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- AmyVernon, on 10/10/2008, -5/+32Wow. That is going to be a huge deal for photojournalists.
- bixby1, on 10/10/2008, -4/+26This truly is a game changer.
- dafragsta, on 10/10/2008, -0/+14"Laforet predicts that this low-light sensitivity will lead moviemakers to dispense with expensive, bulky, and obtrusive lighting equipment, shooting their movies entirely with available light."
Yeah, that'll make for some really bland low contrast movies as well. No matter how effective these cameras are at capturing pristine SLR photos in 1080/30p, there will ALWAYS be a need for effective lighting. The lighting is almost as important as the actors for setting the tone of a scene.
I suppose portrait photographers won't need key lighting either. - Brian48216, on 10/10/2008, -1/+12I doubt it.
Wear and tear is caused by moving parts. As long as nothing is moving, you're not developing wear and tear. The mirror lift up mechanism on SLRs are weight balanced to allow for really fast shots and high frames per second- so it isn't likely for the lift up mechanism to be under that much stress.
You could cause heat damage to the sensor but with that, you either cause damage or you don't. And considering these sensors are frequently used with very long exposure times, and sometimes at rather high iso settings, it doesn't seem likely that heat from a video mode would shorten the life of the sensor significantly. - wildkeith, on 10/10/2008, -0/+9The real advance here is ability to use shallow depth of field lenses, which is something not found on consumer or most prosumer camcorders.
- MacBookForMe, on 10/10/2008, -0/+8...I love it anyway, because it'll effect pricing structure of both classes a bit faster than usually..(i think)
- smakusdod, on 10/10/2008, -1/+9Have you seen the Canon 5D mk II footage? it will blow you away. Color of film, with sharpness of high-def.
original blog here:
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/without- ...
you can download the movie here... his hosting blew up based on demand:
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/26/original ...
behind the scene video:
http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_ ... - shoook, on 10/10/2008, -6/+13CMOS isn't really new at all (originally patented in 1967), apparently it's just being implemented in photo cameras so they can also record video. Which is cool for casual video but will not be competing with prosumer cameras such as Sony's EX1 or Panasonic's HVX/HPX any time soon.
- UltraMegaFilms, on 10/10/2008, -2/+9Yeah 4K with 35mm lens? You don't know what your talking about. The Red already made cameras like the HVX obsolete (I have had to use both, and the HVX is a piece of ***** in comparison.) The sub $3,000 5D camera now makes the $17,000 Red seem silly. Still, the Red camera is cleaning up pro-sumer, and pro as well. Call a rental house, they will say "Anything that isn't a Red is covered in dust!"
- kleenex1, on 10/10/2008, -2/+9I wonder what the wear and tear on the sensor is like? I'm assuming when you are in video mode the mirror stays lifted exposing the sensor. I could see this lowering the life potential of the SLR significantly. Although it's a nice feature, I'm not too excited about it.
- shank2001, on 10/10/2008, -0/+6UM NO. I would like to see you build an 8 core Zeon machine with the same specs to the base model Mac Pro for cheaper that is faster.
And as far as speed, don't tell me you are comparing your overclocked 4ghz quad core to an 8 core mac pro. Overclocked 4 cores might be fast, but they are still no match to standard clocked 8 cores. Lets see you beat 24,385 (my personal best) on the Cinebench 10 rendering benchmark :
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1708
I am a PC user, I bought my Mac Pro to run primarily Vista 64 under bootcamp on my Mac Pro... and yes I do need all 8 cores for what I do. But I do dabble in OS X and am VERY impressed so far. - Jamminn, on 10/10/2008, -1/+7I dont know if its just because its been a long day but i read the title as - "New Chips Poised to Revolutionize Pornography, Film."
- thescimitar, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5As a working professional in both fields (motion and still) I can say with total certainty that this is a long way off from getting traction in the pro markets. There are plenty of reasons why motion cameras are designed the way they are that aren't specifically related to technology. Still photographers don't need to rack focus, don't really worry about temporal resolution and shutter angles. The two media are still very, very distinct. With the current designs, you can look forward to lots of out of focus pans and nauseating screen movement.
