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- cheez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i like my directv hd tivo, i won't switch
- smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It's a big deal because it's the first Directv HD DVR that's not using the tivo software. Directv has had HD DVR's long before Comcast.
- ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Now Chris (weslause)...
Your comments wouldn't have anything to do with that we have had to ban you over 30+ times from DBSTalk, and most of the major DBS forums have had to do the same.
Again... I am "not" an official beta tester, as DirecTV doesn't have an external beta testing program.
I have told you at least two or three dozen times over the last year (since the R15 release) about the Dual Buffers... flat out... end of story... DirecTV simply decided NOT to put that feature into IT's boxes.... Why is that so hard to understand ? seriously?
Why do you care what the "software number" was on the first day I got the box. It means nothing to you (unless you have access to the source code).... You have had this fixation on the "version" number since the first R15 was released.....
IF DirecTV wan'ts to push VOD all day, while you are not recording something.
Their Box, Their Service... If you don't like it... change your carriers... Seriously... If you would spend a little more energy from attacking me for the last year, into finding yourself a different carrier... you would be done with the big bad evil DirecTV.... - ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The hard drive in the HR20-700 is a 300gb SATA drive.
At this moment, there is no indication that the hard drive is NOT upgradable.
I simply don't have a 500gb SATA or larger drive to try it with. - dree, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This new DirecTV HD DVR (notice I said DVR, not Tivo) is more of a downgrade.
With the old HR10-250 HDTivo (comes with a 250GB drive stock) you can buy a regular PATA drive from newegg,etc and upgrade yourself to any size (750GB, dual 750GB drives for 1.5TB if you buy a bracket for two drives, 400GB, 320GB, 200GB, etc...)
With deals like a 400GB drive for $109 shipped from Fry's, anybody with a HDTivo should read up on upgrading.
The new HR20-700 HD DVR comes with a 200GB drive (the 700 in the model # is not the drive size) that you can't upgrade.
Unless you need HD Locals in MPEG4 because you don't have good OTA reception (the HR10-250 HDTivo can record HD OTA too, plus what you record OTA is way better quality than DTV's recompressed HDLite locals), you should get the old HDTivo.
Plus you can extract recordings from the Tivo with a little bit of hacking (Tivo Zipper script is relatively easy) - fustanella, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm going to wait for others to shake the bugs out this time. My Sony DirecTivo still serves delightfully after 4 years or so, and I'd need to update the TV anyway to HD. Hmm, new credit card coming...
- DocNo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For me, It used to be the Tivo HD DVR. That and Dish equipment (again, to me) is cheap, buggy, slow and generally crap.
I'll have to see one of the new HD DVR's in person. My parents have had DirecTV for years, and I was all set to get DirecTV until they got bought by newscorp and announced they would be dumping Tivo for their own internally developed DVR's from NDS.
I was home visiting my folks last month, and they wanted another DVR (they have a series 1 Tivo already) and there was a special, offering the DirecTV branded DVR for free after rebate. So I figured what the heck and picked it up and installed it for them. It did have a couple of nice features like showing the current channel in a preview window while you are in the menus, but the overall feel of the box is very clunky. Esp. when you compare it to Tivo. Recording programs was weird, it wasn't nearly as flexible as Tivo as to where you can start recording from, it's scheduling engine is pretty weak, there is no easy way to see what is being recorded like Tivo's To Do list (very handy when you have a new DVR and you want to make sure you did everything correctly). It uses twice the number of buttons as Tivo which made it really confusing to figure out which button to press when you were on a particular screen. The remote isn't laid out nearly as nice as Tivo's. There is no wishlist support - I use wishlists all the time to record stuff on people or subjects I am interested in. I could go on...
None of the above by itself is not that big of a deal-other than wishlists - for me wishlists is huge. But all the user experience for the other stuff when taken as a whole, to put it bluntly, sucks. We kept it for a week, but in the end I really didn't like it and my parents hated it, so we took it back and got 'em a DirecTivo.
