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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Two words: Porn Industry.
- BurtDiggler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Is anyone here willing to be one of the $1000+ guinea pigs on this one?
I already own one beta-max! - beachesandmusic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Sony is a MAJOR PC manufacturer in Japan. They may not be too popular in the US or some other countries, but they're huge in Japan. Most people I know in Japan have Sony VAIO laptops. If Microsoft were to stop licensing to Sony, they would lose a HUGE amount of money. It would almost be the same if they were to stop licensing to Dell in the US. It would be a crazy amount of money.
It's not just Microsoft vs. Sony either. RTFA. Dell is also supporting blu-ray. If Microsoft cuts off companies that support blu-ray, they have to cut off Sony, Dell, and HP.
Microsoft isn't going to stop licensing Windows to anybody, even if it is a competitor. Just like Sony isn't going to stop licensing Windows, even though it helps feed the Xbox360 against the Playstation3.
So don't be ridiculous, mmkay? - implosion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Feels kinda too little if your gone back up you 400 GB disk."
There is no way f...... way. I will not be using some CRAP disk for back-up. I don't care if it is Blu-ray or HD-DVD. You use Hard Drives in RAID to back up your precious data. End of story. - fatcat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11i still dont see how sony and microsoft are fighting about this, if microsoft really wanted to win they could stop sony liscence to distribute windows on their pcs then bang it would be all over untill sony decided to drop blu ray
or MS could force all the pc makers to not use blu ray - drog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Bill Gates has said he doesn't care that much because in the end everything will be distributed online anyway. I know Bill Gates isn't Microsoft, but I thought I would mention it.
- aristotle1990, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@Electrox3
"I hate to say it, but"
No, you don't hate to say it. You love saying it. You relish the idea that your Holy Cause for Matrydom, Apple, will rule the world someday. I hate to say it, but news flash; they won't. - Rescu3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7How are you going to hide all the pimples, rashes, razor burn, bruises, and other skin problems when the video is in high definition? Zero close ups?
Make up and lighting can only do so much. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'll never switch to either. Sorry. I might, just might go one of the routes in terms of blank media. But i'll be damned if i purchase a piece of software, games, music, or movies on these DRM ridden formats.
Flash and magnetic memory all the way, i might use an mp3 player i can mount in my car, 2nd, 3rd and 4th hard-drives if need be, or USB keys.. and of course, CDs.
I still have never once found a real use for my dvd burner. big screen and 5.1 on my computer.. i really don't see the need. - 0siris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No one needs blu ray or hd movies. the only thing wed need them for is the future versions of windows, and office, which will be 200gb
- implosion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"But PC makers will also be vital in deciding which standard ultimately wins, said Howard Locker, director of new technology at China's Lenovo Group, the world's third-biggest computer maker."
PC's won't be the deciding factor for new disk technology. Look how long DVD took to catch on with PC's! Six years. That is bull *****. I had a DVD drive in my PC in 1999 and didn't get any real use out of it for games and programs until 2004/2005.
It will be console gaming and movie players that sell the technology. I can't see publishers who were scared to release a DVD version of their product jump on any format that is in the middle of a format war. Come on DVD didn't have any competition back then and still publishers didn't want to move to it.
For those who say "but you can watch HD movies on your HDTV with your PC". You may be able to watch them but good luck hearing them. I have my PC hooked up to my HDTV but I won't watch movies on it. It makes to much noise. I use my DVD player that makes little to no noise. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well thats the funny thing.... Content companies support Blu Ray, Consumers (atleast the majority from what I have read) will not. Content companies will NOT say 'well you can't have this movie in normal dvd or hd-dvd format... you have to buy it in Blu Ray!' My prediction is that a LOT of the people that said 'I will never own that!' will actually be amongst the early adopters, but not enough to create a major market, therefor keeping the prices high.
As for HD-dvd, I predict a much similiar affect, but slightly more buying into this one, because so far we have not heard of a 'self destruct feature' in this player format...
