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- shinynew, on 10/10/2007, -4/+37"A full-sized ATX motherboard is 12″ x 9.6″ (305mm x 244mm) and Mini-ITX is 17cm x 17xcm, which makes it much smaller than the average system."
no *****. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+263.0 Ghz quad core with 1 terabyte of storage and 4Gb RAM at 1777Mhz all in a wrist watch that lasts a whole week without charge.
It'd Be Turbo-Awesome. - tippmann1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24it would give the hamster something to do...
- serend, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24use adblock + firefox
- Professr, on 10/10/2007, -5/+17but it still wouldn't meet the requirements for the version of windows out then.
- Blah_Blah_Blah, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14wow that's pretty amazing. makes you wonder how much they'll be able to do with mobos 5 years from now.
- directedition, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I wouldn't mind having a computer I could throw into my backpack without using much space.
- kevinmotel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10you mean gerbil
lemmiwinks ftw! - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Ads? I see no ads, OH! You must not have adblock, well my friend better get on that lol.
- Guspaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Routers. The Linksys WRT54G series (and some of their more powerful routers) have been extremely popular for their flexibility. They run (or can run) Linux, so a myriad of very powerful custom firmwares have popped up that do all sorts of things. However, they're still limited. While I managed to find one new for $50 CAD once, they have only (typically) 16MB of memory and 4MB of flash (for storage).
While they've been able to cram amazing things into 16MB of memory and 4MB of storage, it's still extremely limited... and the 200MHz MIPS processor isn't exactly a speed demon.
For example, the dd-wrt firmware has to resort to busybox for the GNU toolset. There isn't even enough room for a proper GNU toolset.
So, imagine what you can do with a pico-itx motherboard. The size means it can fit in a case smaller than a WRT54G (perhaps even into an actual WRT54G case). While it lacks the wireless radio of the WRT54G, it more than makes up for it by having vastly increased processing power, memory, and storage capabilities (a disk-on-module or a CF adapter would permit gigs of storage internally). And there are other ways of getting a wireless radio onto the thing, even if you need to resort to USB via the IO board.
So, imagine how much MORE you can do with that. - Yokohamalion, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8This would be great for case mods say in an NES case or something like that.
- maus56, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Latest from The Onion: Teeny tiny motherboard to be mated with a teeny tiny 10 inch 8800 gtx card
- themastersb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8That would be perfect to mod a NES with
- mushoo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Carputers.
- adamdon89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Cool... BUT Mobile-ITX owns it :P
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xog3NgfYetQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile-ITX - Dokument, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13sweet
- Circuitsoft, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5C3 or C7? The C7 is significantly faster than the C3. I have a customer running Peachtree total accounting with Windows XP on a 1.5Ghz C7, and it is an excellent system for basic office work. Better than the Athlon 1333 that they've had for several years.
- digger1942, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I've built a NES computer with a mini-itx. Maybe I can use this to build a Genesis computer. Woot.
- RocketGib, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12Cute, small, expensive, pointless.
- PueSi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The cool thing is that this only uses like 15W under load.
- compgeek, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8wow that looks amazing. via just keeps getting smaller and smaller while integrating more features. if these are relatively cheap (fat chance) a few of them stuffed in a case would be good for a small cluster or even with only one board a tiny server would be great just grab probably my old motherboard box and throw it in there then just make something for the HD to sit on and voila
- Blah_Blah_Blah, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7adblock plus + firefox + filterset.g
- GrendelT, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5...have you heard of these computers called "laptops" - they're pretty amazing. They've been around since the 80s and getting smaller and smaller all the time.
- Narwaffle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The CPU isn't powerful enough to pull off HD content yet, but these things would be great in a MythTV box.
- Netrilix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3See, some of you choose to use Ad-Block, which is great until you're on someone else's computer some day. Personally, I've been seeing these ads for so many years that I've simply learned to ignore him. Without Ad-Block or any other blocker, I still did not realize there were ads on the page until battleroyalex pointed them out, and even then I had to go back to see for myself. What really confuses me is how I managed to ignore that Verizon ad (over the content of the page) on the first pass.
- victorguttmann, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So theres been a review of this on www.mini-itx.com since June 2nd... hardly the "first look" the subtitle claims.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm an idiot. I meant femto.
- Guspaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You need a separate power supply. They're usually very tiny things, the smallest of them are built right into the ATX-style power plug that plugs into the motherboard.
But since these are all DC to DC power supplies, you need an external brick. This means either something similar to a laptop adaptor, or a wallwart-style thing. - TexanPsycho, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A Maxtor hard drive? Seriously?
