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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38Doesn't seem to bother the cigarette companies.
- NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32So you're saying Starbucks should not ditch trans fat and allow us to make our own decision NOT to buy their products?
You make it sound like companies should not try and improve, rather we should stop buying things from companies. - anteyekon4myst, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Ah i guess they finally realized that killing their customers was bad for business.
- hambend, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Wait... what? Starbucks didn't take trans fats out of their food because they decided it was bad for us. They took it out because *we* did. This is supply and demand at work, and a direct result of a public which is now (ever so slightly) better educated about their diets.
I don't like how New York banned trans fats either, but I really don't see how you can complain when Starbucks drops them. - sathias, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Seriously, you would have to be a complete moron to be against the removal of trans fats from our food... thirty years ago the same people would have been rallying for the freedom to choose houses made out of asbestos I guess.
- Haohmaru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I don't imagine that Starbucks is any sort of health food, but hopefully they'll eliminate High Fructose Corn Syrup next.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Trans fats don't make foods taste better. Real butter tastes better, but it is more expensive.
Trans fats are used because they are cheaper than non-hydrogenated fats, and allow them to squeeze profit out of their customers. Unfortunately, they also slowly build up to make those customers sick and kill them. - bubbagump, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I just wish the option of non-trans fat was an easy one. When this came to light a few weeks ago, I started reading labels...even the whole wheat bread I thought was 'good' had trans fat in the ingredients list. Not to mention high-fructose corn syrup.
The problem with the 'consumer right to choose' argument is that there isn't much of a choice -- Most 'food' manufacturer loads with partially hydrogenated something or other or high fructose corn syrup. It is increasingly difficult to find the ones that don't. Sadly, those are mostly boutique foods that cost a lot more and don't last long on the shelves...the higher cost works against the supply and demand curve.
I guess I'll just start eating spinach and beans...oh wait...those come with 'bacterial' enhancement now.
The food supply in this country (the US) is plentiful -- that is to say there is a LOT of it. Going to the store is a sensory overload experience...there is everything you could possibly want. The problem is every manufacturer is running to the cheapest way to make their products with regard only to regulation...not what is good for the consumer.
I don't like Starbucks, they burn the beans. But I applaud their change here, and the next time I have a hankerin' for a cup o' joe, I just might drop in a buy a muffin as well -- just to support this change.... - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8he was also a rare exception to the rule
- maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15oh god, another person railing against the evils of getting rid of transfats
$1000 says you don't even know what the ***** are - baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9hey dumbass, have you seen what a bunch of sorry fat asses america has become? there is a reason for that.
- SoundJudgment, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Hahaha.... that is the ONE thing which will never be cut out of Starbucks: the High Prices!
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, real milk and cream contains fat. Unfortunate but true. So, would you prefer some artificial concoction of soy along with other chemicals to reproduce the taste and texture of cream and milk in your latte, or simply cut back on your latte consumption with real cream and milk and exercise more to combat the effects of the fat found in milk and cream? I prefer a more natural lifestyle with foods closer to reality then fiction, even if they are more artery clogging. Bottom line is, you don't need to drink latte to live, so its an indulgence we often consume too much of and expect other people to make them healthy so they can be consumed in excess without becoming a health risk or feel the guilt. Its the whole, "Its not my problem" mentality of America. its not my problem that I am fat and eat way too much trans-fatty foods and don't excersise, it must be the problem of the fast food restaurants. Sue them so I can eat in excess and live in sloth without any guilt.
- DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7FTA:
"Our focus has always been on providing our customers with healthy and nutritious food options," he said.
White chocolate mocha (medium... sorry.. grande):
Total Fat 16g 25%
Saturated Fat 8g 40%
50 g Sugar - labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I find that buying from "whole foods" and the local farmers markets has significantly improved the quality of my diet.
Farmers markets are the best. They are cheap and fresh. - ahuxley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes its old, but easy to read and understand.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec03/fat_7-09.html - Raian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Maybe this will force Tim Hortons to review the hydrogenated oils they are pumping into almost everything they sell...
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6But but...if Starbucks takes out all the trans fats from their wonderful foods, then all that will remain is the refined sugar and chemical preservatives.
