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Teen's captor used a C64 computer

edition.cnn.com — Police combing through the house where Natascha Kampusch was held captive for 8 1/2 years said Tuesday they made an unusual discovery: her captor, a communications technician, used an obsolete computer -- and his odd choice now threatens to complicate their investigation.

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  • LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+68How is this a problem? There are ***** of people still working with C64's that haven't turned theirs into doorstops. There's a local club right here in my city that still utilizes the machines for things such as model train controllers, DJs, and other junk. I'm sure there's a similar group in Austria. Has to be if this guy was still using his. Hit the group up for solutions on extracting the data or hire one of them... with a background check of course. :)
    • headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+66Yeah, I'm sure by tomorrow there will be dozens of people lined up at the police HQ, willing to explain to them how the whole thing works.
    • Americruzan0, on 10/12/2007, -7/+92He may have been a ***** up bastard, but at least he had good taste in computers
    • nydan, on 10/12/2007, -29/+103I think we all can agree anyone who uses a C64 is a child molester.
    • bigbeefe, on 10/12/2007, -34/+3C64? seriously!?!?
    • carve, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33load"*",8,1

    • mrFREEZE, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23"He may have been a ***** up bastard, but at least he had good taste in computers"

      To be fair though, doesn't everyone who have good taste in computers, by definition, a ***** up bastard (myself included)? ;p
    • billyboobs34, on 10/12/2007, -23/+7I used to use a c64 I started programming on one when I was five years old...
    • shit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It's not like he has a hard drive in the thing. If he has any data worth looking at, it's on floppies and it can be extracted by various means, e.g. CBM4Linux: http://www.lb.shuttle.de/puffin/cbm4linux/

      Then you're only a LOAD"$",8 away from whatever you want to know.

      Don't cops know about Google? Or technology for that matter? They can't "transmit the data to a modern computer without loss" my ass!
  • nj10ii, on 10/12/2007, -195/+22I wonder if anyone asked Natascha if she had ever heard of Steve Irwin, and what she thinks about all the fuss about him getting killed by a fish?

    I mean after all, in her experience of being kidnapped, raped, beaten down, held prisoner in a dank basement cell for 8 1/2 years, and heres this guy thats been asking for it for the last 5 yrs finally gets his, and everybody is surprised!!

    Her story, gets one article on the front page of digg after all that, she wasn't asking for it...

    The injustice...
    • QuimZ, on 10/12/2007, -10/+111You do know Austria and Australia are very far apart?
    • hammydude, on 10/12/2007, -57/+8p-p-p-p-p-p-BLOCKED!!!
    • timmarhy, on 10/12/2007, -31/+26***** your one stupid ***** that's all that can be said...
    • Celeron, on 10/12/2007, -31/+7holy *****, op. you're a *****.
    • element[0], on 10/12/2007, -11/+17@nj10ii

      yeah the distance between australia and austria is 15,912 kilometers or 9887 miles or 8592 nautical miles.

      I think you should check out an atlas some time
    • Lexomatic, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5wow, nj10ii, I'm amazed you even have the intellect to use a computer. Welcome to my list of block morons on digg.
    • birdwatcher3000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I am not surprised by all the idiots jumping into conclusions and calling the original poster a moron. Idiots seem to be everywhere nowadays.

      So idiot number one, QuimZ; is it only people in Australia than know of Irwin that you immediately conclude the original poster mixed up the countries?

      Idiot number four, Celeron; Do you think Austria is some middle age country with no TV or other news media?

      You guys are plain stupid and by blocking him you are actually doing the rest of us a favour. You won't see his comments and you won't post your ***** in return.

      Oh, and by the way. The op was right. Irwin was asking for it and it was his choice. Natasha on the other hand...
    • zybch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I gotta totally agree with nj10ii on this one.
      Just today we (aussies) had another legend, morot racer Peter Brock, kill himself while indulging his risky career and no doubt the news on every channel will be filled with brock this, brock that, brock everything else.
      Sheesh, people have some truely screwy priorities if they think that there is any kind of parity between these jumped up celebs doing stuff they KNOW is dangerous but keep doing it regardless of the consequences, and some girl whos' life is totally ruined through no fault of her own!
    • spooq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2bloody hell, Brock DID just die! its a bad week to be an Aussie... Id better watch my back!
    • popfrogs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Um, I don't remember reading anything about her getting beaten down and raped. I guess you have access to some psychic hotline rss feed that the rest of the world doesn't. By all (public) accounts she seems to have been well taken care of, with the exception of being underweight.
    • eaasness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Lloyd: That's a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?
      Lady at bus stop: Austria.
      Lloyd: Austria! Well, then. G'day mate! Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!
      Lady at bus stop: Let's not.
  • scinortcele, on 10/12/2007, -2/+92This is the perfect digg story: Current events + technology + mildly pointless.

