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- Beaver6813, on 10/11/2007, -16/+117Erm... its nothing to do with milk, its "animal enzyme, rennet". Please rtfa, for your information rennet comes from a calves stomach lining.
- signal15, on 10/11/2007, -49/+134I look forward to the day when I can buy a Snickers bar filled with chicken and wrapped with ground beef.
- dropoutfilms, on 10/11/2007, -7/+62As a vegetarian, I understand this is a meat-eating world -- but adding part of a cow stomach to a chocolate bar that has had the same formula (suitable for vegetarians) for nearly a century seems wholly unneccessary. I understand that you guys like eating meat, and it's your right to do so -- but do you really want a chemical sourced from cow's stomachs in your chocolate???
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -9/+57That's stupid. I don't see why meat eaters get upset with vegetarians. I eat meat and it doesn't bug me that some people choose not to. Is this some inner guilt thing?
Anyways, the manufacturer of mars is being smart- losing vegetarian sales isnt something they want, especially since more people are looking at and considering changing their diets these days. - bculber, on 10/11/2007, -3/+50"Rennet is extracted from calves' stomachs" Not quite the same as milk...
- t1m1, on 10/11/2007, -12/+51@lime3k:
Vegetarians eat milk. They just don't eat meat.
_Vagans_ are the ones that don't eat milk, eggs and honey. - mt2k3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+40Im sorry man, I'm BY FAR not a vegetarian (I'm actually a "Meatatarian" - I don't eat vegetables really at all...)
However, I have had friends that have been vegetarians and some Vegans...not all of them are miserable...(I did know a girl once who was a vegetarian who was so obnoxious...gah, just like you described.) HOWEVER, MOST of the vegans and vegetarians I know are not like that AT ALL.
I remember going to Wendy's with a buddy who was a Vegan, and he asked (at the drive through) what kind of oil they used, and when he found out it wasn't animal based, he ordered a big-ass thing of fries and sat happily in the car with us while we ate burgers.
(he also hung out w/ us at the sub shop when we all ate steak and cheese, etc, and he ate a meatless.)
Moral of the story is ...vegetarian, vegan, or not...some people just SUCK and some DON'T... - transcendz, on 10/11/2007, -20/+58It's not vagans, but vegans. Vegetarianism should get a little more respect : it's good for health and good for the Earth. By eating less or no meat, you use far less natural ressources than otherwise. Here are how the meat eating evolved during the last 40 years :
Europe : from 56 to 89 kilos
USA : from 89 to 124 kg
China : from 4 to 54 kg
Japan : from 8 to 42 kg
You need at least 10 kg of cereals to produce 1 kg of meat...
I don't really understand vegans, though. - *jooloop*, on 10/11/2007, -5/+42After reading the title, I thought "What? Mars Bars are a vegetable? I'm getting my 5 a day now!
- notdugg, on 10/11/2007, -19/+56It's pathetic that they can't make a better tasting candy bar without using the stomach lining of a cow.
it's CANDY, try adding some sugar or fat, not cow stomach lining. - reiner15, on 10/11/2007, -7/+42who seriously finds these chemicals or by-products and thinks... "Hey! This would taste great in a snickers!"
- lime3k, on 10/11/2007, -9/+41Been a veggie all my life, never eaten meat and yet I'm generally fitter and healthier than everyone I know. Like any diet choice you've gotta get the right balance in food.
Bruce Lee eventually became veggie, you think he was unhealthy? - semiotix, on 10/11/2007, -9/+40I've been a vegetarian for 17 years now, and although I never bring it up myself, it usually somehow becomes a topic for discussion at meals I eat with other people. In all that time, only one person has ever actually scoffed at it or tried to argue the merits of vegetarianism with me.
I really don't care what other people eat, and I guess it's nice that everyone I've ever met (except for that one guy) has been so polite about my choices. Which is why these "grr! I'm a he-man meat eater, you hippie veg-heads can suck it!" threads are so amusing. It's almost as if the safety and anonymity of the internet gives people the courage to say what they were too afraid to say to my scrawny vegetarian face.
Come on, meat-eaters! Grow some balls! (Or eat some, I guess.) - hikaruzero, on 10/11/2007, -6/+36"Vegetarians eat milk. They just don't eat meat.