Can we say beta max? - RicDesan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly! Someone recently made a very valid point about the move to DVD that the future format wont enjoy, and that is being a DRASTIC improvement over the old format as DVD was over VHS cassette tapes. HD DVD and BR may be superior but its no where near the kind of paradigm shift tape to disc was. Yet still, its easy to recall how long the the shift took place in this last go round! The PC crowd will definitely exert influence in this format war my (just as we did in the last one) ... but, it will not have the same impact as it did in DVD adoption. The reason why is the consumer.
This go round has to face a much more savvy public with more sophisticated tastes and which is uniformly a harder sell than they were in the past. SO, suffice it to say I hope the front running "format pushers" are dug in for a long haul with the commensurate deep pockets for extended "consumer convincing" or they better be prepared to drop the new formats cost to be at or less expensive than current DVD technology. And if they dont do the latter, be prepared to take the risk of losing everyones attention very quickly. - DaWolfman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm not even sure how much MS cares about HD-DVD. I mean, look at the 360. "Uh, well, gee... I GUESS we'll put HD-DVD in there, but only after we shipped it with DVD-9 drives which forces ALL of our game developers to focus on making their games fit on a DVD...." Not very encouraging. I think MS really doesn't care much about HD-DVD, and they only added it to fight Sony's advantage with a HD-player in the PS3.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Who the heck is going to trust flimsy pieces of plastic to store 25-50 gigs of your data, at $25 a pop, and another $500 or more for the drive itself? I'd rather get a couple of external hard disks. One scratch on your beautiful shiny BluRay disc and poof goes your data.
I'll wait till Ricoh's 200GB disc becomes mainstream, times are bound to get more interesting then. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+61080p TV prices are dropping like mad.
Once you sit in front of a HD TV with a real 1080p source you will have a hard time ever going back to 1080i,720,480 and other crappy resolutions.
With the death of the image constraint token and the flood of new 1080p sets consumers are buying Sony is going to be placing millions of $499 BluRay players out there in consumer hands.
There's a reason BluRay has all the support...
The only people who still bother talking about the dead HD-DVD format are Xbox fans. - gincarnated, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That article was pretty lackluster for CNET.
I really don't see how Blu-Ray can lose this format war unless Sony and the Blu-Ray consortium really **** up bad. It's the better format in terms of optical storage, and they have every major studio except for Universal lined up under Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray should be the clear cut winner, but when it comes to Sony you just never know. - markcrules, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5 I will probably get the xbox 360 add on drive (HD-DVD) that has a USB connector, now there HAS to be a driver for my windows computer for that, meaning that after initial expense the device could be usuable on two home devices.
- carve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sorry to say that I think things are looking good for Blu-Ray. They seem to have the most support (especially with Dell) and they have the trojan horse of the PS3. I'd prefer HD mostly because it is less expensive and a more open format. That, and the fact that HD-DVD is several months ahead of Blu-Ray, are it's only chances to succeed. I'd really like to see the companies get into a price war- that'd be great!
So, when are holographic discs supposed to come out? Aren't they supposed to be ~200GB? That'll be great for computers, but I don't see another TV broadcast standard coming out for a LONG time (3D-TV?), so I think whichever format wins this war is the format we'll be stuck with for a LONG time. - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One argument I've yet to hear is the aesthetics of the names. To me, Blu Ray sounds like a knock-off, while HD-DVD sounds like the original. I know it's a shallow way of thinking about it, but consider that most consumers really don't know which is which. Don't you think people will be more apt to adopt a standard that sounds more like what it is supposed to be? High Definition DVD (HD-DVD) = HDTV, or Blu Ray = HDTV...
