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- gALEXy, on 07/05/2008, -6/+60everyone should trip at least once in their lives. You might not understand this until you do it, but its true.
- iancgi, on 07/05/2008, -3/+53So it turns out the aboriginals tribes that have been using this for milleniamillenium were right after all.
Go figure. - inactive, on 07/05/2008, -6/+36Ah, yes, the "War on "some" drugs"
America builds more prisons than schools
America builds more prisons than ANY OTHER COUNTRY per capita.
America imprisons more of their citizens for non violent crimes than ANY OTHER COUNTRY per capita.
America manufactures and exports more weapons than ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
Now for a lesson;
Corp·ro·toc·ra·cy
n. pl. corp·ro·toc·ra·cies
1. Government by the wealthy who act on behalf of corporations.
2. A wealthy class that passes legislation that benfit corporations at the expense of its citizens.
3. A government or state in which large corporates rule and choice at general elections is limited to a choice of two parties who are really just two wings of the same parties both of which are ultimately controlled by corporations. The two party system is merely in place to give an illusion of choice.
A Corp·ro·toc·ra·cy doesn't have anything to do with the benefit of the citizens and taxpayers. That's certainly what the populations are told, but that isn't what it is.
James Madison wasn't deluded in what he was doing. - gropo, on 07/05/2008, -3/+27Psilocybin is like an amusing ride on a county fair roller coaster.
Ayahuasca (DMT, psylocybin's closest chemical cousin) is like climbing aboard the space shuttle and gazing back upon earth, shedding a tear at the beauty. - SuperJimmyJimbo, on 07/05/2008, -8/+26if it comes out of earth, it must be bad!!! *drinks soda*
- yellowswan, on 07/05/2008, -1/+17I love how people who experience bad trips tend to defensively (seemingly unconsciously) also denigrate the drugs they have used as having become "boring"… It always seems a bit deluded to me, personally.
I've had many bad trips, used extensively and found myself wanting to rely on these same defenses; so this is the perspective I'm coming with in this reply.
Perhaps you should reconsider your perspective on what the psychedelic episode can offer, and absolutely what it will invariably trial you with; considering what it is capable of; and question why you had a bad trip in the first place. My (admittedly uninformed, in the particulars of your experience,) opinion is that you used them foolishly and proportionately are a bit naive about the nature of your mind, the vastness of experience and what we call "reality".
Here's a hint : They're not necessarily like toys or candy, trifling things to be frivolously manipulated and indulged in. I think you'd be doing yourself a great disservice to dumb it down as if it were a game, or that there's nothing to be learned from that (or any) particular experience of suffering.
If you can't reflect on your comment, and delve into those thoughts and see any betrayal of either fear or arrogance, then I unfortunately pity you.
Godspeed - Jacare, on 07/05/2008, -2/+18there are many things that come out the earth that will kill if you eat them
- thebrinkman, on 07/05/2008, -4/+18it's about time. but seriously, LSD would probably help them a hell of a lot more than mushrooms. unfortunately, even owning two hits is considered felonious conspiracy against the government for some laughable reason. probably because they know two hits is where your mind really starts to shake loose all the *****.
- Ozzsanity, on 07/05/2008, -2/+14I believe that LSD scares the ***** out of the powers that be.
- FirstNobleTruth, on 07/06/2008, -1/+13I think the fact that the journal Nature is covering this, as one of the best scientific journals in the world, is quite exciting. In lends much more credence to the results of the study than if it was featured at MushroomsRockWoot11!.com. Perhaps we are becoming a more open and freethinking society.
- boombye, on 07/05/2008, -4/+15Nobody smokes mushrooms retard.
- Rahodeb, on 07/05/2008, -0/+10When did obama say he would legalize hallucinagens?
- isntreal, on 07/05/2008, -1/+11Mushrooms, along with just about everything else, are grown in poo because it's a good substrate - not because it's the only place it will grow. In the case of fungus, the poo acts as a pseudo immune system, fighting off potential infections.
- samyoungguitar, on 07/05/2008, -0/+9Yeah.. he'll legalize mushrooms! Got that wrong.
- Elise1984, on 07/05/2008, -0/+9Wow...
Why are they illegal again? I saw the study, and it seemed that the people really WERE positively changed by their experience.
I guess I could see how maybe if it was legal, ignorant people might go out and pick the wrong mushroom and kill themselves... but hey, that happens now. If it were legalized, it might just be easier to go and buy them.
Who knows... - inactive, on 07/05/2008, -3/+12------"Buried because druggies will claim anything to justify being losers."--------
Go drink your booze and read your Bible, you old coot, the intellectuals are discussing things. - scottsutherland, on 07/06/2008, -1/+9You're not realizing the argument. Why is it that anti-drug people believe that you're either sober or you're some "crazy" out-of-his-mind drug abuser? The article is just saying that a one-time low dose of hallucinogens can have positive, long-lasting effects that result in overall better life satisfaction.
