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- pHr34kY, on 10/12/2007, -3/+162I'd want one, but I'll end up waiting about 10 years for the price to drop, and by then there will be something better out, so I'll wait for that to drop,
That probably explains why I'm still running a CRT. - PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -4/+70@phreaky:
whether it's cars, computers, or guitars.....it's the story of my life. - theNazz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+59It's like, how much more black could it be, and the answer is none.
None more black. - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39You're telling me black has finally approached infinity? Now none of us will go back...
- unpluggedboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26It's not kicking anything's arse before the prices are set.
- hootpie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Sounds like it wasn't properly calibrated. My ISF calibrated plasma looks MUCH better than any LCD I've seen.
- hootpie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22>>wake me up when they cost signifigantly less than lcd and have at least the same lifespan. there's plenty of display >>techs that have similar features to this (SED, OLED, etc...) but always seem to have some killer flaw (dot pitch, cost, >>lifespan).
My gf just bought a 37" Panasonic plasma for $899 from Costco. A 37" Sharp Aquos would have cost her $1299. The Panasonic blows the Aquos away in every aspect.
Taken from: http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-lifespan.html
"In fact, many plasma manufacturers boast a life span of 60,000 hours to half life!"
That's - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -10/+27wake me up when they cost signifigantly less than lcd and have at least the same lifespan. there's plenty of display techs that have similar features to this (SED, OLED, etc...) but always seem to have some killer flaw (dot pitch, cost, lifespan).
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18WTF? Plasmas have by far the best black levels (contrast) of all the other new TV technologies. They also have the most natural color reproduction and instant response times.
- Hipple, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"Without any sacrifice in brightness, according to our sources."
That is not a complete sentence. Not even close. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19
Too little too late.... SAMSUNG will ship their firlst LCD with precisely controlled LED backlight, this summer... The new LED technology will enable SAMSUNG LCD panels to achieve 50.000:1 contrast ratio...
sorry plasma ..... - Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Plasma burn-in is a myth from the very first generation plasma tvs. It hasn't been a problem for some time now. I even have a commercial panel (designed for storefronts to perpetually show the same exact thing), and there's all sorts of built-in screensaving features if you're really that worried about it.
- tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Since when haven't Plasmas owned LCDs? Every time I watch a movie on an LCD I hate it compared to my 50 inch plasma. The black levels (can't even call it black it just dark grey) are horrible compared to plasmas and crts.
LCDs are probably going to win out, and I'm sure they might get as good as Plasmas and other technology, but for movie watching Plasmas > LCDs. - mustard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I just wish people would stop with the:
-Plasmas burn in, lols
-LCDs Blurring motion, lols
-Plasmas blurry stills, lols
-LCDs have crappy blacks, lols
Personal bias is a given, especially here. But I can almost guarantee nobody here has a 40" LCD *and* a 40" plasma from the same age/quality bracket. If you judge by what you see in the shops, kill yourself. the 'shop' settings are atrocious, and mainly set up like that to be brighter/more colourful than the 30 other screens they will be displayed next to.
Once you have your new screen at home, and know how to set it up properly, it will look excellent. This goes for *all* mid-high end screens, LCD and plasma especially.
The only true things I've seen amongst these comments is that most LCD's are per-pixel and don't overscan, so will be better for plugging your laptop/HTPC into.
The amount of hackneyed badmouthing and comparisons of the technology from 5-6 years ago is almost unbelievable. But this is Digg, after all. They should have a seperate comments section for children, and retarded shills. - hootpie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Interesting...I got cut off. As I was saying--
Taken from: http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-lifespan.html
"In fact, many plasma manufacturers boast a life span of 60,000 hours to half life!"
That's a little less than 7 years of 24/7 viewing. A little less than 14 years if you watch 12 hours a day every day. Almost 27.5 years if you watch 6 hours a day. I don't know about you, but I watch less than 6 hours of TV a day and don't plan on keeping my TV for 30+ years.