I like that they usually have soy milk available, but I don't like that they never have organic coffee, but only the kind that went through up to seven years of heavy pesticide application before it was ready to harvest---you know...the kind that gets your nerves all jangly! - ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@DiggsOnlyNeoCon
Reading these comments about the trans fat ban, I am wondering why this is such a political issue for NeoCons, Libertarians, LaRouchees and other fringe nuts. It makes no sense. First, the State has a right to regulate and pass laws about things which have to do with its citizens health and welfare. All of the available medical research indicates that trans fats are killing people, so the rational thing to do is to outlaw them, plain and simple. The argument that "consumers are capable of choosing a product without trans fat" is fallacious because a) restaurants don't label their food as having trans fat, b) not all food is properly labeled as having trans fat, and c) children buy food without parental input, and they are incapable of consenting to eating trans fat. The State has an obligation to protect its citizens against poisons and other health dangers, especially if they are in the food supply. If you really want to go and eat something with trans fat, be my guest, but people who aren't as smart as you are shouldn't be recklessly exposed to this danger. - labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The reason you pay 2 bucks for that treat at starbucks is to keep the store open. If you wanted to drink that treat and not lounge around then you could just drop by a grocery store.
A big ass cup of coffee from starbucks is two bucks, which is what the local coffee shop around the corner charges. What nails you is when you order that mocha-frappachino. - Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well there's these two:
http://www.starbucks.com/ourcoffees/product.asp?category%5Fname=Multi%2Dregion+Blends&product%5Fid=osb
http://www.starbucks.com/ourcoffees/product.asp?category%5Fname=Latin+America&product%5Fid=OMX
But maybe you mean they're not the drip coffee of the week very often? You can always order a French Press of either one. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Sadly, those are mostly boutique foods that cost a lot more and don't last long on the shelves...the higher cost works against the supply and demand curve."
Funny. I've found that in the case of organic milk: it lasts longer than "regular" milk (I've had a partially drank gallon last for 2 weeks past the expiration date) and generally tastes better.
Processing != better or longer-lasting. - pickypg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This has more to do with New York banning trans fat than anything else. I am sure that Starbucks is predicting that other cities will enact such bans.
- VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hate coffee of all kinds, but what you're describing is called a "Dark Roast." It's generally looked down upon in the coffee world, but it's not "burnt." It IS a legitimate process that's done on purpose.
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3By all means, continue getting your coffee from the AMPM or 711. Their coffee is great, but if you're used to the weaker coffee served almost everywhere else it takes some getting used to.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3two golden rules of health ive come to realize from 10yrs of studying nutrition:
1: natural - if the ingredient wasnt on the earth 500 yrs ago its bad for you.
2: moderation - too much of anything is bad for you.
the body is just a system, designed by evolution. remember that when taking nutrition into account. - danmanx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2'"I like my arteries, and I like theirs," French said Tuesday, as Adele Matter, 6, and her sister Daphne, 5, munched on a chewy rice cereal square in a Starbucks store here.'
Wow. Powerful article here folks. I'll never eat trans fats again!
Trans Fats: The Next Hitler! - pumpedvideo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Do you know Startbucks was using Trans fat for the whole time?
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Rice Krispie Treats are low-fat, and on the Starbucks nutrition info I found, the "Crispy Marshmallow Bar," as they call it, is one of three items with the lowest calories, as well as the lowest calories from fat, along with bagels and bread. See for yourself:
http://www.starbucks.com/retail/nutrition_freshfood.asp - luigi1015, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Topher06
I believe this is a good move for Starbucks, if they can make the food/drinks taste the same or at least very similar to the more fattening originals.
For one thing, if the "fake" food tastes just as good and has less fat/calories, what's the problem? What I don't get is this dislike people have of "fake" food. I mean, why do people think that anything man-made is inherently of poorer quality than something made by nature/God. We have brains in our heads, why not use them to improve on what we find in nature? If Starbucks could make drinks as healthy as water and as tasty as the "real" drinks, wouldn't that be a good thing? It's improved food, not poison.
For another thing, Starbucks is helping to combat the obesity problem in America with this initiative, so what's the problem? If you have a problem with people eating too much junk food, please don't mock a company for helping to combat the problem. Your time would be better served supporting this initiative by Starbucks and supporting any other initiative to promote healthy lifestyles. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Local coffee shops tend to call Starbucks coffee "burnt" to lure novice coffee drinkers who don't appreciate the strength of a robust blend. This is not to say that local blends aren't worthwhile (in fact my favorite cup of espresso comes from a local joint in Arlington, Va.), but Starbucks delivers the full flavor of the coffee bean better, in my opinion.
- labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So has Keebler.
Ever wonder why those Oreo's have that special kind of flavor?