- Veejay, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3..or inside an NES cartridge.
- Guspaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well, their testing methodology looks quite flawed. For h.264, they got 24FPS with ffdshow and 1024x768 video (~0.8 megapixels), and 8FPS with ffdshow and 8FPS with 1280x720 (720p, ~0.9 megapixels).
This quite frankly doesn't make any sense. If their first figure is correct, then the board should be more than capable of playing h.264 720p content with CoreAVC. If the second figure is correct, there's no hope in hell.
The benchmarks look like it should be able to decode 720p xvid, although that's fairly rare these days.
In addition, they were close on HD WMV9 (AKA VC-1). They weren't able to get hardware acceleration working, but if they did, it'd probably be able to handle HD in that format.
So, the board should be able to handle HD in 2 out of 3 major formats. I'd be interested to see how CoreAVC performed on 720p content with deblocking disabled, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't hit 24FPS+ needed for realtime playback. - MasterChi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Curious question........Power goes where? I assume to maintain its small size it doesn't use a power supply and can instead be plugged directly into wall? Is that correct because i looked at all pictures and saw nothing clear about power.
- TheOther1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2My Nano board works great as my carputer. GPS, MP3s, wireless, DVD, etc.
- beguiledfoil, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The article mentions that it needs an external powersupply. It also mentions a small powersupply which would be suitable and the fact that there's a "battery holder" which I assume just shorts to its DC input. Here is the powersupply: http://www.xyzcomputing.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=516 it would require an external AC adapter, something like what you would use to charge a cell phone or power an old console (think NES) with.
It would be odd to attach a power supply directly to a mobo, as the power requirements would vary greatly depending on what components were being put to use. - sLydE, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2oh Tom Riddle, how you like to correct others grammar.
- hater2win, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hermoine would be offended
- Deathfrogg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Hm, interesting. Was telling my boss about the smaller mobos that are being developed. Would love to be able to run DNC at every machine with ethernet instead of the damn RS-232 that is notoriously unreliable. Store all the programs for each machine right at the machine without having to dump and load each one as needed. Easier to configure the communications and faster anyway.
Wonder if I could get Debian to run on one of these. - Circuitsoft, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You'd be better off with a Via board. The video chipset supports a much larger overlay so you can run HDTV. You can't on an i945G. I recommend http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex15000g - It has Composite, S-Video, Component, and DVI out, as well as RCA Stereo, Coaxial digital and Optical digital audio. Since that chip does MPEG2 decoding in hardware and accelerates WMV9 decoding, you'll never push the limits of that processor.
- Splitt3rxx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3sounds like a PITA to set up, I will stick with ATX. It's kinda cool that they can make such a tiny mobo though.
- Panda200x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Pico-ITX was reviewed on Mini-ITX.com a while ago :O
- Arobas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This thing is not useless.. Plug it to a battery and you get a powerful mp3 player. Plus, it could be your own personal firewall, a wireless detector, a data collecting system, a spy device, a network analyzer, a media broadcasting system, etc.. etc.. Use your imagination and be a proud geek!
- Guspaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Windows-based routers are not entirely useless. In fact, there are many neat things you can do with a Windows-based network appliance that are quite neat.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Been done. On Attack of the Show they ran a server inserted in a guys butt. They actually were serving up a web page during the show. Butt, (pun intended) I would like to have the first 'folding at home' application run from my anus. Curing cancer one ***** at a time.
- numerous6, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't know if anyone else noticed but the article says "10mm x 7.2mm" which is inaccurate, this is would make the board about the size of a piece of gum. It is more like the size of a pack of gum, 10cm x 7.2cm which is 100mm x 72mm (take a look at the ruler). And just for confirmation's sake here it is straight from the horse's mouth (VIA):
http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/pico-itx/ - Kr4t05, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Aren't you supposed to be dead? Oh... wait, I shouldn't have said that... >>
- GrendelT, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I wish they could go back to fanless designs like they used to have.
The 40-pin ATA ports can be hooked to a compact flash adapter for a solid-state computer. (except for the fan) - TheOther1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You can buy DC-DC PSUs like a Carnetix or Opus. These are mainly for car use.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Who wants to be the first person to run a computer from HIS butt?
- TheOther1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Take a look at EpiaOS.
http://www.epios.net/ - geckofiend, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Small problem. VIa seems to hate Linux. We worked with some of their boards a couple years ago with plans on using them in STBs. Via pretty much said run windows or buzz off.
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