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- bootfail, on 10/10/2007, -10/+58God damn you're anal.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+34They don't make "IDE" drives. "IDE" is a trademark of Western Digital. Seagata makes ATA drives. Specifically, PATA (parallel ATA) drives.
Yes, IDE and ATA are two different names for very similar things. Which is why saying Seagate is going to stop making "IDE" drives would imply to many people that they are going to stop making all ATA drives, including SATA. - pfwd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Glad to see someone is finally moving on to better hardware tech. Good for Seagate
- fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16I'm sure receiving it is more annoying.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -7/+18Anal, but he is right.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12I was thinking "What? SCSI's back?"
- aussieNickuss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Are you that lazy that you can't type out the word "manufacturers"?
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7It doesn't decrease performance. Just make sure to install the drivers for your SATA controller or it won't reach maximum speed no matter how you configure your BIOS.
- Rukaribe, on 10/10/2007, -7/+14New record! Apple is mentioned in the second comment!!! Grats Digg! You are pathetic!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7About time. Its already a pain to use them with most mobo makers only including one IDE socket on all new motherboards. However they really should include more than the standard 4 SATA sockets, 8 would be a more practical number.
- evil-doer, on 10/10/2007, -20/+24"IDE" drives havent been produced for many many years. EIDE which came after started in 1996. this article really should state "Parallel ATA".
heres a timeline of the ATA standards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment#ATA_standards_versions.2C_transfer_rates.2C_and_features - JernejL, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4IT DOES say PATA in the article, it only says IDE in the story title on digg.
- quantumd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'd say about 35% of the boards made now have 6 or 8 sockets.
- Rotzooi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5"The Man" wants you to upgrade. So you upgrade.
- RealmDown, on 10/22/2007, -2/+6I'm waiting for the NEXT Generation drive -- the SATA-N
Cost per GB is suppose to be under 1.5 sacrificial chickens - wiifm69, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I'd say I'd believe 75% of your comment
- FunkyPits, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Actually I do some free lance computer work on the side of my real job and let me tell you a very, very large portion of people are still using IDE. And might I also recommend the story on the front page about proof reading. You might find it enlightening.
- sacherjj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That is the only thing I hate about SATA. My main video editing machine is mostly SATA now. I replaced the video card recently. Even as careful as I could be, I unplugged two of the 6 drives. Both of them SATA. Didn't notice it for a while, because they were media drives. I'd love some type of locking clip and release mechanism.
- theblacknight, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's better hardware, but they can't just stop making yesterday's tomorrow. How can they really stop making them if my PATA drives are still under warranty? If my PATA drive breaks, they darn well better replace it with either another PATA drive, because a SATA drive is useless to me as my motherboard is 5 years old and has no SATA ports but I've added drives in the past couple years with 5-year warranties. The same goes for all those people still buying PATA drives for old computers.
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Oh, my poor Steve, my IDE cable boyfriend. Going to be left all alone with no IDE buddies. :(
- RNEMESiS42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2My IDE DVD burner (only two years old) decided to go kaputt on me, so I bought one that was faster and cheaper, AND it was SATA. SATA is pretty nice...
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4My last two PCs had 8 SATA connectors. I never use even 4, despite having a SATA optical drive (how many people can say that?).
- zhulien, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4they are going to stop making drives with Integrated Drive Electronics?
- EvilFerret, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Chickens cost a hell of a lot less than processed chicken meat.
- cquinnd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't think it said they were going to produce ONLY SATA interface drives. I see them continuing to make SCSI drives as that is a large part of thier enterprise market.
Keep in mind there is a new standard called Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) that uses the same connector as SATA. - hybridcreation, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Ahhh...the sweet sound of progress. Every drive in my case is SATA.
- headzoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Haha.. You're such a freak. :)
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The buzz seems to be that those will be replaced by ethernet based drives in a few years. I'm not talking about network drive arrays but hard drives that use ethernet hardware and cabling for low level transport.
- VeganG, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What are you people doing, that 4 isn't enough?
- dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It makes sense if Ethernet is really moving to a 40Gb/100Gb standard. That's more theoretical bandwidth than I suspect any local bus out right now can handle anyway. It's time to come up with something better than RJ-45 though. It's far less sexy than SATA with it's thin flat cables.