I don't know... just something to consider. - toby34a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4With the amount of PC manufacturers lined up with Blu-Ray, I think that that's eventually going to come out on top. Apple, Dell, and HP are all Blu-Ray guys (HP on both, but Dell's the big, important, bargain-basement one). Lenovo will pick up support later. Here's a list from engadget on the different sides and their supporters:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/
Adobe is supporting Blu-Ray. If you can't get Photoshop on an HD-DVD disc, what's the point? - SilentPurity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The real question should be: Which disk has a bigger hole in the middle? And what can I do with it... ;-)
- stonyhill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3DRM? No thanks. I'm migrating directly from DVD to hard drive file storage on a RAID home server. I can't think of a single good reason for buying an expensive media drive, when I can buy another 250gb hard drive for $49. And file storage is future-proof -- it's just a matter of using a new codec.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I could easily use the storage capacities of a blu-ray disk right now.
But.... No one is going to pay the street prices for the disks and media.
Drives need to be $500. and media needs to be $10.
It's no big deal when you make a Frisbee when burning a CD. it's oh ..10 cents 50 cents.
Dvd-r's are what 50 cents. Double layers are well $2.00 to $4.00 that's getting painful.
If one of these standards want to win the format wars.
They must control prices. You cant created demand when your demand a high price.
First looser in the DVD format wars was DVD+R. Supporter of that format is Sony.
If history is any sign Sony does not have a good track record of bringing formats to the street that get accepted as standards.
Maybe they should start looking at trying to get market share by being a little more willing to be flexible. - Dayyve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3HAHAHAHA - and that ties in with what someone said previously about the porn industry's historical importance in backing formats.
BD rep - "50 gigs space on these puppies to burn all your crap to, so you'll have less discs to keep track of that you'll never watch again."
HD rep - "Pashaw! Not only do we have porn but look at the hole on that bee-yoot!" /HD rep raises eyebrows ala Groucho Marx - carve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is a trojan horse. It was specifically and detrimentally delayed in order for the blu-ray player to be included. The player really isn't that necessary for the games. The reason for the delay is to get a lot of them out there sooner than HD-DVD. It looks like a gift, but it is really their way of taking over. Trojan horse.
- rabid_monkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree. Both of these competing formats should just be ditched and all of the development funds pushed into holographic storage. This I think is a big enough leap to warrant the jump. They are far enough along the development cycle to make it a sure-fire thing. Blue-ray and HD-DVD are really just a small jump in capacity compared to holographic. They are nowhere near enough to work well alongside modern hard drives as a viable backup storage medium. Or maybe let the computer industry have holographic storage, and leave the crappy Blue-ray - HD-DVD debacle to the rest of the consumer electronics industry.
- rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apple the new Sony
- lambda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4They could release High Def movies on regular DVDs because half the space is wasted by deleted scenes, previews and French sound tracks.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've seen one in the news. It might as well be a desktop PC because that's how big the fricken thing is.
- pingveno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Two words: anti-trust lawsuit
- forumreader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anyone know or want to take a guess on how much a blu-ray or hd-dvd internal drive for a desktop pc is going to cost? I'd love to skip over buying a dedicated player if I can throw one of the internal drives into my mediacenter pc.
- PostedOval, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3All of this is fine, but won't the real deciding factor be that Sony owns The Da Vinci Code, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Click, James Bond: Casino Royale, and hundreds of other Sony Picture Movies?
The public will be damn tempted to buy a Blu-Ray player if the movie they wanna watch is only availble on that HD format. - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't see either format really taking off. "Hardcore" movie buffs and some rich gamers may like the movies, but aside from that I don't see too many people adopting either format any time soon. The average electronics consumer just doesn't want them.
Rather, I see some sort of new digital storage device kind of like the iPod that will eventually take over people's homes. You can download your movies/TV shows through your player in Hi-def and not worry about proprietary formats or $30 discs. I'd much rather have some sort of product that's easy to manage and maintain all of my movies in HD without worrying about some corporation's proprietary format that's being pushed on me. - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd stick with the external hard disks.
Blu Ray is a disaster in the making. Sony will have complete control over the data you record on those discs. What happens when you have 200GB of your data held hostage and a box pops up "Sorry, you are not authorized to access this content." - esaks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can't really see the worth in any disc based storage medium anymore. Once internet speeds get fast enough and everything is connected to a network, why would you ever need a storage disc? Just download whatever you want and store whatever you want on the network. I guess that will be a couple of years down the line though.
