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- jboitnott, on 08/20/2008, -7/+61Sometimes stories like this make me feel like drug companies are holding all of us hostage.
- ASSHO, on 08/21/2008, -5/+38Whoever think vaccination is stupid and dumb, maybe you should get cancer and see how fun that is. HepB vaccinations have saved millions from liver cancer. If they had a HepC vaccine, that could save millions more from liver cancer.
As for HPV? HPV 16 and 18 not only causes the majority of cervical cancers, it has been shown to be a major risk factor in oral and oral pharyngeal cancers. It has now been shown to also be implicated in other cancers as well: vaginal, vulvar, penile, anal, and even lung cancer.
So, if you're young and healthy, go for it. Better than a lifetime of worry from oncogenic viruses. - kemp34, on 08/20/2008, -18/+40Reminds me of municipal water fluoridation: factory waste from fertilizer production was going to lead to expensive toxic clean up fees, so the schemers figured out if they sold the by-product (even for pennies) they no longer classified it as waste. Get a few lobbyists working with municipalities and coin a "dental hygiene public need" and, voila, mass medication of a former waste product on broad swaths of the public. Never mind the health risks. Never mind the affect on pregnant mothers and new borns, including brain development. Never mind that water fluoridation has been proven rather negligible in terms of actually helping dental health. Go ahead with the mass medication (poisoning). To hell with all sensibilities, any duty to act righteous, or any intelligent approach to public policy action, just go head long into a endeavor fully to the benefit of shady special interests. And keep it going via inertia even when people begin to wise up. What an evil sham.
- arielh85, on 08/21/2008, -6/+23I. hate. this. vaccine. It gave me serious muscle and joint ache for nearly a year...I ended up as one of Merck's "statistics". My doctor decided to tell me later that it;s always better to wait a few years with these things to check out the initial results. Just wait. Seriously.
- elipabst, on 08/21/2008, -0/+16Plus is actually read the journal article itself, it really only questions whether the HPV vaccine is worth it if it is only effective for 10 years. If it provides lifetime immunity the authors concluded that:
"Vaccination against HPV-16 and HPV-18 is expected to be economically attractive.... if high coverage can be achieved in the primary target group of 12-year-old girls and if vaccine-induced immunity is lifelong. Under these conditions, if we are willing to pay $100,000 per QALY, a catch-up program for girls between 13 and 18 years of age appears to be reasonable, especially when we include the benefits of averting genital warts"
Right now there is absolutely no reason to believe that the vaccine is only good for 10 years. All current data suggests a robust immune response to the vaccine. The authors even acknowledge it. - NoQuarter, on 08/21/2008, -3/+17The benefits and dangers of fluoridation are fairly even either way, A bit of evidence of kidney and bladder damage, some of dental benefits but nothing astonishingly conclusive. It might not be worth fluoridating water but it's hardly evil, merely an easy target for paranoid, attention seeking conspiracy-nuts.
- Icetype, on 08/21/2008, -5/+19Are you serious? Don't ever go anywhere with mosquitoes.
- mediaspree, on 08/21/2008, -1/+14The statistics on HPV are astounding. Think diggers are immune?
http://www.hpvforum.com/how-common-is-hpv.asp
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals (ARHP):
"Genital HPV is very common. Many estimates have placed the lifetime likelihood of getting genital HPV to be in the range of 75-90%."
Center for Disease Control (CDC) 2004 Report to Congress:
"A recent estimate suggests that 80% of women will have acquired genital HPV"
American Journal of Medicine
"nearly three in four Americans between the ages of 15 and 49 have been infected with genital HPV at some point in their life. "
Rutgers University Health Services:
"Over a typical college career approximately 60% of sexually active women will become infected. While it is assumed that a similar number of men are also infected, there are no good statistics as it is harder to test for HPV in men than women. The HPV virus is so common that it can almost be considered normal to have it." - ang48137, on 08/21/2008, -1/+11You mean the 80% of the population who has HPV?
- hpvforum, on 08/21/2008, -5/+14For those unfortunate to already have HPV there is always:
http://www.STDmatch.net - inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+9Really? It was just fine for me - only a little soreness around the area of the shot for about a week afterward, like most vaccines tend to do.