And we're not saying we're NOT concerned about laws against oral sex, we're just not focusing on that issue right now. - stuma9000, on 07/06/2008, -0/+7The key part for people reporting bad experiences or concerns is the "'spiritually inclined' volunteers". Psychedelics like this seem to me to amplify existing states of mind. If you have an unstable state to begin with (e.g. angry nihilism) then you may not have a fun time. For people with an openness to a spiritual ideas it can be a great thing.
- peabody624, on 07/05/2008, -1/+8Buried for blinding adhering to the DARE program.
- ossian909090, on 07/05/2008, -1/+8I think that the researchers made a significant mistake by referring to the intangible benefits of psilocybin. For example, the "mystical" experiences and such do little to lend credibility to the study or to the collected data. Also, what was the purpose of the administration of this drug? Was it to improve quality of life, improve communicativeness, acceptance of unavoidable death, etc.? Usually it's necessary to determine the purpose of a drug prior to performing clinical trials, and, due to the wide range of effects over such a small number of trials, it's clear that this drug is quite unpredictable.
This study is a near-identical repeat of past studies and doesn't really demonstrate anything new. Similar studies have been performed using LSD and psilocybin with similar results achieved. It's widely understood that these drugs are extremely potent, and have the potential to have long-lasting or irreversible effects on brain chemistry and mood. With that in mind, I'm not sure how any doctor would feel comfortable prescribing such a drug without it having undergone extensive trials, and, due to the potential risk associated with this drug I'm not sure how it would be ethical to even have such trials.
Although, I'm all for improving the lives of terminal cancer patients. If this drug provides some intangible quality-of-life benefits, I certainly would approve of giving patients the option of taking it as long as they're made aware of the potential psychological risks. - MofugginPaulrus, on 07/06/2008, -1/+8You're not smoking salvia right then.
- Ladycomet, on 07/06/2008, -0/+7Changed mine for the better. I don't seem like someone who does drugs but I won't hold back about my opinion of Mushrooms, regardless of my audience.
You'd be surprised who else thinks so. - wphj, on 07/06/2008, -1/+8I've never heard of this ass-milk and ass-eggs... Those have got to be some seriously messed up cows and chickens.
- Rustymetal, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6This is a myth that the drug stays in your system for life, its been proven over and over again grats nature.com for perpetuating myths. I'll stick to erowid.org for my drug info
- thomleidner, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6Smurf22 has obviously NEVER taken Acid. Only every 4 days???? WTF was I doing tripping for 2 weeks during Spring Break in '91? My buddies and I ate a sheet of Clown Acid in a 10 day space, driving around in a RV through out Florida and NOLA.
Every 4 days my ass...
Now pardon me, I have to chase some sequenced multi colored dishwasher monkeys out of my pineapple. - samyoungguitar, on 07/05/2008, -1/+7There is no way I could have a good trip sitting in the Johns Hopkins research room. I listened to way too much Queensryche growing up..Operation Mindcrime. I would, however, take them just about anywhere else.
- xerox, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6They will grow on just about anything. Straw, coffee grinds, wood, rye grain, etc.
- sschepis, on 07/05/2008, -1/+7What does electing Obama have to do with hallucinogenic mushrooms? he has never once said he was going to legalize them, or any other illegal drug for that matter. Your comment gets buried for it's clumsy attempt at a nonsensical association between totally dissimilar subjects.
- yellowswan, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6Salvia is one of the most profound substances known to me, and I've done perhaps more entheogens than you can imagine. You're doing it wrong.
A quick glance at Wikipedia, which is unfortunately the only resource I can provide you with that doesn't delve deep into pedantry or scholastic monotony :
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Immediate effects
Psychedelic experiences are necessarily somewhat subjective and variations in reported effects are to be expected. Aside from individual reported experiences there has been a limited amount of published work summarising the effects. D.M. Turner’s book “Salvinorin—The Psychedelic Essence of Salvia Divinorum” quotes Daniel Siebert’s summarisation, mentioning that the effects may include:[36]
* Uncontrollable laughter
* Past memories, such as revisiting places from childhood memory
* Sensations of motion, or being pulled or twisted by forces
* Visions of membranes, films and various two-dimensional surfaces
* Merging with or becoming objects
* Overlapping realities, such as the perception of being in several locations at once
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Source : http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/salvino ...
That most certainly qualifies as a veritable 'Trip' to me… - yellowswan, on 07/06/2008, -2/+8mohsenxp:
Albert Hofmann, the father of LSD and other psychoactive compounds, lived to be 102 years old; you can see many video interviews as well as transcripts of interviews and essays that were coming into publication well near his death. He was a luminous, and accomplished man, and maintained a vigorous cognizance to his final days… despite _gasp_ using psychedelic drugs. Surely this is a fine example of a healthy brain? Expansion of the mind and health of the brain are not mutually exclusive, friend.
Perhaps try looking at the lives and accomplishments of Dr. John C. Lily, Author Ken Kesey, the novels of Thomas Pynchon and John Barth… I mean, come now, you're being an imbecile in what is a relatively public arena.
Give up the ghost already, the fear is seeping through your thin facade - inactive, on 07/05/2008, -1/+7The problem with that thinking is that you compare cocaine to mushrooms. I guess it's difficult to erase the decades of misinformation spread by 'drug education.'