That being said, you can see how this will have a huge impact on the so called "pro-sumer" who wants the creative freedom of a dslr but doesn't want to carry around two devices to their family events, etc. - cquinnd, on 10/10/2008, -0/+5That deserves a torrent link.
- chicagospur, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Canon has used CMOS in their D-SLRs since day 1. Everyone else has been using CCD.
- ehsteve23, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4you're not the only one.
- devin_mm, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4It's probably going to revolutionize porn with cheap and easy to make HD video.
- chicagospur, on 10/10/2008, -0/+4Wait for D3X?
- Secret7000, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3The thing that is currently limiting this otherwise excellent technology is the lack of a 24p mode. Film makers just won't adopt it until it has one.
- texasjustice, on 10/10/2008, -1/+4awww...for *****'s sake. i was expecting a rehash of the classic CHiPs starring Eric Estrada and Larry Wilcox. I was sorely disappointed.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3This upsets the hell out of me. I just bought a D3 a few months ago. Now I have to pick up a d90 to supplement or something. I haven't really decided what I'm going to do.
- RATM4EVER, on 10/10/2008, -1/+4Wrong crowd. That won't get you diggs here.
- devin_mm, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3I can't wait, I have one on pre-order it looks like it's going to be a fantastic camera.
- peestandingup, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3No, you got it right.
- darkstar949, on 10/10/2008, -0/+3DSLRs are considered to be real camera's compared to the point and shoot consumer grade cameras - as noted in the article, viewing a scene through a view finder is still the only effective way to compose picture in the same way that the camera sees it.
- urbandistrict, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2I have a ton fo nice things to say about the RED One. Simply amazing equipment.
**BUT** REDCINE F'n blows serious monkey nuts. Lot of bugs. Not to mention the UI s not very intuitive.
The Red One overheats BIGTIME. I've been on outdoor shoots in LA were we had to wait for the camera to cool. In it's defense it was 100ยบ but still.
The question now is, what will the revamp of the Scarlet and Epic be? Even more Epic? - devin_mm, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2Here is a link to two more videos
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/ ... - stubby42, on 10/10/2008, -1/+3This is a huge development, its just going to take a while to filter through the industry, extreme sports will probably be pretty quick to pick it up because we'll have all the equipment we need in one piece of kit and a wide variety of lenses but tv and film will be alot slower to embrace it, mainly because they dont need to move quickly from location to location.
- theVariable, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2For anyone else who actually wanted to see the videos:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4424057/5D_MK_II_V ... - baralo, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2Agreed. I find it puzzling that a Pulitzer prize winning photog would make such an asinine assumption.
- cadmiumpaint, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2yeah it will prob be used more for indie shorts and viral youtube type vids. maybe the next blair witch kinda thing....not projects with actual budgets.
- baramunchies, on 10/10/2008, -2/+4The demo movie of the new Canon 5D MKII has been downloaded 1.5 million times. Now canon pulled the plug.
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/10/02/reverie- ... - fegul, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2There were copyright issues with Moby who's work is featured in it otherwise it would be (officially)
- AlekNovi, on 10/10/2008, -1/+3This isn't a dick-measuring contest. My camera is better than yours.
It's about the fact we're seeing this amazing new trend where you can get FULL hi-def in a prosumer camera... Which is just mind-boggling. With a 2500$ piece of equpment we'll all be able to get the kind of quality hollywood couldn't get just 6-7 years ago.
That's a revolution. It just so happens this model got it first. Within a year, every brand will... This is about the revolution, not, this particular model. - ZeMeisterstuck, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2Xeon
- EtherGnat, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2You're in luck: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493405/
- megaton, on 10/10/2008, -1/+3Why don't you check out the footage from the 5D mkII before you say definitive things like, "it will be quite a while until DSLR"s are really at the same quality of dedicated video cameras."