Hopefully they have learned a thing or two with this new HD unit. Esp. since that last upgrade to my S2 Tivo is a giant step backwards - the menu's are about half the speed they used to be. Moving around between screens and issuing commands is now a chore.
I would love to have choice and competition, but so far no one else seems to be able to design a user-oriented, simple to use DVR like Tivo has :(
One positive thing. All the sucky HD DVR's (or soon to be obsolete like the current DirecTivo HD DVR) have kept me from blowing allot of money on a nice large screen HD display and extra HD programming fee's... - aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's a big deal because the previous HD DVR was Mpeg2 not Mpeg4 so it lacked the ability to watch all the HD channels unless you had an off-air antennae.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The interface on this thing looks hideously boring. How long ago did TiVo come out? 1998? TiVo still looks light years ahead to this. Where's the Wow! factor? DTV didn't add one ounce of slickness to their interface. How much time and how much money did they spend to design this thing? Weak.
- somecheesypoofs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6TiVo needs to get off thier ass and get their TiVo Series3 HD PVR out. I'm ready to replace all 3(!) of my Series2 boxes. That and when the hell is Verizon going to offer the video services in Fort Wayne, IN. I've had 30MB/15MB internet since October. I'm ready to ditch Comcast's basic cable for $60/mo.
/done bitching - SmokeN-DC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just called DirecTv and it is only in LA now should be available in my area Washington DC late this fall but they are not giving out dates yet
- Gruesome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Has anyone built their own PVR? I like the idea of not using a service at all...plus the geek appeal of doing it yourself!
- gavdana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I called D* tonight, hoping that San Diego would be close enough for an exception. The rep was understanding, but could not hook me up. Oh well ...
- aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I just called Directv and you can place an order directly through them. I don't currently have the old mpeg2 DVR so I had to pay full price. 300 bucks including install.
- ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Chirs.... dude... Seriously... we just ban "you" WesLause last night, not once.. .by twice... so...... you can play the game as much as you want.... I can't imagine how many email address you have had to setup to create as many accounts as you have... Anyway.. So if that isn't calling the kettle black... at least I don't hide behind so very creative login/name creation...
I really don't care if you believe me or not. Really don't.
You simply don't want to accept the answers that I have provided to you.
So... stop asking them, as I am going to give you the same answer... as that IS the answer. Has my answer changed much in the year you have been bugging the hell out of me?
So... you would like to know the software version number..... nah... I like pushing your buttons since for what ever reason out of the 20,000 people that have view the thread, you seem to be the only one that has a bug-aboo about the version number... and since I know it is you.... So the version number is 12345
So... you in your infinent wisdom speak for the 15,000,000 DirecTV customers.. and can say EXACTLY what each and every one of them want... and know it definitively and for certain..... that not one of them will deviate from that list of wants?
It really gets to the point... you have been hell bent on DirecTV since the release of the R15... there is at least 1 other SAT carrier out there.... So if you can receive the DirecTV signal, you most certainly can receive the Dish network signal... then there is cable...
If you don't like the VOD solution, or the suggestions.... I seriously suggest.... change freaking carriers.... really.... seriously... call Dish network, I am sure they would give you a pretty good deal to switch..... - carve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Looks like there are a lot of DirecTV HD fans here. I have my 1st HDTV on order, and I was about to get Dish Networks HD DVR (ViP622). Dish Network seems like they have WAY more HD channels than Directv, so what is the draw to them?
- z1freeride, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How does this compare with Dish Network's HD receiver and programming?
- aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually I must have misunderstood the rep that took my order. I just checked the order online and it looks like its 399.00 NOT 300.00.
I checked my account online and I was billed 133.00 for 3 months for the equipment. Either way... I'm looking forward August 26th for the install. - orenthal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i have had the "old" directv HDtivo for about a month now. hopefully it will be a free swap for the new one when it is available in birmingham.