Little did you know those elves were killing you... - HolyJaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Er, yeah, Starbucks sells three kinds of donuts currently.
- Thezeppelin62, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3trans fat sucks
- luigi1015, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1megaloid:
I think you missed my point, I was supporting progress in making healthier "fake" food over just eating/drinking salad and water because it's "real". I was not supporting trans fat over healthier alternatives. - digggggggggg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think that the reason why the food industry uses hydrogenated fats ("trans" fats) is because of flavor or price, since it actually takes more money to hydrogenate vegetable oil than to leave it as is.
The real reason is because of shelf life and/or texture. Using hydrogenated vegetable oil was considered a good way to make the shelf life of certain products last longer so preservatives didn't need to be used, until they realized it caused a lot of problems. The same goes for texture, since it tends to have give vegetable oil a solid consistency, like margarine. - PLUMCRAZY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What kills me is the fact that 20 years ago they were telling everyone to stop using butter because of the fat content and advising people to use margarine instead (100% trans-fat). Wrong again and again and again; why do we bother listening to these idiots.
We should all go back to eating food like people were eating 30+ years ago. Back then people ate less because the food was more satisfying and people weren't all fat like they are today. I want my eggs coked in real butter and I want my potatoes cooked in Crisco . . . thank you. - BrandonMills, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow :) Now only half of my heart will have a heart attack :P
I feel much better :) - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oreos willingly removed transfats from their foods quite awhile ago
- mlerner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Doesn't seem to bother the cigarette companies."
Addiction is the magical ingredient for guaranteed growth. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Unlike other fats, trans fats raise bad cholesterol and lower good cholesterol, confounding efforts to prevent and treat heart disease. Unsaturated fats are actually good for you, which is why even Lay's has recently switched to using 100% sunflower oil in many of its products. Everything in moderation, true, but no amount of trans fat is good for you. It's a nutritionally unnecessary ingredient in over-processed foods that causes palpable harm.
- VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, she must be SO concerned about good, healthy eating habits... as she feeds her small children RICE CRISPY TREATS. Trans fats or not.... don't kid yourself, lady.
- mt4055, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The people who think Star$ coffee is "Burnt" are probably the same people who think that Bud and Coors Lite are good beers. In my opinion neither is true. When I first started drinking coffee I didn't like it. What I didn't like was the bad coffee that was poorly brewed. When I found out what good coffee was supposed to taste like I developed an expensive addiction to the dark brown bean.
The same thing with beer; for a long time I didn't think I liked beer until I tried a beer that was NOT a weak tasteless American lager. A good Pale Ale is bliss.
The reason that there are so many different kinds of coffee (and beer) is that there are so many different people with different tastes. If you don't like it, don't drink it. Drink something you like and stop bitching about what others prefer.
Quality is more expensive.
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"i like to keep my starbucks cup in my car at all times. and i walk in the store and demand my refills"
Somehow I think you would fit right in with those homeless people. And @Wonderkind: last time I had a donut at Starbucks I'm pretty sure it was under a dollar. - sonofagunn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, if enough people shop around and buy the better foods, then more manufacturers will produce better foods. The only way to force the companies to not make their foods cheap and crappy is for us to start buying the more expensive and healthier foods.
If you are educated on what to buy, there are lots of good choices out there in most towns. - freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ubuwalker31
Simple answer, follow the money. - dierien2001, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Great now if they could just ditch the pretentiousness, and crappy tasting burnt coffee they would be all set.
- inquebiss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Coffee is only bad for you if you add tons of cream and sugar. Coffee, though not nearly as beneficial as tea, still has antioxydants and might even reduce liver damage from drinking too alcohol.
- megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1luigi:
I suggest you do a thorough taste test. There is a perceptible difference between trans fats and naturally occurring ones (yes, I am aware that there are naturally-occurring trans fats.) Ever since I made a point of eliminating hydrogenated oils from my diet, I can tell by taste any time I am eating something containing the hydrogenated oil: pastries, restaurant food, snack foods especially. It just tastes different, my stomach starts doing flip-flops. The big problem with respect to trans-fats is that they're not really food and the human body is not able to metabolize them.
Aside from sugary snacks, pickles, and arguably alcohol, there really wasn't any such thing as "junk food" until the hydrogenation process was invented a century ago, the harm thereby engendered is now impossible to deny. Technologically and socially speaking, hydrogenation was a setback disguised as an advance. - dededede, on 10/17/2007, -0/+0http://starbucks-gift-cards-gifts.blogspot.com/
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