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- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -13/+100"They get dim after tens and tens of thousands of hours of use. If you leave it on fox news for 8 hours a day for 10 years you will have problems around then."
If you leave it on Fox news for 8 hours a day, you've got problems of your own. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+61"Probably the best analogy people are using is Beta and VHS from the early VCR days," said some bozo.
No, it isn't, idiot. LCD and plasma can coexist peacefully, they are mutually compatible, they both work with all common video technology. People on the wrong side in the Beta/VHS wars were left with a bum player and a catalog of useless Beta tapes. People on the wrong side of this one will simply buy a new TV when their current one dies, and not be any worse off. - Gromit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Since when are plasmas more expensive than LCDs? I know they are getting cheaper, but as far as I know, LCD displays are still more expensive.
Panasonic says their plasma displays will go to half-brightness in 60,000 hours. Do the math. That's over 25 years of watching every day for 6 hours a day. How is that "a limited life measured in months not years"?
I've had a plasma display for 2+ years. I play LOTS of video games on it. I have experienced ZERO burn-in, image retention, etc.
I'm glad we have great options to choose from when it comes to display technology. But I'm so sick of people who don't know what the $%^* they are talking about spouting crap about plasma displays. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Am I behind the times here or do plasmas still have the "dies after so many hours" problem?
In other news I am amused by the concept of being in plasma country. - golfe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21>Any TV that has to be carried by 3 or more people is not something most people want.
Similar size 42" plasma and 46" DLP weigh about 100 lbs and 110 lbs respectively (Samsung models). If you need 3 or more people to carry a 110 lbs television, me thinks you need to get some larger friends. - pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20They get dim after tens and tens of thousands of hours of use. If you leave it on fox news for 8 hours a day for 10 years you will have problems around then. Generally it is in the range of where you should have a new tv. unless you want to be buried with this or something.
- pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17SED “the best display technology you’ve ever seen that may be stillborn” don't hold your breath.
- codyman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19I prefer LCD over plasma, personally. I mean I'm not in the streets chanting "death to plasma" or anything.. but its just a personal preference
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Plasma has a superior picture, if I could stand beside you and show you what to look for you'd see it very quickly.
Yes I think that plasma is going to die, as will LCD. Newer tech will win, as it will be lighter, and more importantly less expensive with at least as good a picture.
In the short term, burn-in is the Achilles heel of plasma. "Sir, yes your new TV looks great but be sure to s t r e t c h the picture when watching 4x3 content or you will ruin your TV"... - IMustBeEmo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Yes because the average consumer buys 20 plasmas at a time.
Wouldn't it cut down on your AC/heat bill too, just like that $3000 gaming computer? - ziggy101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Perhaps, but just trying hanging one of them on your wall....
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20I could care less about either right now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_Electron-emitter_Display - blackbelt88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9A lot of the problems relating to longevity with plasmas have been minimized, but it is still an issue. Burn in is also something to watch out for. Leaving a video game on pause for a few hours won't mess it up like it used to, but I've heard of those little network symbols in the corner being problematic.
- EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.htm
20 TVs' power consumption compared - ziggy101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Last time I compared them Plasma's had significantly better brightness levels and a much better viewing angle. When viewed straight on, the LCD did seem to have a slightly better picture although with Plasmas, you need calibrate them and used for about 150 hours before they start to show their best picture.
Also, once you go above 36" Plasmas are a good deal cheaper then LCD's right now. - carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Show me a plasma TV with a resolution of 1920x1080. That's right, they don't exist and never will. "
Uhh....what?
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069731_290043890,00.html
Try actually knowing something about the technology before spewing garbage or perhaps try not using newegg.com as your resource for things TV related. - IMustBeEmo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Not for football. Or anything else that moves a couple yards/meters in a few seconds.
- dipdog21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The only way you can compare these is a small LCD versus a big plasma. Keep in mind that you may be looking at the same image on both displays but the plasma is taking the same image the smaller lcd has an making it larger, thus you see more imperfections. If you look as a 42" lcd vs. 42" plasma the lcd's look awful a lot of artifacting and ghosting. They will catch up but not yet.
- wistar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Newer Plasmas have an anticipated lifespan of about 60,000 operational hours. I have three older Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas that have been used 9 hours a day or so for about 5 years now and they have lost a lot of their vibrancy, especially when compared to the new Panasonics I acquired in the past few weeks (inluding a 65" and that is a real pleasure).