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -1/+9All this article says is that the vaccine might not be worth the cost. It doesn't descibe any these horrible side effects that religious fundamentalists claim it causes.
Religious wackos have always opposed the HPV vaccine because they think the threat of cancer is an effective deterrent to fornication, and they don't want to see that threat removed. They would rather see their daughters die of cancer than bring shame to the family by *gasp* having sex.
That's right: religious conservatives think cervical cancer is a gift from God and that meddling doctors have no business doing anything about it. - suzannethetiger, on 08/21/2008, -2/+10Most men (and women) who carry the HPV virus often do not show any symptoms of it. You can wait until the 50th date and use a condom and still get it -- Condoms don't stop HPV.
/vaccinated 2 years ago, no side effects, laughing at the fear mongering anti-vaccine crowd. - NoQuarter, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7The four strains which account for over 70% of all cervical cancers and 90% of genital warts? The percentage of strains immunised against is a hell of a lot less important than that little statistic.
- zip000, on 08/21/2008, -0/+7It's funny, the first thing that I thought when I saw your comment was, "why are guys taking this vaccine."
Then it occurred to me, "oh yeah, there are at least some girls on digg." - ferrariman60, on 08/21/2008, -1/+8The effect where you can breathe, I guess. I use it after I get chest colds because I will quickly develop bronchitis even when the cold is gone, but it works great for me.
- NoQuarter, on 08/21/2008, -1/+7That's the thing with statistics. They can collect information of adverse reactions (you reported it and hopefully your doc passed it on) from everyone who takes the drug and actually have a fairly good idea of the dangers or otherwise of the vaccine.
The chance that your aches and pains were pure coincidence can and should not be discounted, and the answer to the public's concern is not found in anecdotes on the internet but in statistics and science - still the only way to find out whether or not a treatment is effective and safe. - dan222555, on 08/21/2008, -1/+7"I got CBS news coming monday to interview my family on the effects of Singular(made by Merck)."
What "effects of Singulair"? I've taken it for years and it's been great. - MattB123, on 08/21/2008, -3/+9I call *****. I personally know a researcher who designed and conducted studies to determine fluoridation effects on dental public health. The data clearly shows it helps developing teeth form a stronger enamel which does help prevent caries. The researcher in question is a career academic researcher who has been involved with the World Health Organization and does not get any form of compensation from drug companies or any pressure to make the results look one way or another. What he has gotten is lots of harassment and accusations from conspiracy theorists with little or no science to back up any of their claims.
- alexanEmpire, on 08/21/2008, -0/+6"It's as silly as mandating everyone wear a parachute because some people fall off of cliffs."
Some? Try 75-90% of the population in this country.
"I'd rather not be a whore than risk brain damage from drugs that protect me from a disease caused by my bad behavior.
The government should not assume that I'm a whore and force me to take that risk."
No one is assuming you're a "whore". Slutty behavior or not, anyone (who is sexually active) is at a major risk of getting HPV.
"But then I'm not a woman that has to deal with this and maybe women think differently."
ANY human can contract HPV. Even the genital kind. As a matter of fact, some of those strains of HPV the vaccine is supposed to cure, are the strains that cause genital warts in men. Being male myself, I'd say that's a pretty big deal, wouldn't you? - HonestAbe, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5How do you know it's the vaccine?
- Red05, on 08/21/2008, -3/+8Thanks to herd immunity, you'll probably be fine. But you're still an idiot.
- nullcodes, on 08/21/2008, -0/+5Not being vaccinated makes you a potential disease vector. People have the right to not get diseases passed to them.
If there is a sudden outbreak of a certain disease, an unvaccinated population puts the elderly and small kids (too young to have taken the vaccine) at risk by being disease vectors. There are certain things you have to do if you wish to benefit from living in a society --majority gets to decide.
In principle, I do agree that you should have the choice .. which you do .. you can always form your own island or isolated farm and nobody should come bother you to get vaccinated. - HonestAbe, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4Condoms are only somewhat effective against HPV. Don't believe everything you hear in school.