- Elsewhere42, on 07/06/2008, -1/+7I try to keep my diet focused on things that come out of an animals ass.
*** Gulps some milk and eats an egg *** - shaneomac27, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6all i know is i had trichatillomania before i did mushrooms and after i did them it went away.
im living proof - inactive, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6Not necessarily. I've learned a lot of things from experimenting with various psychedelics over the years, and some people have never even taken a drug in their life and have learned the same things. It depends on the person. Some people (including me) needed a little help pinpointing and changing daily routines/bad habits, others don't.
But people who are 100% against them and dislike people who use them is another story. - tjmb9, on 07/05/2008, -0/+5anyone know how big the "dose" the patients were administered was?
- inactive, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5Not for everybody. Some of the stronger hallucinogens can easily intensify extreme paranoia in people. I'm for the use and legalization of hallucinogens, but a lot of issues we have on this planet can be resolved with discussions and an open mind.
- RobotBuddha, on 07/05/2008, -1/+6Given how much "health food" is just hype and marketing around something that might as well just be a flintstones vitamin, taken constantly instead of real food, it wouldn't be too surprising to find out a drug only taken on rare occasions would show better results.
- yellowswan, on 07/06/2008, -1/+6Turns out we all once shared a culture virtually indistinguishable from the kind you describe; some contend that these experiences were essential constituents to the formation of the fundamental belief, awareness (or cultivation of the concept) of a self, and religion, amongst other things.
One wonders when, and especially why these practices were systematically cleansed from culture. This is pertinent as they have found a resurgence in our substantially more sophisticated culture, despite the most furious attempts to impugn the divers merits they afford us with. - riaahacker, on 07/05/2008, -1/+6SSRIs are not abusable, if anyone tried they would probably get serotonin syndrome which is extremely unpleasant and sometimes deadly. Psychedelics (serotonergic psychedelics) act as agonists and stimulate 5-HT2A receptors, anti-depressants work by inhibiting the reuptake of serotonin so there is more floating around in your brain, two totally different modes of action.
- RobotBuddha, on 07/05/2008, -2/+7Are you only basing that on anecdotal evidence? It might, it might not. There's really very little good science out there on the subject. Too little, in my opinion, to really judge either way on an individual basis. And when it comes to comparisons, saying there's not enough studies to judge is an understatement.
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -5/+10You know they grow in cow poop.
- inactive, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5It should be tried at least once, but don't be dumb about it. Read into it, be responsible and keep an open mind. Don't let it just be a chance to see cool *****, learn from it. The best part for me is after it wears off and really taking the time to think about everything that happened. You can learn a lot about yourself this way.
- vinceislegend, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4We can't stop here. This is bat country.
- willster580, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5I tripped yesterday actually. Tripping is only for some people though; it's definitely not something that I would recommend to everyone, or even most people. Oh, and salvia isn't *****. So if you think you've tripped cause you did it, you didn't.
- shaneomac27, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5even owning two hits is considered felonious conspiracy against the government for some laughable reason. probably because they know two hits is where your mind really starts to shake loose all the *****.
i believe that is true with marijuana too - Bloodboiler, on 07/05/2008, -1/+5I seriously doubt you can get any pleasure by abusing SSRI medication. You'd just screw up your brain chemistry.
And SSRI is not addictive. You just are not supposed to stop taking them suddenly. That's done by slowly decreasing dosage over time. - yellowswan, on 07/06/2008, -2/+6What 'bad effects' in particular would you like studies on (regarding the duration of influence)?
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -3/+7Without widespread use of hallucinogens there's no way well break our minds free. Its time to ignore our masters and harvest enough of these for everybody, and then we can call this planet ours.
- yellowswan, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4As for the 'quickness' of Salvia's experience, you ought to know well that time dilation absolutely negates even the basest correlation between profundity of experience and 'Actual' duration. This can be illustrated in no finer a manner than to reference the widely-heralded DMT and its similar duration; yet it is also one of the most potent and eviscerating experiences known to me as well.
It seems to me you have some gross misunderstandings about what a "Trip" ought be classified as, I recognize that Salvia is severely potent substance, and an egregiously stunning psychedelic episode.
As to your request, certainly.
• Dimethyltryptamine (smoked)
• Salvia Divinorum (smoked, chewed)
• Psilocybin (Mushrooms, ingested)
• Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (Blotter, Geltab, Vial, ingested)
• Ayahuasca derived from Caapi vine (ingested)
• Mescaline (Unknown extraction, Peyote Buttons, Blended Peruvian Torch… ingested) - treas, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5Guess who.
In the autumn of 1974, Jobs returned to California and began attending meetings of the Homebrew Computer Club with Steve Wozniak.[17] He took a job as a technician at Atari, a manufacturer of popular video games, with the primary intent of saving money for a spiritual retreat to India.
Jobs then backpacked around India with a Reed College friend (and, later, the first Apple employee), Daniel Kottke, in search of philosophical enlightenment. He came back with his head shaved and wearing traditional Indian clothing. During this time, Jobs experimented with LSD, calling these experiences "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life."[18] He has stated that people around him who did not share his countercultural roots could not understand certain aspects of his thinking.[18] -
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