_Vagans_ are the ones that don't eat milk, eggs and honey."
Actually, *VEGANS* (not Vagans) are the ones that don't consume animal products. And there are some out there which do eat honey because cruelty is not involved in the process of obtaining honey -- bees are essentially never mistreated, and part of the reason for that is that humans are afraid of getting stung. :p Hives are typically only checked and honey collected once every week to several weeks depending on the size of the hive -- otherwise, bees remain free of interaction with humans, and humans also make a good effort at protecting the hives (and their investments) from foulbrood, fungi, and other infestations. Since there is no cruelty involved and there is mutual benefit, many vegans do consume honey.
"I don't really understand vegans, though."
The keyword is cruelty. :) Vegans oppose cruelty to sentient beings in all forms.
"Vegan's can't eat milk chocolate - sorry."
It's a shame that big companies are too dumb to release non-milk chocolate versions of their products, thus increasing profits and expanding their consumer base. I can't tell you how many Reese's Cups I would buy, even at a more expensive price, if there were a vegan version.
"That's stupid. I don't see why meat eaters get upset with vegetarians. I eat meat and it doesn't bug me that some people choose not to. Is this some inner guilt thing?"
There's no simple answer. For some it may be inner guilt. Others hate differing opinions. Still others are resentful of many veg*ns who try to press their views onto other people and insult others who do not share those views (IMO both sides have compassionate people, and both sides also have *****). Some are reacting to that type of holier-than-thou attitude and purposefully go Maddox-style as an act of rebellion ("For every cow you don't eat, I'm going to eat three," etc.).
"I'd like for YOU to prove having meat in your diet is healthy. It's okay to eat meat (I'm not vegetarian/vegan myself), but please get the facts straight."
This is not possible to prove. :) I admit I cannot cite the testimony I am about to regurgitate, but several years ago I read a study on mortality rates which correllated various diets to age. The study found that, on average, vegetarians lived 7 years longer than meat-eaters, and vegans lived 15 years longer than meat-eaters. Other diets were also in the study (i.e. Atkins, etc.) but I do not remember those statistics. :(
"No- try VAGINAIANS."
Hahahah ... now that's a quality diet. :) - answer42, on 10/11/2007, -4/+34Dude, I'm a vegetarian and I love food and I love eating. I just eat differently than you. I think that one guy you know is just a weirdo. Don't stereotype people.
- mysterychips, on 10/11/2007, -5/+33There are over 4 million vegetarians in the UK, so the decision to include ingredients derived from animal slaughter was a bad move for Masterfoods.
Good sense prevailed! I'm going to celebrate with a delicious vegetarian Mars Bar. - silverchrysalis, on 10/11/2007, -5/+30i was hoping they would start putting broccoli in them
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+31I'm a vagina-tarian... it's all I eat
My theory is some meat eaters have a hatred of vegetarians because it weights heavy on their conscience - alexforcefive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25@bIuebonics
Why would he make a hypothetical statement about snickers bars when we're discussing an actual event involving snickers bars? - mysterychips, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Rennet might taste fantastic - I know bacon does. But, guess what? They're both derived from the slaughter of animals. Vegetarians have made a choice (whatever their reason) not to eat products derived from animal slaughter. What's so hard to grasp?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21Bluebonics, your protein arguement is an old one that is a common misconception.
Here's something quick I pulled off Google:
"Being vegetarian does not mean your diet will be lacking in protein. Most plant foods contain protein and in fact it would be very difficult to design a vegetarian diet that is short on protein. Excess dietary protein may lead to health problems. It it now thought that one of the benefits of a vegetarian diet is that it contains adequate but not excessive protein." - Pottersquash, on 10/11/2007, -12/+29An ingredient change that made it unconsumable by alot of people. Why the outrage? It be the same thing if Twix decided they would ensure they remind nut free so that those with peanut allergies could enjoy.
Dont be a dick, share the candy. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18I know meat eaters who are really ***** weird as well.