I imagine that part of the difference is the age of the older displays and the improvement in plasma technology in the last few years. - SpankyPants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4FFS! If one more hack uses the VHS / Betamax comparison, I think I'll ****ing hang myself. It was what, 20 years ago or more? And they still use it every single bloody time there are some sort of competing products on the market (which is like every other week). Please, for God's sake let it go, move on, use something else. It's just so ****ing boring.
And besides, it's nothing like that format war anyway. - maddoginthefog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Does anybody out there have a photo of the alleged burn-in problem on plasma tv's? And I'm talking about newer plasmas, not the old ones. I've had my 50" Panasonic plasma for about 6 months now. Amazing picture and absolutely no signs of any burn-in problems. I really think this burn-in issue is blown way out of proportion and is approaching urban legend status.
- craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I used a 2005 edition 50" Panasonic plasma for about 6 months before returning it to Costco so that I could get a better unit with more inputs. Having used the Plasma for that long there is no way I'd switch to LCD. Sure, I'd like the true 1080p pixel count, but the color contrast is far superior on plasmas and in the end that's the single biggest driving factor in my opinion-- I'm talking plasma's 10,000:1 versus LCD's 1200:1 for 2006 units. Also at the 50" size, LCD starts to become much more expensive. So, when I buy my final HD TV, I'm going to get the latest 50" Panasonic plasma and leave LCD for my main computer display.
Let me know if you have questions about the units I've tried or other Pros/Cons of Plasma vs. LCD. I've done plenty of research and have used units in real-life and am happy to pass on what I've learned. - Manhigh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"DLP is a joke. Any TV that has to be carried by 3 or more people is not something most people want."
My 52" toshiba is under 90 lbs. It take two people to move it. I don't see how a single person could move a 52" plasma or LCD tv. - wistar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the end, though, I'd rather have a 1080P front projection system with 4500 lumens and a 110" Stewart Filmscreen projection surface.
- inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5both OF THOSE TECHNOLOGIES SUCK. TAKE A LOOK AT LCoS, If you want to see something that blows your mind see the Sony Grand Wega 60" 2006 (Make sure it's the 2006 model) it is LCoS, nothing in the high end tv store even compares with LCoS
Only Sony and JVC make LCoS tvs right now that are second gen. It's better than my 30" cinema display, and the blacks are so good if I pause a movie on black you can't tell if the TV is on or off.
It's also the best TV rated under $10,000 by consumer reports, and 2 other high end gear magazines. Check out out for yourself, and not in the sony store they label the 55 2005, as 60" 2006 lol
TRUST ME. I've had every SINGLE type of HDTV, Plasma, LCD, and DLP. LCoS beats them all, it's like and LCD on crack.
60" Sony Grand Wega LCoS 2006 model full 1080p inputs is about $3500 - TheBarge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@wistar
"Don't know about you but the rainbow shimmer I see in almost every DLP, including the 53", makes me crazy. What is with that?"
Some people can see the rainbow, some don't. I can't see it, at least not on floor models. But the new LED based Samsung (HL-S5679) doesn't have the rainbow effect. The effect is caused by the color wheel that DLP's use. The introduction of the LED means no more color wheel, which means no more rainbow effect. I'll be purchasing my first HDTV set next week, and it'll be the 5679 (MSRP $3,999). - evansls, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I purchased my 42" Samsung HPR4272 Plasma in July for $2050 from Best Buy in their "Magnolia" section. This plasma offers 10,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, while many popular LCDs only offer up to 6,000:1! Many plasmas today, including this Samsung plasma are 5th generation that offer 3 built in features to protect from Screen Burn! The Screen Burn Protection includes Pixel Shift, All White and Signal Pattern. But of all of these choices to choose from to protect your plasma from "burn in", the real secret is to keep watching television! This is because watching anything on TV will literally "wash" away anything that faintly resembles what would appear to be burn in, which is so faint and colorless it goes away when you change the channel, which includes static images such as news logos, tickers, sport score boards, etc. It's no big deal... The only people who will ever have issues and I'm talking serious "burn in" issues are those who pause video games or their DVRs for hours on end without any change on screen or those who use plasmas to display their network logos in the background!
This Samsung plasma and many other plasmas last up to 60,000 hours, which is 6 hours a day times 27 years of usage! This is the same lifetime as what the article says LCDs are said to last! LCDs cost $5000 to $8000 when they start breaking the 40" to 50" mark! The technology is simply not there yet for LCDs to cost $2000 if you want something larger than 42". Maybe when something is on sale in store (not talking about online) and you come with a 10% coupon will you find a deal, but in my humble opinion plasmas offer better picture, cheaper prices at larger sizes! - fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the correct res is 1366x768 or 1280x720.
most LCD TVs 27" and up are 1366x768 or 1920x1080 (37"+) - wistar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't know about you but the rainbow shimmer I see in almost every DLP, including the 53", makes me crazy. What is with that?