- amed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sony is taking a big gamble of their hardware, and the stakes are hard to say whether they will make it or not.
Sony is relieing heaviliy on Blue-ray to make it into the next gen, and the blue ray is relying heavily on the PS3 to make it. PS3 is priced 600 and 500. Thats Super expensive. And the worst part is that Nintendo Wii will be released around the same time as the ps3 and x360 will drop its price making it really hard for Sony to sell the ps3.
The safest thing to do is wait till next yr and see which gen is getting the majorities vote. You dont wanna waste $1000 on a system than find out the market is not supporting it anymore do you ?
But then again, if Sony makes it they will be fealthy rich - newdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe neither will really take off. Remember how SACD and DVD-CD's tried to take out the standard Audio CD? The majority of consumers don't really have a need for high definition DVD content and some can't even tell the difference.
- podgey22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Heh.. No... After you and a few million others perhaps...
The thing is I dont think many people can actually say they NEED 25gigs on a disc. Sure it can be handy to get 3dvds on one disc but after that what's the point?
I cant even see this being adopted for backup anytime soon as they are both relatively untested mediums.
I'm just going to sit back, wait for them to battle it out until there's a clear winner and the prices are that of todays dvd drives and maybe then invest in one... If I still dont feel I need it by then, I still wont get one though. - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If Microsoft were to stop licensing to Sony, they would lose a HUGE amount of money. It would almost be the same if they were to stop licensing to Dell in the US. It would be a crazy amount of money."
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html
Check #12 on this list. Then look at #5. Now consider that #12 is mostly consistent of elderly people. Consider also that the Japanese are also huge Apple fans. I just don't think microsoft is worried too much about shunning the Japanese market. - Thmstec, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4that's is by far the most intelligent answer I have EVER seen on digg. Short, to the point, and correct without a doubt.
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"~200GB"
for starters, going to 1.6 TB
http://www.inphase-technologies.com/
I recall having read: somewhere this year, early next (for 200GB). - pingveno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think that's the first time I've heard a game console referred to as a "trojan horse."
- fredinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@noGoodNamesLeft
well it probably will seeing as the porn industry is backing blu-ray! - Kevin108, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The PC market is still stuck on CDs apparently, regardless of the fact that the majority of users now have DVD drives. I dare you to go into a store and try to buy a piece of software or a game on DVD as opposed to 3 or 4 CDs. I doubt you'll find one. With a few exceptions, it's even hard to find Linux distros in single DVD ISOs. I don't think either of these new HD disc formats will be too important for PCs simply because DVDs haven't even caught on yet.
- passivejj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11 DVD (8.5GB DL) can hold the data from 12 CDs(700MB)
1 HD-DVD (30GB DL?) can hold the data from 3 DVDs(8.5GB DL)
1 Bluray disc (50GB DL?) can hold the data from 5 DVDs(8.5GB DL)
This doesn't seem like a very big leap from the previous generation... I was hoping these new discs would hold something like 100-200GB at least. I'm in no hurry to replace my DL-DVDs for data backup... - interiot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2So... watching movies on your PC at 720x480 is the end-all be-all of PC video? (laptops are now shipping with 1920x1200 LCD's) You think that in a couple years, we'll still be bittorrenting movies that are all smaller than 4.7GB?
For now, the "station wagon full of backup tapes" model still applies... if you're going to go to the trouble of using physical media, there's no reason to not use media that can give you higher resolution than is convenient to get over the internet. - jchri09, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Until I see a blu-ray video release in a working player I won't be convinced on who will win this war.
I don't want Sony to win but I like the size capability of the blu-ray format. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I probably wait for Inphase and their holotechnique :-)
CDs die on me after 9 years
DVDs scratch like crazy, and seem even less unreliable (or it's just me) - verstohlen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Almost everyone will have to buy a new video card in addition to the new drive to play any HD-DVD or Blu-Ray DVDs (at least at the higher resolution) on their computer because almost every single video card out there now does not have the HDMI interface built into it.
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