And it's funny that you talk about poor lifespan and mention OLED, which IIRC is < 5000 hours.
I should also note that plasma color reproduction and contrast ratios blow LCDs/DLPs out of the water. - BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@ infinitenothing:
I would imagine that the reason for your mistaken impressions about plasma is the fact that most store display models have the brightness cracked way up and have the picture set to "vivid". The stores do it to compensate for the really bright floor lights. Plasma does tend to look bad until you properly calibrate it. - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"Holy ... at those prices, they won't be competing with the much less expensive LCD sets you can find now. It's kinda strange that LCD is now cheaper then plasma?"
...no, it's because it's Pioneer. They're not some second rate *****. I'm not one for branding, but pretty much everything made by Pioneer is built to perfection (well for the time it was released). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16I've got a 7th Generation Pioneer, bought it over the christmas period and it's still got that wow factor, it is really well built, the colours are incredible particularly on HD images, no complaints at all.....bit expensive but I got it online so saved 33% off the cost in a showroom.
My point it my eyesight isn't the best in the world but i'm not blind and as a consumer i'm really happy with the TV so when people write that "Plasma is a fad" and "Plazma sucks" I can't relate sorry. - mustard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10IceZZ, there isn't a 720i, the only 'i' resolutions are 480i and 1080i.
Also 1024*768 is a 4:3 monitor resolution. From the 90's. - arthritisankle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9My TV goes to 11.
- afwjam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11LCD has horrible response rates, lets talk motion blur. My pioneer doesent overscan, I have a 1 to 1 connection with my HTPC. I would say that for computers LCD works great, my macbook pro has an LCD, It looks great! I even have an LCD on my back porch, looks good. westy 37 is a great bang for your buck. But when it comes to a home cinima display or anything high def, the plasma wastes the LCD. Plasma is like lookthrough a window, where LCD is like looking at a picture of something.
- AragornII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Those hours numbers are to plasmas Half Life, or when the TV will be half as bright as it o0riginally was when it came out of the box. It doesn't mean it will instantly die at 60,000 hours...it could run for many more yeras beyond that, just like the old trusty CRT
- protocolor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9unpluggedboy:
The Pioneer-branded XGA and WXGA sets will be available in June:
Pioneer 42" XGA PDP-4280HD - $2,700
Pioneer 50" WXGA PDP-5080HD - $3,500
The Elite-branded XGA and WXGA sets will be available in July:
Elite 42" XGA PRO-950HD - $3,200
Elite 50" WXGA PRO-1150HD - $4,500
All 1080p sets will be available in September:
Pioneer 50" PDP-5010FD - $5,000
Pioneer 60" PDP-6010FD - $6,500
Elite 50" PRO-110FD - $6,000
Elite 60" PRO-150FD - $7,500
from http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/exclusive/pricing-and-details-of-pioneers-new-plasmas-258837.php - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm glad the contrast ratio is improved so much.
BUT...
Plasmas are like George Bush. They use too much power.
also they generate to much heat. - imjustsayin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I agree completely. LCD has yet to reach the same picture quality of plasma.
@CatsAreGods
You greatly exaggerate the risk of burn in. I watch TV and game for hours on my plasma and have never had even a hint of burn in/image retention. Quality plasma brands have made burn in basically a non-issue. - JackAxe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11And now for the truth: The majority of content, since it's SD, looks like CRAP on HDTVs.
- smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14It says the lower end 42 inch model has a 1,024 x 768 resolution. That's not even 720P. Am I missing something here? Why do all the supposed "bad ass" plasma screens have resolutions lower than the HDTV standard specs?
- inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Plasma burn in IS NOT A ***** myth, another fanboy who bought a cheep plasma and thinks it's obviously better than LCD or LCoS because he "has it".
The 60 plasma in my bedroom has a burned in IMAGE from the CBS logo!! It's only 8 months old. My neighbor has burns on his tv. There are a wide RANGE OF PLASMA burn in issues, a simple google call you a liar.