I like plasma because it is so darn bright and snappy. Besides, who keeps a still emerging technology that's a centerpiece for more than a few years anyway? Anyone still have that old brick Motorola cellphone? - mturn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4agreed. to compare plasma to betamax is to say that your two thousand dollars spent today will have been a complete waste next year, which makes no sense at all. it is a television; as long as it displays a picture it will be money well spent.
hd-dvd v. blu-ray, on the other hand, is well deserving of the betamax comparison. one will win, and the other will die a painful death. i predict hd-dvd will win, as the average consumer will more easily relate it to hdtv, as well as the fact that sony sucks at everything these days. - JustEvk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3God, all of this high-def TV stuff makes my head hurt. Someone just tell me which TV to buy.
- Phoenixus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just bought a 56 inch samsung DLP HDTV. Awesome picture...and whoever said you need 3 people to carry it, this TV weighs 80 pounds. In comparison with the downsides and upsides of all the TVs...the DLP just seemed better for the money.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm in the same boat, dude. Why can't they speed-up production of LED-based LCD's? :-(
- SweetsGreen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3and you'd be shelling out $400 for a new bulb every 4000 hrs
- samsite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6doesn't plasma also use a huge amount of energy compared to LCD (funny that i should care as i have 3 PC's running 24/7) i don't really think the life time of a plasma TV is as much of a issue as every one makes out though. If you add up the hours, you will of replaced the TV long before its dead....
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4if your more concerned about hanging your tv on the wall then the picture quality then that makes perfect sense.
if your main concern in having the best possible viewing experience for the money, you'll look at all the options available, not just the ones that are 3 inches deep (even though they are still heavy as hell and need special mounting brackets to hang on the wall) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4unless you consider your 60" tv a mobility device, who gives a flying ***** how heavy it is?
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I still have a high end 32" CRT, still. i'm waiting for both the plasma/LCD and HDTV stuff to standardize before switching-but i'm not a big TV watcher in general.
- golfe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I think that DLP is best. It has a very nice screen size/$ ratio and good image. Probably not as crystal clear as plasma, however, one manufacturer (Samsung) has released a new DLP lighting structure based on LEDs that eliminates the need for a color wheel. The images should be both brighter and crisper.
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it's not irrelivent because a competing technology is rolling out. their are all kinds of factors, price not being the least of them.
- inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've already seen SED, and while it does show promise, the first gen isn't large enough or clear enough for anything over 30". And the cost is prohibitive.
SED will be a nice option when we have Super-High Def, which is about 4 times 1080p resolution... - wistar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yep. 4000 hours is a lot longer than those lamps usually last but it's a price I'd glady bear for the cinematic experience.
Of course, there is that new Panasonic 1080p 103" plasma... - mojotooth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"I have a 9-inch television from 1997 in my room."
Yeah I don't think we're talking about 50-inch plasma screens to put in your dorm room, junior. Ssh now and let the big people talk about big people stuff. - golfe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's really nice about the lasers. However, some articles say that it is basically just a DLP that uses laser light instead of a white light source. I can imagine that the lasers will not be in use all the time like a white light source, so it could save on the life of the light source? However, replacing a laser might be expensive too.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with the above comment that there is a good to excellent chance that SED is going to be still born. While it is a good technology, it has to compete with LCD and plasma flat panels (which are emerging to mature technologies) from the get go. The advantages of SED are marginal, and if they make it to market they will cost significantly more (2-3 times) a similarly sized LCD or plasma. Given that, they probably won't last long enough to mature and get the costs of production down that LCD and plamsa already enjoy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4lcd/lcos doesn't get burn in, after a few years it can get pixel memory where pixels dont' bend back into the exact same stop. this is fixable by simply powering down the set for 12 hours and letting the cells relax.
- obediah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't think they could cut down on AC and heat, unless your using them as insulation.
- rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm waiting for LED illuminated LCD displays; less power consumption, better color range, no burn-in, and super long life.
- Deuterium, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Ask your wife/girlfriend about the size.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i know what you mean i have the jvc 70" lcos and every one who has seen it without fail says it's ***** amazing.
pity there's not really any 1080p content out yet. by the time there is i'll probably upgrade again to something better. -
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