- SlashNot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have the tivo right now, Maybe ill get it when its available. Ill be waiting awhile I think.
- aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can tell if you are getting the HR20 if the order says:
"DIRECTV HD DVR (Expanded HD Prog. Capable)" - au071, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good for Direct YV. some times you have to wonder what the hell is Tivo doing? They just drag their feet big time for HD DVR...
- ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Right now the box is only available to the LA area.... they are tracking it via ZIP Codes I believe, to limit to that area for the initial rollout.... There are some vendors such as ValueElectronics, that are starting to take pre-orders for outside the LA area I believe.
- hakamarob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1no dual tuner cache? big skip
- ajwillys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This means you will probably not get the HR20 despite what they are telling you. You would not be the first to 'schedule' an HR20 and have the installer show up with an HR10.
- badfrog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I will give up my HD-TiVo when they pull it from my cold, dead hands. Boo to DTV for dropping the TiVo interface.
- ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Please.... get a clue... if I was begging... there would be a pretty pretty pretty please next to it....
The Chris I mention is you... and we know it is you... so, continue to hide if you want...
How can I admit I am Beta Tester... If I am not a Beta tester... and if you have ever Beta testing something in your life, there is little thing called NDA's... which if I was a Beta tester, I would be is SOOOOO MUCH trouble for posting the review.
Well you can hash that out with users in the tivocommunity forum (Regarding turning off the suggestions)... there are people that simply don't want that feature... end of story.
Ahh... so now they are CSRs with extra titles....
Yes the receiver was a self install... I'll admit that, as I really don't need waste a tech time to come and install things.
Oh... and your date..... that is not even close.. but of course you'll come back and say... I am lying... it is not like you are comprehending anything else I have put up here.
As a "programmer" I think any thing is possible...
"Hard" is what we like to work on... Easy is just boring.... - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hopefully they've been trying to get it right the first time. Unlike some of the boxes that have come out from the competition.
- weslause, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this is no bttle, this is someone you are acusing of being someone else, wo also can see through your venner of honesty to the lack of honesty beneath,
yea hr20 speaks,
no way to save searches,
no rating shows,
no ota
only 50 series links
no full 2 week to do lists
not enough system ram, and still too slow a processor
no dual live bufers, cause directv wants to use your dvr sen myvod anytime of day
good try to spin
you are an official beta tester, you was asked by directv to post that review, to "convince" directvvs very nervous customer base that their hd dvr was any good. so no you would not get into any trouble.. and the nda, non discosure agreement, you claim , well that only covers topics direct specifically tells you not to reveal, software version, processor spped, reson on stuf and etc, and also says when you can say so.
and the date is spot n becaude that is what they said from your own ersonal account info from install date, they would not (confidentiality reasons) not say exact date, but i asked after july 2oth but before 25th they said yes.
BECAUSE as you admitted in a post on dbs talk, you had to wait to get word from directv to post review, so you got orders from the top,
and directv amitted you are a beta tester, so stop trying to hide the fact...
all csr have extra titles, no matter who they work for,examle, some are regular, some are techs, some are retention, some are office of preident, but their title is all csr. because they interact with the customer, not too difficult to understand.
ad lie about bein banned, i have active posing ccounts with every dbs board on net. - ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Asking for a plasma to test....
You really have ZERO sense of humor do you... it is called a fraking joke.... But hey... it can't hurt to ask.. :)
You yourself said it was a CSR... so why would I be wrong?
Either way... so what is the software version number, if you already know?
You really need stay in TiVo land so you can have your precious Dual Buffers.
Anyway...
I am Earl... and don't hide it..
You are Chris... and try to hide it every time....
Ah well... just like we can't have a DVR that will be 100% to everyone.