On the other hand LCoS is said to be 100% burn proof. It is said that the same image for 4 years would ghost but turning off the set and back on would fix it.
LCoS is burn-proof, PLASMA is toast, not to mention bad for the environment with 20x more mercury than LCDs. - khyberkitsune, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Won't matter anyways when SED or OLED comes out. 100,000:1 contrast without extra filters or anything, making production cheaper overall.
I'm actually going SED when it does come out. Those pixels are far smaller than any LCD pixel made right now. - afwjam, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12funny, not an issue on my current pioneer plasma. But I am sure the mythical burn in has gotton worse with the latest generation.
- capecodcarl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Is that $899 37" Plasma TV from Costco 720P or 1080P? The trouble with plasma TVs are that I can't find any true 1080P TVs that are affordable whereas nearly all the LCD TVs are 1080P native now and cost around the same as a 720P plasma display. There's no way in hell I'm going to spend several thousand dollars on a Plasma TV that is already obsolete by not supporting the 1080P format.
- afwjam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7right.....
- afwjam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7the power cunsumption is in line with a CRT, as is the image. If your paying 3000 for a TV, who care is it costs 20 bucks a year to power it. They are HOT, gets warm in my tiny 10 by 10 TV room with my 50 inch pio. The second you say clayface, is the second I tell you to stop watching panasonic plasmas on the vivid torch mode.(like they are in the store)
- sexycommando, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm confused, how exactly is this an LCD-killer? I thought Plasmas always had deeper blacks and better contrast ratios than LCDs. LCDs are supposed to have higher resolution, no overscan, and faster response rates.
And even if this does come out and it does prove to be economically feasible to mass produce at affordable prices, I will still get an LCD because I want to hook up an HTPC to my TV with high resolution (1080p). - InfiniteNothing, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13It's totally personal taste but plasma never looked natural to me. The greens a bit to emerald, the reds too cartoony, dark colors looking like dim bright colors... etc
- hootpie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You're right, LCD manufacturers and their "dynamic" contrast ratios are much, much better.
We went from a 50" LCD TV to a 50" plasma, which gets MORE viewing time and the difference in our electricity bill was ~$10. I wouldn't consider that "ridiculous power consumption." Do you live in a closet because the heat from my plasma has never been an issue. The only time I notice it is if I have my hand near the vents. Poor skintone reproduction and all of other stuff you mentioned is probably due to poor or no calibration.
I've had CRT's, DLP's and LCD's and when properly calibrated, the plasma is head and shoulders above the others.
The only LCD-type technology I'll go with after this is OLEDs and that's if they fix the lifespan issues. - Sepeteus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'll just wait for carbon nanotube displays before I replace my CRTs.
- bbiggs32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm sorry, there's nothing to kill.
No LCD has ever looked as good as Pioneer's 7 generation plasmas.
Best Buy and the other turds have convinced people that "brighter is better." - boardingrhino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I sell these things and I get asked the same question every day, "should I get a plasma or an LCD?" They are both great sets and there are some major advantages to each. The plasma display will give you the most accurate contrast ratios, and the best color (~30 billion colors.) The LCD display does not have a piece of glass on the front of it, is brighter, and some run at a higher resolution (1080p.) Which one is better? The answer to that depends on what type of room you have. If you live by the beach with some huge windows, that will let direct sunlight in the vicinity of the television at most of the times that you want to be watching it, the plasma would be a terrible idea. Sure, you could always lower the blinds when you are watching TV, but who wants to go to that trouble to watch CNN for a few minutes in the morning. If on the other hand, you have a living room with one sliding glass door that goes into a shady back yard (like I do), a quality plasma is by far the best option.
When it comes to LCD displays, the best by far (at the average Joe consumer level) is the Sony XBR series. The XBR2 and the XBR3 are almost indistinguishable from each other. You can spend $1500 less on the 2 and then use the extra money you saved to buy a snap on black bezel to make it black, and a blu-ray dvd player.
