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- abarysh2, on 11/19/2008, -6/+130Well I'll be the one person to say I got the flu shot last year because they were offering it free for employees of my company, and when my whole family got the flu during the holidays, I was the only one who didn't.
- ohpohp, on 11/19/2008, -6/+96A Doctor. One Doctor. When this is a consensus among doctors, I'll pay attention.
- Thud, on 11/19/2008, -1/+78OK... so where's the evidence that Vitamin D is more effective than a placebo in preventing the flu?
- Rxbrent, on 11/19/2008, -4/+70The following is found on Wikipedia if you want to follow the trail of sources. The same is in virtually every medical textbook ever written for those who fault me for using Wikipedia as a source.
Following the widespread use of poliovirus vaccine in the mid-1950s, the incidence of poliomyelitis declined dramatically in many industrialized countries. A global effort to eradicate polio began in 1988, led by the World Health Organization, UNICEF, and The Rotary Foundation.[68] These efforts have reduced the number of annual diagnosed cases by 99%; from an estimated 350,000 cases in 1988 to 1,310 cases in 2007.[69][70] Should eradication be successful it will represent only the second time mankind has ever completely eliminated a disease. The first such disease was smallpox, which was officially eradicated in 1979.[71] A number of eradication milestones have already been reached, and several regions of the world have been certified polio-free. The Americas were declared polio-free in 1994.[72] In 2000 polio was officially eradicated in 36 Western Pacific countries, including China and Australia.[73][74] Europe was declared polio-free in 2002.[75] As of 2006, polio remains endemic in only four countries: Nigeria, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.[69]
I'm no fan of Big Pharma but vaccines work. They prevent far more harm than they cause. The flu shot may not work like it's promoted to but what you are saying is ignorant. And no, I don't want to hear your proof. - zwendkos, on 11/19/2008, -16/+81avoid condoms too
- tawnos, on 11/19/2008, -13/+70I cant remember ever getting a Flut Shot to tell you the truth.
- lornefs, on 11/19/2008, -10/+65Who is this ***** anyway, some cardiac surgeon?
What does he know about vaccines?
Why does everybody listen to ***** like this.
Oh and the flu you thought you got after the flu shot was most probably a cold.
Someday however (fact) there is going to be a virulent strain that is more deadly and you will all be clamoring to get it.
***** whiny *****, I hate the whole misguided anti-vaccine conspiracy ***** movement. - pcbene, on 11/19/2008, -2/+55Good thing I'm not a child between 6 and 23 months...
- ThinkFr33ly, on 11/19/2008, -10/+60This "doctor" also disputes that CO2 causes global warming and that HIV causes AIDS.
In other words, he is a crank.
Buried. - srvenable, on 11/19/2008, -9/+59Junk science and dangerous.
Buried. - theberlindoctor, on 11/19/2008, -4/+37from the actual research:
AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS: Influenza vaccines are efficacious in children older than two years but little evidence is available for children under two.
Buried for VERY MISLEADING TITLE that could have potentially deadly results. This is horribly irresponsible. - SkippyDoorknob, on 11/19/2008, -1/+33Each year's flu vaccine is a best guess of what the main flu strains will be for the upcoming season. So if you get exposed to a flu strain that wasn't covered in the vaccination, you're not protected.
- ShadowNetworks, on 11/19/2008, -2/+33I see an issue with this article. The population is children 1/2 year to 2 years old. This doesn't necessarily apply to adults or teens directly. Young children have extremely strong immune systems (provided no genetic or viral impairment). Children also have extremely high metabolisms compared to adults. You can't directly correlate results from this population to others. There are plenty of studies to contradict these findings. Buried as inaccurate.
- pcbene, on 11/19/2008, -3/+34and the nice people at the CDC (best scientists, researchers and doctors from around the world) seem to think otherwise...
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/e ... - Blydchyld, on 11/19/2008, -1/+31Exactly the same deal here.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -8/+37Buried as *****. When did digg become inundated with this pseudo-science garbage?