Surely this must mean all meat eaters are weird! - imkookoo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19@bluebonics:
It's already been done time and time again by scientists. A vegetarian diet is much healthier than one that includes meat at all. Soy, hemp oil, and various other veggies not only includes MORE protein than meat per mass, but they are easier absorbed by the system since beans/oil digest easier than meat. They don't have a lot of saturated fat, and they provide more nutrition than what meat can provide. They don't have as much carcinogens as meat. They even have more antioxidants which reduce the amount of cancer. It's also healthier for the environment, as it takes a lot less resources to retrieve the energy directly from the source, rather than filtered through an animal. Plant-eating dinosaurs were able to get huge and strong, and being an omnivorous species, we can too.
I'd like for YOU to prove having meat in your diet is healthy. It's okay to eat meat (I'm not vegetarian/vegan myself), but please get the facts straight. - catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17I believe rennet can be made synthetically and can be used to actually make vegetarian cheese, so they could probably use that but it's more expensive. I'm a vegetarian but not a vegan because I love cheese and will never stop eating it. I can understand people who would rather not kill mammals for food though, if it's not necessary.
It's so easy to go up to a drive-through and order a killed, cut, and cooked piece of meat. Out of sight, out of mind. The way I see it is if I wouldn't kill it and cut it up, then I probably shouldn't be eating a product of that process. I don't mind people who eat meat and I even indulge once in a while, but it's just personal preference and it should be respected just like any lifestyle. - dhVyse, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15It's just like crushed bones being in Jello, no vegan can eat that crap.
- rauz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15So you're saying the remaining 56 million would like to have their Mars bar filled with rennet? It's disgusting, just get over it.
- mnx12, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18I agree. I'm a vegetarian, and I already can't eat Starburst and Skittles, it would suck if I couldn't have me a Snickers.....
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Actually this has nothing to do with America. Stop bitching about what you don't like and actually read the article.
- veskris, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13A lot of Vegetarians do not consume meat for ethical, not health reasons.
- cvrefugee, on 10/11/2007, -14/+25For every Mars bar you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.
- tazx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12@carl0ski "humans have canine teeth for a reason"
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Gorillas are vegetarian.
Meat naturally forms a relatively small part of human diet, just as with chimpanzees. As civilized beings however, we can CHOOSE to replace meat with things like tofu, gluten, beans etc. and be perfectly healthy, getting all the protein and nutrients we need, without having to kill animals to do so. It's health, better for the environment, and nicer to the animals. - whistlerpro, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Vegan's can't eat milk chocolate - sorry.
- gadgetuk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12@carl0ski
"No meat is terrible for your health possibly worse than too much meat."
Source?
"and i know i have met the offspring of vegetarians"
What, all of them? Ever met an unhealthy meat-eater? Thought so.
"the children have severe epilepsy result of stunted brain development the experts blame on lack of iron during pregnancy. (mother was vegetarian)"
Source? Or *****. Here we go - "According to experts, the children of meat eaters all have alzheimers from the age of 6 and will get bowel cancer before they're 50". I just pulled that out of my ass, a bit like you did ;)
"All vegetarians i have met are very pale, tend to be a little slow and often tire easy."
I've never met a pale veggie, maybe they're all Alaskan Emos. Every veggie I know has bundles of energy, often fuelled by smug-juice, but still... - veskris, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8We humans are already pushing many animals to the brink of extinction, and no not because a candy bar maker decided to use an animal product. And that wasn't even my point; if you just watch some videos out there of the horrors done to these animals it seems like we should be minimizing that effect and not putting animal products in candy seems like a good starting point.
Sorry if I was unclear, I'm not suggesting this will contribute at all to animal extinctions: just the welfare of animals. - hikaruzero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"You self-proclaimed manly-men are all a bunch of vegetarian-bashing *****. Go do something productive instead of living in your mother's basement and surfing Digg all day.
Grow a pair and learn to be compassionate members of society like the rest of us."
I am a vegan, and you bring shame to all of us. I would even go so far as to wonder if this user was created for the purpose of making vegans look bad ...
You speak of compassion? What of your compassion for others? Do you believe that insulting others helps them feel appreciated or helps them to understand your views? Do you feel that pushing them away brings them closer?