When it comes to Plasma displays, Pioneers are superb, however the Samsungs and the latest LG televisions are also very good (when I show them to customers, they often can't tell the difference between the three) and come in at a much lower price point. The LG and Samsung products also offer a pixel shifting technology that more or less eliminate burn it, as well as a white wash feature that will get rid of burn in should some occur. These features make these televisions much more consumer friendly. On the other hand, the Pioneers are hand built in Japan and statistically have fewer defective units.
I have a darker room with a LG 42 inch plasma, a PS3 for blu-ray, and a Denon receiver with Polk Speakers. It is great system that I always recommend to my customers because the entire thing can be had for around the same price as a Pioneer 50 inch.
Hope this helps - afwjam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7The resolution issue is just a big crock, after about 7 feet you can't tell the diffrence. I am looking forward to one of these new pioneers, I will save my money and go for the 768P 50 inch. LCD is a joke for a true home theater enthusiast, grey blacks and blurred motion. Nothing POP'S like a plasma. CRT is still superior in everything but form factor. OLED and SED are vapor until proven otherwise. I hope that they handle 24P like the previous generation, not a fan of judder. One of these plus my XA2 will equal motion picture bliss.
- wicketr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dildoorielly,
You have it backwards. Plasmas blow LCDs out the water when it comes to response times of pixels. Oh and the refresh rate is the same on both LCD and Plasma. 50-60Hz.
Go here: http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/lcd-response-time.html - qwertydvorak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@hootpie: "That's a little less than 7 years of 24/7 viewing. A little less than 14 years if you watch 12 hours a day every day. Almost 27.5 years if you watch 6 hours a day. I don't know about you, but I watch less than 6 hours of TV a day and don't plan on keeping my TV for 30+ years."
my poor old RCA 31" is a 1995 model, runs constantly in the background and while sleeping. it is still humming along. that is 12 years of good times. it was only $600 back then. - Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5That's what you get for buying a cheap product. I guarantee a Panasonic or Pioneer plasma panel will not burn in. Do you ever go to the mall? Tons of stores have plasmas showing almost static content everyday for 12 hours, no burn-in at all. You probably had the brightness and saturation maxed out as well, also bad for the panel.
That said, your cheap panel can be fixed with a simple whitebar wipe pattern being displayed for a few hours, you can get it on dvd or download a clip online, it'll be good as new. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -1/+3OLEDs are the killer gear here. Plasma's dead, Jim. No thinly veiled shill article is going to change that.
PS LCDs are running at 2ms now, no refresh/motion blurring problems AT ALL, even though current models still don't do black for *****. :) - SteveMax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a 4:3 resolution with "elongated" pixels. The onboard processor will adjust the actual 720p image to fit it. This is an extra level of post-processing, and it means you lose some (vertical) detail. And yes, a true 1280x720 panel will give you better image.
- doit3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@boardingrhino
FYI, the better Sony LCD's are using Samsung panels. I was informed of this by a technician who services both Sony & Samsung products. Sony bought them for their tech and production capability (better LCD's than Sony could produce). So my question is, why would I buy a Sony knowing I'm getting a Samsung product? The Samsung brand is cheaper and just as good IMHO. I'm not going to pay extra for just a name. - datalife, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3and top of the line products today are out of date... time to consume
- julielacombe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is going to be insanely expensive at first.. and then, the OLED displays are going to be there..
I just got my hands on a Samsung LN-T3242H 32″ LCD Display. This LCD definitely has some great deep blacks and bright whites (7000:1 contrast ratio) and can be had for something like $830.. which is very affordable!
http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/04/26/product-review-samsung-ln-t3242h-32-lcd-tv-set/ - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7The first rule about sentences is that a writer anywhere above proficient usually breaks the rules about sentences. Of course, it has to be appropriate for the audience.
- standsolid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@PATSCRU
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