It's the idiots who decide NOT to get vaccinated that ruin the vaccines for the rest of us (as they're really best effective when a majority of the population has received them) - xexx, on 11/19/2008, -8/+35Buried for dangerous stupidity.
Unless maybe you're under 2 years old. - jhbarr, on 11/19/2008, -7/+32Yeah because we've had so many outbreaks of the measles, mumps, etc in the past 40 years except for those caused by parents who don't vaccinate their kids.
- danq99, on 11/19/2008, -4/+28buried for pandering to anti-vaccine crowd with misinformation
- pintomp3, on 11/19/2008, -11/+33flu shots are the devil. they are based on science and evolution!
- LaurencePike, on 11/19/2008, -2/+24Problem with most Americans/Canadians is they call a cold "the flu"... "The flu" or influenza will keep you bed ridden for around 2 weeks, and you will wish you were dead for every moment.. A flu-shot will not stop colds V_V
- gritta, on 11/19/2008, -8/+30I'm sorry but I have to say this is incorrect. Luckily for me I got a free flu jab from my employer last year. I went skiing just before Christmas for a week. The three other people sharing a room with me all came down with very severe flu, they could only ski for 1 day out of 6, but I was fine.
I dont think it's possible to share a room with 3 people with the flu and not catch it - it was the flu jab that saved me. - Murdats, on 11/19/2008, -1/+21wow, you can diagnose people over the internet better then people who live with them?
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -0/+20Or maybe they actually had the flu and the vaccine actually worked.
Wow Science, you crazy. - roflbrothel, on 11/19/2008, -0/+19I heard they're bad for the environment and are also a choking hazard.
- SkippyDoorknob, on 11/19/2008, -4/+22Each year's flu vaccine is a best guess of what the main flu strains will be for the upcoming season. So if you get exposed to a flu strain that wasn't covered in the vaccination, you're not protected.
- maliath, on 11/19/2008, -3/+21You're right, it works. This was a review of CHILDREN 6 TO 23 MONTHS. They do not have the fully adept immune system that adults do. The very old and very young are not able to develop immunity as well as adults and adolescents. THEREFORE, in order to help prevent the very young and very old from contracting the flu, it is the responsibility of everyone else to get vaccinated. This doctor is not only foolish, he is posing a danger to public health and should lose his license.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -7/+24I hope people that digg this get the flu.
- jba68, on 11/19/2008, -1/+18Thats a broad generalization on your part, I shall call you Dr. FAIL
- IKORKYI, on 11/19/2008, -0/+17they're a choking hazard only if used correctly
- jlungu, on 11/19/2008, -4/+21... or the flu for that matter.
- BinaryFragger, on 11/19/2008, -4/+20Hooray for anecdotal evidence.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -7/+23jme77: You are a kook radical. There is no need to IM you just to prove that.
Just take a look at Rxbrent's comments. They alone prove you are an absolute fool and a ***** loon.
Go put your tinfoil hat back on. - inactive, on 11/19/2008, -1/+17You do not get sick from the vaccine. I know there are tons of people that claim they do but that is, most likely, a psychosomatic response.
The exception may be if they have a slight allergy to eggs. - lornefs, on 11/19/2008, -0/+15For ***** sakes, there is no flu that makes you feel a little crumby for a few days, that's a cold. Aaaargh, stupidity abounds.
- ricker2005, on 11/19/2008, -8/+23So did anyone actually read the article. It's filled with unsubstantiated, anti-vaccine rhetoric for the most part. In the part of reality where people think vaccines are useful tools for helping people, you can just make statements with no proof. Especially when your statements are 100% contradicted by the CDC. Take off your ***** tin foil hats and stop acting like everything in the world is a huge conspiracy by The Man.
- nogami, on 11/19/2008, -3/+18Wow.
One doctor says "don't get a flu shot" and suddenly the naysayers feel vindicated.