Guess we can't have people that understand everything 100% of the time... - weslause, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is no bttle, this is someone you are acusing of being someone else, wo also can see through your venner of honesty to the lack of honesty beneath,
yea hr20 speaks,
no way to save searches,
no rating shows,
no ota
only 50 series links
no full 2 week to do lists
not enough system ram, and still too slow a processor
no dual live bufers, cause directv wants to use your dvr sen myvod anytime of day
good try to spin
you are an official beta tester, you was asked by directv to post that review, to "convince" directvvs very nervous customer base that their hd dvr was any good. so no you would not get into any trouble.. and the nda, non discosure agreement, you claim , well that only covers topics direct specifically tells you not to reveal, software version, processor spped, reson on stuf and etc, and also says when you can say so.
and the date is spot n becaude that is what they said from your own ersonal account info from install date, they would not (confidentiality reasons) not say exact date, but i asked after july 2oth but before 25th they said yes.
BECAUSE as you admitted in a post on dbs talk, you had to wait to get word from directv to post review, so you got orders from the top,
AND NO BEGGING WOULD NOT HAVE TO AY PLEASEPLEASE ETC, YOU ASKED FOR FREE TV, SHOWING NO INTEGRITY AT ALL.
and directv amitted you are a beta tester, so stop trying to hide the fact...
all csr have extra titles, no matter who they work for,examle, some are regular, some are techs, some are retention, some are office of preident, but their title is all csr. because they interact with the customer, not too difficult to understand.
ad lie about bein banned, i have active posing ccounts with every dbs board on net. - nullrider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They are coming out to install the HR20 and the 5 lnb dish at my house this weekend (Sept 2). I live in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. I made very sure that it is the HR20 because of all the stories that I've read about someone thinking they were getting it then when the installer shows up it's the HR10. I talked at length to the CSR (who actually seemed to understand what he was talking about) and confirmed every step and all the equipment. It is the HR20 and it will be installed this weekend. HooRah!!!
- 4Runner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3How's Dave doing these days? Is he still suing people that bought 'em card readers?
- ajwillys, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well said Earl!! (ebonovic)
- jmcook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just got off the phone with DirecTv. I'm in WI and was told that you cannot order the HR20 yet.... what the heck! Has anybody outside of LA been able to order one? Did I get a service rep that was clueless? I'm dying to get this box.
- DiabloArt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0One word - FOOTBALL HD
- SofiaMai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First time poster. I live in Northern Virginia and am scheduled to have the HR20-700 installed the first week of September. Not sure if this means it's available to all yet, but thought I would let you know.
- ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Regarding Suggestions:
Take a look in the forums, and find out how many "non-tech" people ask how to turn that feature OFF...... I enjoy suggestions, and it has found many shows I enjoy today... so it is not just for those people "in the real world" - ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And to that.... you know where to find me.... it doesn't do DIGG any good for us to have our "battle" here.... As the review is about the unit it self, not me, nor anyone else... the HR20 speaks for itself....
Thanks to DIGG for having the review link...
Anyone else that wants to check out the HR20, or send me a message...
www.dbstalk.com
That is off course you are not like me good friend Chris (wes)
Who has been banned from the site... (and others) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The box looks pretty and futuristic.
Cool! - rayshooks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I sell both DIRECTV and Dish in the Seattle market area here in WA. I just got my first shipment of HR20's 3 days ago and have already sold out of them! However, according to my distributor it will be approx. 2 weeks before I can order any more... which really sucks since I have a long list of existing customers who wants this unit.
Selling both systems, this is how I see both with regards to their HD DVR's:
DIRECTV ----- Dish Network
$299.99 ----- $199.99
Single Room Unit ----- Dual Room Unit
9 HD Channels ----- 37 HD Channels
No PIP ----- PiP enabled in Single Mode
No Reminder/Autotune ----- Has reminder and autotune functions
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to try the unit out since we sold them all so quickly. But for sure when our next shipment comes in I will have some time to do so. As far as i've heard, its a mimic of the R15... which I was never impressed with (being a DIRECTV TiVo user). - ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I know I said I wouldn't be back.... but... there has been a change....