It's really impressive. WAY more so than your D90. - mrpicklepants, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2They're working on 24p... apparently its just a matter of firmware upgrade. I'd hold out for it to be sure, but in the meantime, start working on your Final Cut skillz! :)
- asa400, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2I am a professional photographer and amateur film maker. I'm excited as hell about this possibility because it effectively would cut the amount of equipment that I need to buy in half. And I'm sure there are a lot of other people in a similar situation.
FWIW, 35mm (still) cameras don't have a video feature...I'm sure you can keep using one of those if it bugs you that much... - hasahugedig, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2maybe from the R&D department, they found out that professional photographers wanted to shoot video without having to buy another device.
- wildkeith, on 10/10/2008, -0/+2mirror: http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_ ...
- adasha, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1FTA: "Laforet predicts that this low-light sensitivity will lead moviemakers to dispense with expensive, bulky, and obtrusive lighting equipment, shooting their movies entirely with available light. "
No they won't.
This looks good but 'revolutionise' film-making? Not yet - but it's a good start - copypastry, on 10/11/2008, -0/+1What I'm really waiting for is consumer use of backside illumination. Instead of the light going through a whole bunch of metal interconnects on the chip before hitting the silicon, BSI lets the silicon get hit first. This means you can make a camera component that is smaller, cheaper AND higher quality all at the same time. The guys who made BSI possible in large amounts have started sending out sample packages to cell phone manufacturers, meaning that the next batch of new phones might have one of these babies in it.
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=4691 - ryusen, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1depends on what the end result is for. I know my friends at the local newspaper are not liking the idea. The amount of time and extra computers to store and process the videos just don't sound like a feasible option to them.
Personally i see it as a cute gimick, but it wont' be too heavily used by a lot of serious photographers as much as casual ones with the money to spend. - bjdowns, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1Sure, at this point the Red One blows the HVX out of the water, but at an extremely higher pricepoint. For a college student, the HVX is absolutely amazing, coupled with a 35mm adapter. At over $30,000 including lenses, rails, mics, HDD, etc, for the Red, it's about as much as a whole year of tuition! I'd have to say that the HVX and Red One are for very different markets.
As far as the 5D making the Red looks silly? Please, be serious. The Red still shoots at a much, much higher resolution, in many different frame rates. Coupled with XLR, larger cinema lenses, 12 bit RAW, and a sensor that delivers outstanding color, I would have to say that the 5D video function is a novelty compared to the Red One. Once again though, different pricepoints, different markets. - srg13, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1This will never take over filmmaking - the current generation let you change hardly any manual controls, have maybe one or two frame rate selections, are fairly low resolution (only 720 or 1080p), record to low quality codecs (Like Motion JPEG), and have shocking rolling shutter artifacts (the Jello effect).
Even when all these problems are improved, SLRs just don't have the right form factor for shooting videos... Try holding your SLR upright and steady for a few minutes - it's not fun. They will, in my opinion, remain a handy tool for photographers who want to take a minute or two of video here and there, but not much more. - shank2001, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1Thank you ZeMeisterstuck... I feel stupid now ;) how could I have done that?
- homercles337, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1These are not new chips. They are just better CMOSs.
- cadmiumpaint, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1Interesting article. Photojournalists have been talking about this as "the future" since the late 90s when everything started going digital. Cool to see that its finally here.
I'm in the market for a new digi SLR.....its nice to see that this is an option that I'd be able to realistically afford. I wonder what kind of solutions they'll have for recording useable sound or attaching mics and other sound equipment. - AdventureBum, on 10/10/2008, -0/+1Two things: first off, the author knows nothing about lighting. Movie makers use expensive lighting gear not because of lack of light but because they want full control over the lighting. Greater sensitivity is great, but it will never eliminate the need for supplimental lighting. Second, using CMOS for video is nothing new. Sony's EX1 has been using it for over a year, and the RED uses it as well. Bottom line is this won't be seen as anything more than a cheap gimmick to those who are proffesionals in either field.
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