    !
    • Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Agreed. But add "outdated" before the technology part :)
    • breakfast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6diggs would have doubled if it was case-modded.
    • kayjay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1i wonder what software he was using on that commo64... linux?
  • cannibaljp, on 10/12/2007, -32/+12does this just scream:

    "If your a criminal, buy a Tandy!"

    to anybody but me?

    give me a break... that computer is about to get geeked on by so many people...
    • pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27C64 was NOT a Tandy. C64 was put out by "Commodore Business Machines"

      Tandy was/is a division of Rat Smack

    • biometricks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have thrown away my Tandy HX 1000. I probably could have sold it now...
    • cannibaljp, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5uh... yes i know who made what computer. i owned both (actually i never owned a 64. i had a Vic 20, i jumed to an Apple II after that)...

      it was an attempt at -
      h.u.m.o.r.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Don't you mean an attempt at humour?

      h.u.m.o.u.r.

      the language is called english...

      :)
    • ctrphoto, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4humor is American english, humour is British english. DUH.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5no, 'humour' is english - the clue's in the name :)
      'humor' is bastardised english that has become standard in America
  • vegasbright, on 10/12/2007, -34/+12Lets all not forget that Trekkie == Pedophile
  • addicted68098, on 10/12/2007, -139/+3I hate how stories like this get blown up to this stance, there are much more important stories that get pushed off the daily playlist of news just because some girl decided to drink too much on sprig break.
    • FMJ87, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46do you have any idea what you're saying?
    • pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+73you sorry sack of *****, a little girl was kidnapped and raped for almost 9 years. There was no drinking, she was 10 years old.
      You insensitive *****. RTFA next time and STFU...

    • Americruzan0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+53Wow....

      You are the biggest ***** alive.
    • schwegler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Did he think that this was a Natalie Holloway thing? Wow....
    • realyst, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Do us a favor and castrate yourself.

      Add some icing to that cake and try to stop a semi with your body.
    • DontSayFanboy, on 10/12/2007, -24/+10Okay, he got dugg down for being an ***** about it, but the problem of "pretty white girl in danger" getting an extraordinary amount of media coverage is a very real problem.

      Elizabeth Smart is a household name, but you're going to have to google Alexis Patterson to know who that is. Even worse, how many people still think Iraq was linked to 9/11 but can recite all the details of this case?
    • felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23You're right, that was the first time that I had heard of Alexis Patterson.

      The media really needs to take a hard look at themselves for the way they practically ignore the cases where it's not a little white girl. This is *****. We all know about Megan's Law, everyone knows about Jon Benet, the world even holds its breath for a runaway bride, but if it's a little black girl, you have to look for sites like this http://www.freewebs.com/missingblackkids/faq.htm
      to even hear about them.

      I'm not diminishing the plight of the white children who have been victimized, but where's the media attention for the other children?
    • drlha, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@felchdonkey: While I agree that there is media bias towards "missing white girls" I think this case is extrodinary enough to merit the media attention, I mean - she was kept a prisoner of this pervert for 9 years before finally escaping.
    • dkcronin184, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Holy ***** dude, read the story before you post your dumbass crap. What a dumb ***** for brains.
    • Apocalyptk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@felchdonkey
      I live in Memphis and we hear about missing black kids. It's really depends on who is running the stations and the majority population in your area.
    • billyboobs34, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8The only problem with missing black girls is that they all look alike...


      ...I'm kidding
    • TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2"The only problem with missing black girls is that they all look alike...


      ...I'm kidding"

      lmao your sick
  • ArcusOfSV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+55"t would be difficult "to transmit the data to a modern computer without loss."

    WTF are these idiots talking about? These people are running the country? Oh god we are doomed.

    ZModem you idiots!!!

    • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16How about Kermit? One transfer manager to rule them all...
    • PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Uh, we are talking about a modern police department here aren't we? You actually believe that they have officers that have little more than a basic understanding of how to use a free AOL CD? They probably think all the data is going to be hosed because they *can't* hook it up to AOL.

      They'd be better off asking the CCC to help them out if they were really serious about getting data off this thing.
    • JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Serial Cable in Null modem at 300bps.

      Would it work?

      -JimXugle (wasn't around when people were buying machines to replace the machines that the replaced their C64s with)
    • timta2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yes, it would work. I used to transfer files from my C64 to my Mac all of the time. I think I used to transfer via X-Modem using terminal programs on the two (CCGMS on the C64 and Z-Term on the Mac).
  • jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -28/+5I used one in high school. I called it my Commode-door-64.
    • NiteTrip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I remember a picture demo on the Atari with a picture of a toilet with a C64 logo on the seat that said commode 64..

      Good times
  • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35Obsolete? It's a f*cking commodore 64, a computer with a following still that's probably as big as apples. :P Now, if he were using the enigma machine...
    • Kingconsulting, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6Well Pcworld didn't think the C64 was in the top 25 computers of all time so that one must be the only one in existence....
    • PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If he were using the Enigma machine they'd have to call the folks over at Bletchley Park to help them out.
  • MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25So how long till some dumbass reporter tries to link C64 use to slavery?
    • kedohmen, on 10/12/2007, -12/+18The Bush White House is already working on that angle, and trying to connect C64's with Terrorists and Iraq's WMDs........Film at 11.
    • Arancaytar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Well, OBVIOUSLY people who use old technology are still living in the past, ie are anachronistic and unwilling to accept modern concepts like the abolishment of slavery. Doesn't make sense?

      Didn't think so.
  • dagooh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Probably he just had it to play games, I doubt that the police will get anything important from that computer...
    • nj10ii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I got my C64 to boot a couple of years ago, started up some of my old games.

      The amount of time it took to load the game off the disk, ..... Wowwww! Even if I used the turbo loader....

      The ultimate game for the C64 was Elite.
  • sneed, on 10/12/2007, -21/+11Wow, for once slashdot beat digg to the punch...http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/05/2028258
    • blobdole, on 10/12/2007, -2/+47By definition, someone always beats Digg to the punch.
    • Americruzan0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43Dont say the "s" word around here. It upsets the trolls
    • duketime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Of course slashdot beat digg on this story, this is their technology!

      If they found a PSP with Linux installed it'd be a whole different story.
    • mrFREEZE, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Of course slashdot beat digg on this story, they caught one of their c64-pedophile-kidnapper network members. They even have their own IRC channel. >:D
  • vegasbright, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Next we'll be privy to his 8 track collection
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hey,I've got an 8-track!
      only cassette left is Perry Como... :|
  • wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37What do they figure he has on it? Incriminating evidence? The ***** turned himself into roadkill (railkill?) by throwing himself in front of a train. He did it. He saved the government the trouble of a trial and keeping him in jail for the rest of his life. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.
    • timmarhy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26exactly my sentiments. good riddance to that piece of *****, and if there's a hell i'm sure he's got satan stuffing pineapples up his arse.
    • Arancaytar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20They have witness statements indicating that he may have had an accomplice.
    • nydan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25ASCII child porn.
    • JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17@timmarhy

      Hopefully, they ran out of pineapples and have moved on to the emergency cactus supply.
    • dallen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8as someone said - accomplice, or maybe evidence of other crimes (If he had other girls locked away somewhere, it would be nice to know where)
    • timmarhy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9i guess it would be worth investigating to see if he had help or was part of a kiddy porn ring.
      those sick freaks are very well organised by the sound of it. i can see it now, 100's of pedo's all standardising on c64's because they know police are too dumb to use it if it's not windows based.
  • Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19I still have 6 working Commodores. 3 C=64's, 2 128's and a 128D.

    No sex slaves though. They never released those for the C= in the states .
  • Killroy1971, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Someone will show up with a null modem cable and software to translate the C64 code to something a modern PC can read.

    Or the could just find an old dot matrix printer and make hard copies of everything!

    Where there's a will, there's a way!
    • JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hey... I have an Dot matrix printer in my basement!