Anyone intrested in signing up for the notification list for the HR20-700...
You can signup to be notified when the unit is available in your area.
See www.dbstalk.com - ebonovic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1:) Getting off by pushing your buttons.... yah, I have to admit... this is about a years worth of dealing with your posts venting right now. For the year, I have taken the highroad as much as possible... even multiple times giving you 2nd 3rd, 4th chances...
So yah... if with holding this "crucial" piece of information called the software version number.. that the "Real World" can't live with out... yah.. keeps a smile on my face.
Anyway... This is an integrated product... not a full blown PC... If you want something with all those options... either it is going to cost you several thousand dollars, or the function base has to be set to a point.... Given limited resource, to keep costs down where someone woudl buy it, you can't have a box that gives everyone everything they want....
If you could build a DVR to do everything you have listed over the last year... release it and make millions... if it doesn't cost you millions to build it.
It is simple fundementals of hardware and software design... the more complex, the more expensive... The more "user end customizable", the more complex... thus the more expensive...
"They want to force VOD all day...."
1) They haven't even started with VOD yet... so how are you so aware of what the plans are for the implementation of VOD
2) Based on Conversations.. VOD is secondary to user request. So if you have something set to record on both tuners, you requests are not going to get bumped to record VOD.
"Use Real World Ideas 1st... not Techno"
Hmm.... the problem with that is... tehcnology is limited to the point it can't create Utopia yet. So.. until it can... Technical limitation will curb "Real World Ideas"
I would like a DVR that will record everything I want... with out me telling it what I want it to record... and at the same time keep it to eternity, and not lose a single recording..
Oh... and to answer one of your earlier points....
Duh!!!! A Good number of CSR spend time in the forums.
And since I don't hide who I am..... they know my name.
But since the HR20 wasn't publicly available when I got it (regardless "how" I got it)... someone who doesn't have all the information (including CSRs) could come to the conclusiion that I "must" be part of the BETA Team...
So do me a favor... pickup a technology magazine that does technology reviews, be it home video, or computer stuff.... those magazines are sent to print multiple months in advance.... are all those reviews of products that haven't hit the streets yet... done by people who are part of Beta programs??? Or are they done by people who where given a "sneak peak" and opportunity to work with a product, before the product goes public....
Welcome to the real world.... - bang21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I was told the same thing--LA only at this time. I asked about price and they said they didn't know. $300 would be great as I was figuring $499.
- weslause, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Take what he says WITH A GIGANTIC grain of salt. This from the official beta tester..who denied it, but was confirmed by dtv corp, who slants everything towards the company.
Who for some screwball unknown reason will not reveal that directv wont do dual live buffers so they can use it to push vod all day, and hides what the initial and latest software version is on the hr20-700...
why hide software version on a released unit ? - hurfydurfur, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I couldn't see in the pic, is the article reviewing a series3?
- weslause, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Earl once again, I see whoever this Chris is he most be telling truth,
Because the word from Directv, call and ask ask about Earl Bonovich, may have top play csr roulette, call 800-824-9081, and ask if he is a beta tester, and the result ion specialist had to get with her boss make a few calls, and go into a special area of Directv account files. and bingo
They came bacck on and 100% confirmed the following.
The unit was installed in late July, and was installed by an official beta tester, who happened to have your name,
So why deny what anyone can call and confirm?
And nice try saying that guy is banned elsewhere to get people to ignore the facts, and through off the scent on you.
and why say this gentleman has attacked you? why falsifying and acting like his posts you refer to, are not personal, are questioning and very informative.
and dual live buffers, it is our box, if directv wants to push myvod stuff, do it when we want it to, not at directvs control, after all Otis OUR viewing experience not theres, DUH.
HIDING software versions is very odd.