Here's the deal. If you have a weak or compromised immune system, a flu shot is cheap protection against getting very sick (or dead in some cases). If your immune system is good, you might still never get the flu.
If you're allergic to eggs, you may find you have an immune reaction. Getting a flu shot will NOT give you the flu, as the stuff they're injecting into you are basically "virus fragments". It would be equivalent to saying that a piranha that has been put through a blender can no longer bite you. Alternately, some vaccines use weakened viruses which have little to no ability to replicate, so still can't hurt you.
You are still still susceptible to the common cold. You might still get that and feel like crap. That is not the flu. - Kazimieras, on 11/19/2008, -1/+16I'm in Ontario and we have had FREE flu shots for over 5 years now. The amount that it costs the province has now been calculated, and they now have enough data to show how effective the shots have been. It has saved over millions of trips to the ER each year, making the shot pay for itself in no time.
I am not dismissing the perks of Vitamin D, but it is the new flavoured wonder drug of the month. Don't fall for this crap. - jbmcb, on 11/19/2008, -1/+15So there's one (unreferenced) study from the UCLA published in Nature, and this guy's completely unscientific observations in his own medical ward.
That's it? You need more than that.
It's known that a vitamin D deficiency can lead to a depressed immune system, but if you get enough, there's no evidence that MORE will protect you any further. - theberlindoctor, on 11/19/2008, -0/+14from the other comments:
"Among the other things this doctor has written is an article
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller26.html
in which he disputes (a) the role of human activity in causing global warming through increased CO2 emissions and (b) HIV as the cause of AIDS (”The real cause: Lifestyle (receptive anal intercourse….”)."
Seriously. - nicholasroussos, on 11/19/2008, -6/+19Umm... My guess would be that Vitamin D IS the placebo.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -1/+13"Correlation is not causation."
Alas, clever quips are not refutation. Do you hold that the polio data represents an amazing series of coincidences? Should fire fighters see it as dumb luck when a fire happens to go out right when they started spraying it with water? - xexx, on 11/19/2008, -2/+14I'm sure you know what's best with your PHD in medicine.
Oh wait... - gobbleplex, on 11/19/2008, -0/+12An actual flu is a lot more than just feeling less than 100% for a couple of days. Real influenza is certifiably 'knock you on your ass' material that can persist for weeks.
- whorunbartertwn, on 11/19/2008, -4/+15This quack MD also believes that cancer isn't caused by genetic mutations, HIV doesn't cause AIDS, and cholesterol and saturated fats don't cause coronary artery disease.
He's making a living being an extemist anti-establishment nutjob, and it's paranoid gullible gibbering idiots like you, jme77, that are his perfect audience. - gobbleplex, on 11/19/2008, -0/+11The flu is not 'feeling less than 100% for a few days'. Real influenza is nasty stuff that can knock you into next wednesday, by which time you *might* feel better. Maybe.
- JargonScott, on 11/19/2008, -1/+12I don't know. I asked my chiropractor about it and his field is recommending people get full body manipulations instead of shots.
/sarcasm - theberlindoctor, on 11/19/2008, -3/+14You can still spread it, asshat. A lot more people used to die of the flu before the vaccines.
"An overall and substantial decline in influenza-classed mortality was observed during the 20th century, from an average seasonal rate of 10.2 deaths per 100 000 population in the 1940s to 0.56 per 100 000 by the 1990s."
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/5/939 - Gannoc, on 11/19/2008, -3/+14I always skipped flu shots because I didn't like needles, then about 4 years ago I caught the flu. One hour I was fine, two hours later I was in bed, in pain, shivering. Prob the most miserable 4-5 days of my life. I couldn't eat, sleep, focus, etc. When I would move, my muscles hurt like hell. I had been sick in the past and called it the "flu", but I doubt it was compared to this.
Anyway, I get a flu shot every year now... - SgtAl, on 11/19/2008, -6/+16You & the rest of the anti-vaccine crowd are nothing more than a flock of loons.
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