"in a study reported in the same issue, the incidence of genital HPV infection was 37.8 per 100 patient-years among women whose partners used condoms for all instances of intercourse, compared with 89.3 per 100 patient-years in women whose partners used condoms less than 5% of the time." - bobbi21, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4I am totally not a fan of the pharm companies but in general vaccines have been pretty good (and they're been upfront about their mistakes compared to other groups). Like if you wanted to make money, why would you go into creating a product that would only be bought once by your customer and never again? Sure you get a bigger population but the amount of people with HPV is staggering. If you could propose a treatment that would be doled out for years, that would make lots more money. Chemotherapies, anti-acids and H2 blockers for ulcers, HIV meds, insulin. pharm companies have these treatments that last for years or a lifetime and make the most money off them and refuse research on permanent cures for things like diabetes (or suppress them if you want to be negative and somewhat conspiracy like). but if you plan on making a vaccine, you're already assuming a huge loss in profits. And especially for HPV, theres rival companies producing the same vaccine. Any real side effects would be instantly attacked by them to give them a monopoly.
People are always scared of vaccines since it's providing a "treatment" for someone who is already healthy. It comes under attack a lot since people always get sick of something and eventually you will get diseases manifesting after the vaccine since they'd get it anyway. But, since you just went to the doctor, he injected you with something when you were feeling perfectly healthy, and a week later you're diagnosed with a disease, of course the average person would blame the doctor's injection. Very easy way for ppl to freak out over nothing. - bobbi21, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4I've heard from some dentists that they can predict fairly well just by looking in someones mouth if they came from an area that fluoridated their water or not. Seems like a little hyperbole to me but just reporting what I've heard.
- ang48137, on 08/21/2008, -1/+5It's a skin virus; you don't need to have sex to transmit or receive it.
- mrsteveman1, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4That one never gets old
- AuriniDMJ, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4If the vaccine were thoroughly proven to work - if there were no reasonable doubts - then by making it mandatory you'd be protecting little girls from irresponsible parents, who don't allow them to be vaccinated due to magical thinking.
As a society we owe it to children to protect them from parental incompetence. - BetterOffEd, on 08/21/2008, -0/+4I see the point that you're trying to make, but your argument is pretty terrible.
The percentage of people who won't ever go near a cliff on a regular basis is nowhere near the percentage of people who aren't sexually active. The only way that you can completely steer clear of exposure to HPV (0%) is to be abstinent FOR LIFE. Now while there are some monk communities and nunneries out there, I'd have to say that they collectively make up a rather small bit of the population overall. In addition, if you walk near cliffs without a parachute, you're only exposing yourself to harm and not everyone else you come in contact with after the incident. So all around, this is just a horrible analogy.
Furthermore, "whores" aren't the only people who contract HPV. All it takes is contact with it ONCE to get infected, and the American Journal of Medicine estimates that "nearly three in four Americans between the ages of 15 and 49 have been infected with genital HPV at some point in their life. " So if you're sexually active right now, you either have it yourself or have had sex in the past with someone who does have it.
And I also love how you so easily sit in judgment of an entire gender like that. Must do wonders for your sex life. But perhaps you're just trying to avoid HPV. Hmmm... Very cunning. Very cunning indeed.... - borez, on 08/21/2008, -2/+5They are.
My friend Virginia who was a GP, basically stopped practicing because of the pressures from drug companies and from the other surgery doctors to push products that she said did more harm to her patients than good, and it was all about making money for third parties and had nothing to do with patients health.
Basically [she said] they we're legal drug pushers
She now runs a very successful Holistic therapy consultancy business. - atchon, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3The reason certain vaccines are mandated is you are putting other people at risk, you give up personal freedoms when you are endangering others.
- nullcodes, on 08/21/2008, -5/+8If you don't like the side effects of vaccines, trust me smallpox is no better.
It's ridiculous how some people are touting this as evidence that vaccines are bad.