And from your word framing, you have rproven something, Directv dioes not care what cuustomers want, They give us what detached bean counters and technos only want, - weslause, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0No it was not a joke, you was begging for free stuff during your review, anybody that does that has little integerity. and is nt honorable, showing they are doin what theydoin to get free stuff and clouds whatever they say in their review.
This Chris you mention, must speak truth, and you must hate that.
Then if used suggestions why turn them off ???? most people tur them off because they are not properly informed of how they can help. these are same people that get ripped off everyday in this country,
and all people no matter their title (tech, corp etc) are all considered CSR'S some have additional titles too.
so yes you are a beta tester who is afraid to admit it,
alo your reciver was a self install they said as well.
in late july about the 20th.
and you prob said to end dual live buffers cause you think " gee as a programmer be easier not have it" (not saing you programmed it) - weslause, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0I would like a DVR that will record everything I want... with out me telling it what I want it to record... and at the same time keep it to eternity, and not lose a single recording..
you said that above.
well that shows the true psyche of a programer who just does not get it......
with suggestion type feature, if you use it, you can discover many shows you would have neer thought of, and find new faves, but that only makes sense, so most tech peple do not get it - weslause, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0:) Getting off by pushing your buttons.... yeah, I have to admit... this is about a years worth of dealing with your posts venting right now. For the year, I have taken the highroad as much as possible... even multiple times giving you 2nd 3rd, 4th chances...
So yeah... if with holding this "crucial" piece of information called the software version number.. that the "Real World" can't live with out... yeah.. keeps a smile on my face.....
all have do is call office of president and get the version number, which i did, and i knew you thinking you only knew it, would make you reveal your true self...
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and cling using a wink and you practically begging for a new plasma in our hr20 review(cause you knew manufactures would be reading it) shows you have ulterior motives other than the common good, very deplorable.
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Anyway... This is an integrated product... not a full blown PC... If you want something with all those options... either it is going to cost you several thousand dollars, or the function base has to be set to a point.... Given limited resource, to keep costs down where someone would buy it, you can't have a box that gives everyone everything they want....
If you could build a DVR to do everything you have listed over the last year... release it and make millions... if it doesn't cost you millions to build it.
It is simple fundamentals of hardware and software design... the more complex, the more expensive... The more "user end customizable", the more complex... thus the more expensive...
nice spin....... all would have to do is a few options, that would not add millions to development and cost Nice try using your phony credability to make people think it would cost tons more to add very simple things......
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"They want to force VOD all day...."
1) They haven't even started with VOD yet... so how are you so aware of what the plans are for the implementation of VOD
2) Based on Conversations.. VOD is secondary to user request. So if you have something set to record on both tuners, you requests are not going to get bumped to record VOD.
yeah, if our experience was 1st and not second, we would have dual live buffers, cause our stuff comes 1st as you claim......
well again another lie
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"Use Real World Ideas 1st... not Techno"
Hmm.... the problem with that is... tehcnology is limited to the point it can't create Utopia yet. So.. until it can... Technical limitation will curb "Real World Ideas"
I would like a DVR that will record everything I want... with out me telling it what I want it to record... and at the same time keep it to eternity, and not lose a single recording..
this i mant not using comp people on decidin all to go into it, cause they always want the easiest way out.
even when it would not take but a lil more work to add very lil adding stuff
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Oh... and to answer one of your earlier points....
Duh!!!! A Good number of CSR spend time in the forums.
And since I don't hide who I am..... they know my name.
But since the HR20 wasn't publicly available when I got it (regardless "how" I got it)... someone who doesn't have all the information (including CSRs) could come to the conclusiion that I "must" be part of the BETA Team...
sorry earl, you are wrong again, they was not csr, they were resolution people, wo made calls to corp, who directed them to a special area via a password to get into area of their intenal mateial they have on employees subscribers and etc, and therre exact words, he is a beta tester, was hired because of r15 review.
nice try makin it sem like it was an error, so come out of the closet (no not that way) say loudly and proudly .. I am Earl and i am a Directv tester, eta whatever word you want to add.
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