- Wyzard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have two SATA DVD burners made by Lite-On, and both work fine. Software support might be lacking (older BIOSes and/or drivers support them poorly or not at all), but the drive itself should work just as well as the PATA version of the same model.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, less than 10% of the optical drives on the market are SATA. They're so oddball, even the oddballs at Apple don't use them! They still use PATA! My company has bought at least 50 new computers this year and none of them (I've seen inside every model, but not every config) has a PATA optical drive.
There are some good drives though just coming out. - Wyzard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Current versions of Windows XP and Linux, and presumably OSX too, support ATAPI over SATA just fine. Recent BIOSes should support it (for CD booting) too. And SATA optical drives are readily available.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, XP don't support SATA out of the box. It needs special drivers.
- hybridcreation, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I've had my SATA Plextor for over 2 years without a single problem.
So to answer your question...at least 2 years ago. - SVPirate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Good riddance, IDE/ATA performance never could match SCSI, and now it can't match SATA either. The master/slave device cabling is really nasty, bith from a performance and a physical fitment POV. The only reason it became so prominent was that it was cheap. Cheap and Nasty. I bought a SATA mobo and drive as soon as they became available in the UK in 2003 and have run it where ever I can ever since. Any older desktop machines I need performance from usually get a 2940UW and a couple of SCSI drives dropped in.
- speedray, on 10/17/2007, -0/+1Seagate is taking a big step in the right direction, its just what you expect from a market leader that sets out the path for others to follow
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The new thing in SCSI is Serial Attached SCSI. It's basically SCSI over SATA cables, probably just making it ATAPI.
I doubt SCSI will be abandoned, it'll just move to yet another new connector. - SVPirate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That'd be why the Mac Pro and MacBook Pro have no E-SATA ports then right?
That'd be why the AppleTV still uses PATA?
That'd be why the Mac Pro still uses ATAPI/ATA Optical drives, despite having 2 spare SATA headers for SATA drives?
Apple aren't any better than the rest of the industry - they use all the same reference hardware everyone else does... Moreover until they switched to Intel their stuff was constantly a year or two behind the rest of the industry. - Wyzard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1They do exist. My motherboard (Abit AB9 Pro) came with a set of SATA cables that have a metal clip on each plug, that must be pressed down with the thumb to unplug the cable. They probably wouldn't withstand a strong yank, but they do prevent accidentally knocking a cable loose.
- theblacknight, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why does the fact that they make PATA drives make your life a pain? Just get the SATA ones.
- sacherjj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Just repaired two systems that required ordering new IDE drives. There will be demand for the useful life of current systems using IDE. I expect to need them for another 5 years, minimum. However, it is stupid to get new IDE drives, if you have a choice, unless the price is way better or you have to be compatible.
- dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Woohoo! This will cut back on the frustration of waiting week after week for Fry's to put the right size SATA II drive on sale, as opposed to the alternating IDE drives.
For those who don't know, Fry's undercuts Newegg by a significant amount each week on at least two Seagate hard drive deals and almost as frequently do they sell Maxtors at a steep discount. The week of the 4th, I got 4 Seagate 400GB SATA II drives for $89 each. They are selling 500GB SATAII Seagates for $104.99 right now. http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4697788 - sacherjj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Anyone who purchased a new computer this year that also contained an optical drive? I've got 4 computers with optical SATA drives, two of them with two. I wish my MB has 8 SATA connectors. I'm trying to add 4 more SATA drives to a computer and need two more PCI cards to do it (even at a reduced speed).
- sacherjj, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Wow, that is expensive:
1.5 chicken/GB * 3 lbs meat/chicken * $2/lb = $9/Gb
Forget that. - HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Buy a Samsung SH-183A. It's sata. And it works great. I use a Lite-On, but the Samsung is better.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I literally had a case that had at least 6 EIDE drives and the cabling was so bulky, restricted airflow, and I always had to find ways to squeeze the cables through more cables. SATA is better, but it isn't perfect. SATA cables come off really easily. I had to trade a front flash card reader for a far better graphics card (the cable was tight and ran over the only PCIe slot) and I pulled out an sata by mistake by wiggling the cable just a little.
- CopyNinja, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Finally! Im building a system for a family tomorrow with all SATA devices, no jumpers and no bulky cables!
- srodolff, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, I guess that means I need to get off my keester and buy a Seagate PATA drive for my ReplayTV DVR before they run out.
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