedure in India. Ayurveda supports the boiling process as well. I think it does removes a lot of "harmful bacteria," if you will.
Milk from different cows was not mixed in India, in the original market. Each milkman would sell fresh milk. Each purchaser would be responsible for boiling it before using it. (Boiling also helps in settling cream on the top, which is used as an ingredient in food/dishes/ghee/butter). - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+11"Milk as it emerges from the teat," how I have longed to read these words on Digg.
- MauKat, on 04/27/2008, -2/+13Long article but very interesting.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -1/+11OR he was making a joke.
- bdjohnso10, on 04/27/2008, -2/+12You get the unpasteurized semen from the cows?
- yonoz, on 04/27/2008, -0/+10Cheese is very different from raw milk that sat 12 hours too many in some grandma's fridge. Cheese is made in a way that encourages non-harmful bacteria to out-compete the dangerous kinds.
- JohnFlux, on 04/27/2008, -0/+10This is the trouble with individual accounts.
If you ate a raw egg every day for your whole life, then you'd only have a 1 in 22,000 chance of getting Saliminola. So for an individual it's pretty much safe to eat raw egg. But for a population to do it, 1 in 22,000 would catch it and pass it on, resulting in a large number of people of dying from it. - DephexTwin, on 04/27/2008, -0/+9See folks, this is what happens when you don't pasteurize your humor!
- smacksaw, on 04/27/2008, -7/+16Wow...I'm surprised this article made it. It's extremely long. Well, alright then.
Seems to me that as this sort of evidence becomes known, Monsanto and ADM will probably mobilise to crush it. I would just like to go back to the good old days when food was wholesome and natural. Is that so much to ask? - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -1/+10Yeah, I got that. You, however, seem to have missed that my comment was a joke - deliberately reading your comment too literally for humorous effect. But, like I've always said, the Internet really is where humor goes to die.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+8Banning anything isn't a solution...at least a Constitutional one. You have in inalienable right to drink, eat, smoke, snort anything you wish. It's your body and you pay the consequences if the affects are adverse. Getting a nanny state involved only makes things worse.
- Buckiller, on 04/27/2008, -0/+8"When I started talking to milk experts, several told me I needed to speak to Bruce German. A food chemist at U.C. Davis, German realized early in his career that if he could determine what a food perfectly suited to our DNA looked like, he would have a Rosetta Stone with which to solve the puzzle of dietary well-being. He would be able to examine each molecular component of this food to understand what it was doing to make people healthy. No plant would do as a model, since evolutionary pressure tends to favor plants that can avoid being eaten. The model food would be just the opposite: something that had evolved specifically to be a meal, something shaped by constant Darwinian selection to satisfy all the dietary needs of mammals. That Ur-food, of course, is milk."
nice - NoTiG, on 04/27/2008, -0/+8IF we were a truly free society.. raw milk would not be illegal to sell. it would be up to use the consumer to decide what we wanted to by... whether it was considered a health hazard or not. and the ironic part is that it is healthier than the pasteurized milk.. as long as it is form healthy cows. Raw milk was made illegal because back in the depression some cows were fed such poor diets, they were sick and it made the bacteria in the raw milk sick.. which pasteurizing cured. But do you want to be drinking milk from sick cows regardless of whether it's pasteurized or not? The story over raw milk vs pasteurized can be analogized by comparing it to washing teh hands with antibacterial soap. Does washing your hands frequently with antibacterial soap and htus destroying all possible pathogens make you healthier? nope , not in a healthy person. it destroys the natural layer of bacteria on your skin that protects you and in the end makes you sicker.
- pinguwin, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9I've been told that the milk from the Devon region of England is very good and found this to be true. Whenever I was in Devon, I'd bring milk back with me to the Somerset region where I was living. I didn't have raw milk but did have the unpasteurized type (i.e. milk was split up so it wasn't quite as much at as raw milk) and have to say that was outstanding for making hot chocolate. The place that sold it had to inform us it was unpasteurized but as long as they did that, all was well.
- spiritflare1, on 04/27/2008, -7/+15Europeans, in particular the French, have been eating unpasteurized cheeses from raw milk for centuries, and nobody gets ill. On the other hand, we North Americans have been brainwashed by the clean-freak gods into eating Kraft Singles and Cheez Whiz. Go to a cheese store and ask for some real sheeps milk cheeses like Le Petit Basque and it will be a revelation.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -1/+9Boiling is worst than pasteurization. It kills everything in the milk and changes the taste.
Pasteurisation is actually a compromise between raw milk and boiled milk. - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+7"Healthy cows with plenty of energy are less likely to take on pathogens."