      No sex slaves though.
    • alexonix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18my situation is quite the opposite...
    • nj10ii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1why is alexonix being dug up??

      He's implying he doesn't have a dotmatrix printer but does have a sex slave.

      really funny, good one..... sic
  • Slipdisc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18"difficult to transmit the data to a modern computer without loss"

    wha?
    Right real difficult. A null modem cable + ~20 keystrokes = a perfect digital copy.

    Somebody please get these guys a pop-tart or something.
    • wargod18, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3I have an old dot matrix printer its my dads from college. i also have an old Geos computer, its still runs but i have no sex slaves. Something must be wrong.
    • alteeffour, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think what their referring to is the way that they usually recover data is from an image so that they don't have to tough the original and risk losing the data.
    • DiggidtyDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Did someone say pop-tart?
    • sofa0ne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Forensic process doesn’t allow you to just jump on any ol’computer and start clackin’ away at it to get data. It has to be done so none of the data will be compromised and so that the defendant can’t claim data was placed on the computer or on a disk.
      They normally use special equipment and computers that are set up so they can not be accused of compromising the data or the system and planting evidence etc, and since most investigations don’t involve an C64’s it does complicate things but certainly doesn’t stop them. Honestly it’s just a small speed bump that the media is turning into a huge obstacle.

  • Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20complicate the investigation?

    Here ya go:

    Load "$", 8
    List


    Case cracked.
  • zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The investigation is probably run by morons who think every PC is a Windows PC.
    • JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7like the TSA searching people's computers for ch1ld p0rn?

      sudo rm /etc/rc.2/*xorg* && init 6

      no gui = no ability to find anything.
    • nj10ii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe someone from tialand will confess, and the morons running the investigation will fly him back to the US and give him his 15 minutes of fame, before discounting him...

      The only good thing to come from that, is the US had to for at least a moment consider that JonBennet' parents may not have had anything to do with it...
  • fsjonsey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Null modem cable----$8
    Government funds for digital forensics-----$1000

    Archiving a disturbed mans homemade ASCII porn collection:

    Priceless
  • cogitocogito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2110 x=0
    20 poke 53281,x
    30 x=x+1
    40 if x=16 then x=0
    50 goto 20

    Bask in the colors!!!!!
  • fsjonsey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i thought that the c64 was still one of the most prevalent computers used in te world. Some developing countries still use them in the government.
  • blaket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just be thankful he wasn't totally crazy and used a Vic-20. Austria's IT would grind to a halt trying to figure that one out.
  • NoSuchAgency, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"What do they hope to find"? I imagine they want to see if this guy was in cahoots with any others, and make sure that he doesn't have any more kidnapped kids hidden somewhere (hence their probing his back yard for spider holes). There was a sad case in Europe a while back of a pedophile who went to jail for a couple of years and two girls trapped in his basement starved to death.
    • mrFREEZE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25What, do they think they'll find an ASCII map or something?


      -[||||fence||||||]-------------------[|||||||||fence|||||||||||||]---------------------------
      -----------------___field____-------------------[__house__]--------

      other kids are here----------------->............X...................
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      [barnyard]------------------------------------------------------------------------
  • Noloco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I still use mine for games. :D This guy was pathetic. I hate people like this. I'm glad the train got him....Sadly though it was to quick a death..He needed to suffer. Not even the idiots in the system would of allowed that..He would of been free. Eating his meals paid by the people of that area of the world. As well as a place to sleep,etc. Pathetic it is.



    As far as the story..It covered that he had a C64 It didn't cover what he would hold on there that would have any evidence of any kind..Didn't really go into details as to what they was looking for.


    I'm very glad she is free. Sadly she will never have a life of good memories.
    • NoSuchAgency, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Sadly she will never have a life of good memories."

      Except what she makes from now on. You would be amazed at what people can survive.
  • Neorio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The C64 is the bestselling home computer to date in number of units sold. While I doubt the fact that they will find any porn on his disks (desipte the fact that the C64 has the ability to view JPEGs in a VERY fuzzy format), there are software tools out there to convert PETSCII to ASCII.
    There could be some technical hiccups if he managed to save his text data in GEOS on CMD hardware (such as a hard drive), but even these can be extracted with the right software and A LOT of free time. No decent encryption program really exists for obfuscating data on the C64, so my guess is that as long as they find the right person and the right hardware, they'll manage to pry all the information from the system.