There are good and bad people on both sides of the fence. I fear that you have fallen into that pit. Any good influence your digg may have had on this story has been negated by your comment -- and from my perspective you have failed to do anything productive -- ironic considering that was your pet peeve to begin with.
Please refrain from feeding the trolls in the future, and you will find yourself accomplishing more. - hikaruzero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"The problem I have with vegetarians is when they force their kids to conform to their lifestyle. I knew this kid that wasn't allowed to eat anything from animals and he was the shrimpiest ***** ever. He looked very unhealthy too. It makes me wince just thinking about it. :("
That is not a problem with vegetarianism or veganism. That is a problem with the parents. The American Dietetic Association and Dieticians of Canada have previously said, "well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence."
I also know plenty of vegan parents whose children are extremely healthy and do not look sickly in any way.
If you remember that article on Digg a while ago, where a vegan couple starved their child to death by feeding it only apple juice and soymilk, well ... that's an example that there are pretty ***** parents out there.
But blame the parents, not the lifestyle. - Eggman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11@blackandblue (#6781986)
theres this little thing called the reply button - carpespasm, on 10/11/2007, -101/+107screw upsetting vegitarians, if the original formula for a snickers calls for some milk, then the vegitarians can either eat something else or lighten up and eat a candy bar.
- bleutuna, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Hell, I'm not a vegetarian, but i'd rather NOT have animal byproducts in my candy bars. Thanks!
- azurechaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6first of all- yeast is not an animal. it's a fungus. so millions of animals didn't die to make that piece of bread. so maybe you should go tell your friend that you misled him.
second- vegans/vegetarians are not looking for cheap peace of mind, they're looking to LESSEN the ***** treatment of animals. most people realize that there is no absolute way to eliminate death or suffering to every living thing, and that's why (to me), veganism is about doing what you can feasibly do to help the industrial situation we have with animals. yes, there are going to be cases when life is lost in an accidental or secondary manner when producing food, but it's not as inherently exploitative toward animals and far fewer are killed in producing plant foods than are killed in the animal industry. - pagancollective, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@yotomote
That is probably the stupidest comment I've ever read. Not just on Digg, not just on the internet, but really on any medium. - ir1337, on 10/11/2007, -11/+16@notdugg and the ill informed
Rennet is NOT the lining of the stomach. It's an enzyme produced by mammalian stomachs in general, including yours, to digest milk (typically mother's milk). It causes the curds that if you have ever seen an infant toss up, you would recognize. If not, I can have my 10 mo. old daughter give you an example as she's tossing up her milk regularly with a cold.
Eat more chocolate, with or without curds. - azurechaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5where on earth did you base that assumption from? pretty much everyone i know is against trans-fats, veg and non-veg. it's possible for people to be against multiple things at once.
i hate it when people use things like these as jumping boards for making ridiculous accusations- it's like saying that because people are protesting inhumane animal slaughter outside a kfc, they don't care about people dying in africa. people can care about animals AND humans. but you can't just protest all of these issue simultaneously in one magical display. as humans, we're more likely to respond to localized, single issues rather than one that's like "justice to everything in the entire world."
-current vegan - petsounds01, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I'm a vegetarian and I don't really know any other vegetarians who would want to eat a Mars bar, no matter what was in it. That's not healthy at all. Though, I do think it is absolutely insane that so many people shove food into their mouthes without knowing what they are actually eating. Most people don't know that Twinkies (and other snack foods of the like) actually have beef fat in them.
In American culture, most people don't care, which is why we are, by far, the fattest and most unhealthy nation in the world. The vast majority of things that most people eat don't even qualify as "food." It's all chemicals and dyes and waxes and paints. We're too busy flaunting our "***** you, animals taste good, I'll shoot em' myself" attitudes to care. The "manly meat eater" attitude is why America comes across as the ***** jock of the world.