The milk is dirty and gross because the cows are not being cared for properly. For instance, cows are NOT supposed to eat grain, they evolved to feed on grass, and yet some farms insist on feeding cows grain. Treat the cows well and the milk will be healthy. Anyone that got sick from raw milk was most likely (notice I don't say definitely) drinking milk from sick cows. Those people here who say they never had problems with raw milk were drinking most likely drinking milk from healthy cows. If the government would waste less time and money persecuting raw milk sellers, and more time demanding healthy conditions for the cows, then this wouldn't even be an issue. - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -3/+10"Decentralize and let the consumers decide."
This would solve over half of the problems in this nation. - JigoroKano, on 04/27/2008, -2/+8That is completely false. Almost all mammals are lactose intolerant as they age and for very good reason. But only humans have the capability to herd other species to lactate milk for them. As a result of this, humans have evolved no less than four different mutations to retain lactose tolerance throughout their lifespan. The evolutionary pressure to evolve four different solutions to the same problem is, as you can guess, enormous. Milk is quite frankly the best single food you can consume.
People who are lactose intolerant are evolutionarily inferior in that respect, Asians and Africans included. - Envark, on 04/27/2008, -1/+7I hope you realize that pasteurization is basically just heating up milk...you know, sort of like boiling it.
Pasteurization is a bit more scientific with its temperature/time calculations, though. - yonoz, on 04/27/2008, -2/+8I consumed raw milk for most of my childhood. As long as it's fresh, it's safe, but by the time it makes it to city folks' breakfast cereal it poses a certain risk.
- JettaMan, on 04/27/2008, -0/+6If a business tries to do that, all you have to do is not buy products from them. The free market is the ultimate democracy where you vote with your dollars and your feet.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -0/+6The problem with these kinds of claims is that they lack scientific evidence. You may say the same thing about the case FOR pasteurization, but it at least can be scientifically shown that if there's e. coli in the milk before pasteurization, it's dead afterwards.
This is a problem because I've seen articles written in exactly this manner that will tell you that drinking milk AT ALL is the source of all man's ills. They have the exact same kind of "proof" as this one does. If you're going to accept this one as being true, it's a slippery slope that eventually ends in APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD. - Envark, on 04/27/2008, -1/+6Wow. French people never get sick?
- pcote, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5There are obviously people that didn't read through the article and even some people that didn't realize some of the article's point.
We can resume some of the points like that: we should question ourselves about the fact that we tend to over-sanitize everything that had only a few reports of being bad. By doing this continiously, our immune system grows weaker over generations... and we see more and more people developing diseases. Humans should not try to control nature but to understand it throughly. - MasterThief117, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5Ahh, with all that the author wrote, I think he's milking the situation.
- brad016, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5straight up, if you eat healthy and are a healthy person, then some bacteria in milk won;t make you sick, and when milk is pasturized it kills so many good vitamins and by law those vitamins have to be replaced my synthetic vitamins that were made by some chemical manufacturer, and your body can't use that. drink raw milk, its good for you and it protects you(Immunity wise)
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -9/+14You are not too smart my friend. Let me explain it too you.
The joke is that she thinks semen is dirty and bad for you. Since this is saying milk is dirty and good for you, I said to change the reference of milk to semen.
So i'm saying she doesn't take any semen right now because we both know pasteurizing semen is very time consuming and takes away from the whole ejaculation process.
moron - yonoz, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7"People aren't going to shorten their lifespans by significant margins by drinking milk, pasteurized or not."
Did you RTA? "The requirement for pasteurization—heating milk to at least 161 degrees Fahrenheit for fifteen seconds—neutralizes such deadly bacteria as Campylobacter jejuni, Listeria monocytogenes, Escherichia coli, and salmonella. Between 1919, when only a third of the milk in Massachusetts was pasteurized, and 1939, when almost all of it was, the number of outbreaks of milk-borne disease fell by nearly 90 percent."
"Both the health freaks and the OCD scientists need to ease up and look at the big picture, instead of focusing on milk bacteria or other trivial matters."
It is you who needs to look at the big picture. There's good reason why lawmakers decided to outlaw the sale of unpasteurized milk. The links between pasteurized milk and autoimmune diseases are very, very weak, and even if they were established, they are no match for the mortality rates of diseases such as listeria. What is trivial now, wasn't trivial before pasteurization. - Murdats, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5thats it, I am moving to france.
- yonoz, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5So, what's the infant mortality rate / average lifespan for bush men in the remote African regions, and what are the equivalents in America?
- mattes5, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I agree with you completely. I wouldn't drink raw milk.... but that is a personal decision I have the right to make and others have the same. This pretentious assumption that I am not intelligent enough to make my own decision and need a government beurcrat to do so for me too "keep me safe" is arbitrary.
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