The papers don't make me question the effectiveness of vaccines in general .. maybe just Gardasil. Saying that all vaccines are dangerous because one is criticized as being untested is more ridiculous than saying all liquids are bad because motor oil is bad for you. - mikesoba, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3But haven't you been watching the commercials? Gotta get it.
- JoeVet, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3What a stupid article. Its a article on an opinion piece about a real journal article in the NEJM that estimates cost effectiveness of HPV vaccination. Some people just want to see their names in print. the original article is in the same edition as the editorial. Why would anyone read the editorial when the full article is present in the same journal?
- BoneheadFarker, on 08/21/2008, -6/+9Really? Ok, good luck with the measles and small pox...
- BetterOffEd, on 08/21/2008, -3/+6Diphtheria thanks you.
- beachtrader, on 08/22/2008, -0/+3Well, did you read the product information before you got the shot? Or did you just blindly get the shot? You know you have a choice. You can take the risk to get cancer and die or take the risk and get the possible side effects. No one was holding a gun to your head. It's your choice. Every possible side effect is listed for every drug and easily available. Quit thinking life is without trade offs.
Nothing is perfect in life. Your job is not perfect, your car is not perfect, your school is not perfect, why do you expect this to be perfect? - HonestAbe, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3"Never mind that water fluoridation has been proven rather negligible in terms of actually helping dental health."
*****.
I don't agree with it being put in the water (you're supposed to put it in your mouth to help your teeth, not swallow it), but that doesn't mean the whole thing is bunk. Learn to think for yourself.
Read about the origins of fluoridation as a natural effect of mineral deposits in the Colorado mountains. It's pretty interesting. - JoeVet, on 08/21/2008, -3/+6If you knew anything about getting drugs accepted by the FDA you'd know how stupid you sound claiming no safety testing was done. And blaming a very common thing like menstral pain with bleeding (occurs in all women) is just ignorant. If you'd rather your sister take a chance with cervical cancer that is up to you and especially her but don't go around spreading FUD about something you know nothing about.
- hoghug, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3So why vaccinate against measles then, if youre such a vaccination libertarian?
And lay off the *****, *****, if you wanna have a civil discussion. - afruff23, on 08/21/2008, -3/+6In other words, she has no idea how potent or useful the methods she uses now are.
- BetterOffEd, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3I never attested to the effectiveness of using a condom to prevent HPV. (Or any other STD for that matter.)
I'm just saying you should use a condom.
What else are you going to do? Stop having sex? - GoodDamon, on 08/21/2008, -3/+6I'm not usually one to defend the pharmaceutical companies and their ridiculous profit margins, but the freak-out about HPV vaccination seems to primarily be coming from right-wing religious lunatics who worry that their little girls will immediately run out and have sex since there will be one less thing out there that can kill them.
News flash, loonies: Your little girl is probably already out there having sex, and there's nothing you can do about it. Get her vaccinated. - casek, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3mandate doesn't mean law.
- bobbi21, on 08/21/2008, -0/+3Links would be good.
The thing about causing suicidal behaviour is somewhat true. The thing is ANYONE who's recovering from depression by any means is at an increased risk of suicidal behaviour. The basic theory is that while recovering from depression you get the energy needed to finally kill yourself.
i.e. (while depressed) " theres no point to life. I should just kill myself. You know, it'd actually be better to kill myself. I'll save myself and other people pain. oh what's the point, it's all useless anyway. I might as well just rot here as always"
(when getting better) "There's no point in life. I should just kill myself. You know, it'd actually be better to kill myself. I'll save myself and other people pain. ..hmm yeah that is a good plan. wheres that gun?"
Would like some links for it not being better than placebo though. - zip000, on 08/21/2008, -0/+2and zombies.
- kemp34, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2Here you go, 1800 professionals call for an end to water fluoridation:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/prof-statement.pdf
But I guess you like just calling people hippies.
Idiot. - fasda, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2yes dam them for spending hundreds of millions of dollars and decades of man-hours worth of work to try and improve the quality of life for millions while making a profit at the same time. WE WON"T STAND FOR THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR. WE DESERVE TO LIVE IN CONSTANT FEAR OF PLAUGE
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2What are your thoughts on national parks?
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