I'm not sure of the ages of people who "know vegetarians," but when you get to be my age late20s/early30s, you are definitely going to be able to tell who takes care of themselves and those who do not. I don't drink, smoke, eat meat, or do drugs and I eat 95% organic food, and there is a huge difference between myself and my friends who eat KFC and Taco Bell, drink pop, smoke, and drink all of the time. HUGE difference. I still look like a teenager, I can run and I play sports regularly, and I never get sick (I've been sick only once in the last eight years), whereas, half of my friends can't even walk down the road without wheezing or cramping up. You just have to take care of yourself overall. you can be healthy and eat meat, but you have to buy certain cuts of certain meats. In America, sadly, "eating meat" usually constitutes getting some God-awful quadruple-decker burger from a drive-thru. The whole "sickly vegetarian" myth is just that... a myth. It's akin to a racial stereotype. Just because you've seen it once, or even worse, "heard" about it, doesn't mean it's true. I know a lot of vegetarians, and I'm the only really thin one and that has way more to do with not drinking pop or eating Mars bars than not eating meat.
Besides, are going to harp on someone do to their appearance because of their dietary habits... um, meat eaters lose. No contest. Let's put it this way: I don't think the typical beer-gut having, couch potato, overweight American is a vegetarian.
One last about kids and the vegetarian diets: Someone said they didn't like when parents forced their kids into that lifestyle. Well, you can look at it the other way around, too, and it is actually more disgusting. Just go into any fast food place in the country and look who is in there: overweight families "forcing" their kids to adhere to their lifestyles. At my work thew other day, a woman was threatening her three year old daughter by saying she wasn't going to get an "hot wings" if she didn't behave. Additionally, children raised on a vegetarian diet actually have higher IQs than those who are not. - veskris, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12The main issue I see here is that they're using animal products for completely unnecessary purposes. I'm fine with people eating meat to survive, there is nothing more natural then that. But when we start using meat products in EVERYTHING the levels of animal slaughter and torture will get out of control.
And some of the animosity towards vegetarians here is just odd; I guess extremist organizations like Peta and snobby "I'm better than thou" people give us a bad rap, it shows here.
@tomthewombat: Great point, a lot of the people who are complaining about the inclusion of Rennet are probably the same who drink milk -- never understood that side of vegetarianism. - azurechaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5The reason it matters whether or not they're animals instead of bacteria or fungus or plants is because animals have a central nervous system, which allows them to consciously experience pain, memory, etc.
You seem very aggressive and willing to condemn about this issue, and how do you know that everyone who chooses to be vegetarian or vegan is on a "righteous crusade?" Many people who choose to not eat animals or animal products do it because they personally do not want to support it, and they're not telling you: "you must stop eating animals, too!" so why do you take it so personally? if a person doesn't want to take something's life if they don't have to, then why does this matter to you? they're not forcing you to stop eating animals.
i live in the united states, so i can speak for myself on the matter of why i choose not to support the animal industry in the u.s.- the gigantic amounts of meat and dairy we eat in our country demands that we put millions of animals in terrible cramped conditions(often in tiny cages) where they're forced to live painful, stressful lives before they're slaughtered for food and shipped off around the country. i would rather not support an industry like this that doesn't treat animals with respect, which is ultimately what i wish for.
now i don't know the state of the industry in argentina, so i can't speak from experience about how things go on over there, but that's the big reason i don't eat animal products in the u.s. i'm not completely against killing for food, but i feel it should be done out of necessity and by the person who's eating it, not someone in a factory farm thousands of miles away.
cars/buses/fossil fuels- i try to ride my bike as much as possible to get where i need to go, and occasionally drive a car. yes, dead plants and animals ultimately make up petroleum that fuels our vehicles, but they died millions of years ago and we have no control over how their lives were lived, obviously, it's in the past and we didn't specifically line animals up to be used for fossil fuels. so i try to stay away from using fossil fuels not for animal rights reasons, but because it's more friendly towards the world.
you really should work on that pointing the finger at everyone problem, as no one's pointing a finger at you. - t1m1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4What the f*** was that? o_0
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4i'm glad they decided to go back on this decision, it was silly to assume people wouldn't care just so they could save less than one hundredth of a penny per pack.
for the record my old mum loves Bounty (one of the products affected) and she was ready to give it up because we're muslims and using animal by products like Rennet makes them Haram/not Kosher. - spikeyone, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@herolint
That same bump in Japanese meat intake will also be responsible for higher cancer rates of the breast and prostrate and bowel, among other conditions (obesity anyone?). It's too bad that some people will wait 40 years before it's too obvious not to believe it. -
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