    As for data loss.... well, those 5.25" floppies were never really reliable.
    • KUKBAHLAM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12No Sir! The old school 5.25 disks were awesome. My Elephants and Verbatims are still readable after 20+ years.
    • chevyorange, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even my generic discs with the write protect notched out to use the flipside are still good.

      Anyone remember "The Castles of Dr. Creep"?
    • KUKBAHLAM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4More of a M.U.L.E. person.
    • NiteTrip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2M.U.L.E. Rocked!
  • dbuttry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Maybe they will find some ASCII porn!
  • 16777216, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3I'm going to get modded down for this but..... WHO GIVES A *****?

    Why is this important? a child is held captive for years raped repeatedly and finally gets free as an adult and now here is a story about he uses a C64!?? Ooh, the nasty bastard don't even use A-tel or in-MD processors he can't even run Winux or lindows the horrors.

    WHO GIVES A *****?
    • billyboobs34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It might contain his super secret pedo diary...
  • futaris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Commodore 64's have been around forever Prehistoric africans have even carved wooden idols. http://forum.419eater.com/john_boko.htm
  • feelingfunky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, if he has any info like a diary or info on other pedo's, than this is important. It is also important to point out that the tards at the police don't know what they are doing.... 'data loss?' um.. I have a bunch of 5, 1/4 disks lying around that I used to use (I think Maniac Mansion, Paperboy, Paperclip & Aliens) that are probably bad now... but that is because I haven't used them since 1987!!! anything used in the past decade should still be good, and any sort of digital transfer shouldn't involve data loss. 1:1 digital copies anyone? Plus they could just USE THE F!ing computer and write down (print out) what he wrote. Perhaps they need an expert.... Google is available for hire right? Most of those people (94 at the moment) could lend a hand.. jeez. I wish they would just do a bit of work and seek out those who can help; WE need to stop these pervs.
  • brindon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is easy to connect a C64 to a modern computer. It is easy to transfer the data. All that may need to be written is a file importer, which could be assigned to the local university for a "Intro to Computer Science" type class. I don't see how any of this should confound investigators.
  • charlietuna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Bill Shatner could set them straight!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFx7uDWt-UY

    I AM KORAK!
  • grat2001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I 1st learn to hack and phreak on my C64, later I stepped up to a C128! Ahhh, the good old days with BBS's!
    • Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I actually had a Vic-20 long before I got my 64. Seeing that commercial brought back good memories, especially the Omega Race game which I played for countless hours on it.

      Now back on subject, I have to admit that creep has great taste in computers. The C=64 in my opinion was the greatest computer ever made!
    • grat2001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I remember having to load Pole Position off the tape drive when I first got it, that took 15 minutes!

      The C=64 and Apple IIc were two of the greatest computer in history.
  • scarwars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this guy made his c64 into a bbs and put it on net.. http://home.ica.net/~leifb/bbs/
  • kayjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wow, the article makes it seem like they need an archaelogist. roflmao.
    last time i checked the police ITSELF used obsolete computers.
    hmmm, maybe they should talk to some teachers...
    most pcs in schools still have 5.25' floppies....
  • Wasyu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You got to be kidding they can't translate that these guys are a real CSI aren't they?
    All you need is vice an emulator,an old commodore drive you can get that off ebay and an X1542 cable.
    Heck I have a working C128 and move data betrween it and a modern computer all the time.
  • clevergeezer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was always suspicious of Commodore users. I had a ZX Spectrum 48K, which never did me any harm. Honest, Guv!
  • Trogdor420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I happen to be the proud owner of an original vanilla C-64 and the slightly sexier 64C. In addition to that I have two 1541 drives, a Commodore 64 monitor and TONS of floppies that still work to this day. I call shenanigans on this story!! I used to play Frisbee with these very same floppies 20+ years ago and I can still get my Impossible Mission fix any time I please.

    "Another visitor.... Stay a while...... STAY FOREVER!!!!!!"""

    or who could forget?

    "Get him my robots!!!"

    or the every popular...

    "Arrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" (falling down elevator shaft)
    • user98887, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That is awesome,
      I played that game so much, took 20 minutes to load via tape.
      Got through it many times - artichoke
      still play it every now and again using VICE
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