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- duke_nate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+98just an fyi, going 1000 miles on 13 gallons of gas = 77MPG
- cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -4/+75In other news, Mileage Manics have been assassinated. Exxon claims no responsibility.
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -2/+58They used careful wording, "up to 116". 116 was apparently their best score, not their overall average.
- prisoner24601, on 10/12/2007, -9/+54Well I just wish these guys wouldn't try their "Zen driving" at 45 mph on the freeway while I'm stuck behind them trying to pass!
OK, it's probably not the same people. I don't live in Japan and the Japanese are smart enough to not do this in the fast lane (Unlike many Americans... sigh...) - halik, on 10/12/2007, -7/+49Tag this as BLOG SPAM
- allaboutdatiki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38Full article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0704050703apr06,0,1765741.story?coll=chi-business-hed - jedikd, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35Anyone remember the good old days when people just wanted to "hack" their car to go as fast as possible?
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Don't know if I could imagine that. However, I sure could imagine companies like Exxon not making ten billion dollars in profit per quarter.
- Siroro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29The real secret - apparently, was to push the car!
- briareus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Of course -- that's why we're where we are today...
- dieinafire, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25yeah, i was doing the math in my head thinking "1000/13 is not greater than 100"... i am conflicted whether to digg up for gas conservation, or digg down due to inaccuracy...
- Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21The Bugatti Veyron gets 3 gallons to the mile at top speed.
- trer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Imagine if all cars could go 1000 miles between fillups.
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20I believe the phrase 'more money than brains' is applicable here.
- Bhatch514, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Rolling resistance makes a huge difference in gas mileage. Just switching from winter tire to hard all season tires i can get over 50 km's on a tank (50L) and i am not even trying to save gas (Acura RSX). Contrary, summer tires or semi slicks (like Toyo Ra1's) will cause huge increase in tire resistance cause they are softer. Air pressure is also a HUGE factor, keeping your tires perfectly inflated can save many KM's per tank, not to mention stop accidents.
- Tallon29, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Toya, nicknamed "The Shogun," said he drove 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) on a single 13-gallon (49-liter) tank 17 times last year, an average of 79 miles per gallon. At the advertised efficiency rate, a driver would get 715 miles per tank.
Toya isn't the best, though. A woman from Akita prefecture, nicknamed "Teddy-Girl," is cited on mileage maniac Web sites as getting almost 116 mpg. That's enough to drive from New York to Wichita, Kan. -- 1,386 miles -- without refilling. - luckytopher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Is that the offspring of a Camry and a Camaro?
- edebolt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15one observation is that if they are tuning the computer to run leaner then the engine is generating more heat. Same principle with dragsters. If you only want the engine to last for a quarter mile then run the mixture lean. I imagine these guys are tweaking the cooling system to run hotter and using a leaner fuel mixture to consume less gas. Toyota engineers are probably engineering for less wear and longer life.
- Akronos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Oh you're cool now.
- umdigger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Looks like we already have a winner for the new DARPA 100mpg challenge.
Though I suppose they should move to the US to claim it. - jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I usually try and glide to a stop when I see that someone in front is stopped or theres a red light.
But with that techinique you need to have quite a gap behind the guy, and someone who doesnt get the trick will nip in front and waste the whole technique.
What I would like is an electric engine for those stop and start moments in rush hour. Just an electric motor that can do 10mph, and maybe have it so that it kicks in at under 1000 revs, and vice versa for the petrol engine when above 1000 revs. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9prisoner: in japan people dont normally go 90mph, nice it is much denser than the free ways in america.
other countries; however, 100mph would not be uncommon - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Then imagine gas costing 50.00 a gallon.
- ontheheap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"puts special tires on his Prius, tapes plastic and cardboard over the engine, and blocks the grill with foam rubber. He drives without shoes and hacks into his car's computer "
I wonder how much of a difference do the tires and the computer hacks make. If they're making _that_ big a difference why don't car makers already utilize them? I'm genuinely curious. - jessdub99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'd like to know their average speed.
- NJank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Sure they would. Stockholders demand continued 'growth'. 'Growth' would be achieved via 'price adjustments'. Your $30 fillup at the tank would now cost $100.
- jimmyjars, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9My Vino gets 115mpg stock and it's twice as stylish.
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"With a manual transmission, the engine will usually kick off all fuel when you're engine braking"
What are you talking about? Using the engine to slow down does not stop fuel flow. If it did, you would come to a very hurried stop.
On a side note...My high school physics teacher actually did an experiment where he figured the difference between stopping at every chance and keeping rolling whenever possible. He estimated a 25% increase in mileage by just rolling and not coming to rest. Acceleration kills mileage. - violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Apparently it has a lot to do with their technique.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1224 - d4n13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6116 was achieved by Teddy-Girl. The article was written about Toya. See posts below for the article on Teddy-Girl
- shredomatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I thought these fancy electric type cars could recover energy from braking? Something like those old bicycle lights where the generator rubs against the wheel?
- joshuastarr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I used 1/16th of my tank backing out of my driveway in my BMW. I win!
- harrier666, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8That's more or less what the prius does. And if you get the UK hack (as they sell the prius elsewhere with the option, just not in the good ol United States of Oil) you have a button which will limit the car to using only the electric motor up to a certain speed. 37 for us. I get around to the grocery store, taco bell, local head shop, without spending a penny on gas. Then when I hop on the freeway to go to work, the gas engine kicks in and recharges the battery too. Without hacks, we get 60 on an older prius. The newer ones should do even better. Not an ad for prius' mind you. I hate the ***** car. But for getting to and from places it ain't bad. Just keep the porsche in the garage for when you REALLY wanna drive!
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6*sigh*
Regenerative braking only serves to recharge the electric motor's battery. It does nothing to effect MPG on its own.
The reason that the Prius' city mileage is higher is because in some low-speed situations, the engine is not running at all. No fuel consumption = ∞mpg. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Probably not very high. Speed limits in Japan max out at 100 kph, or about 62 mph, and that's only for divided highways. Most roads in town top out at 40 or 60 kph.
- d4n13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The article only mentions the 116mpg achievement in passing. It was achieved by Teddy-Girl on an unmodified stock car. New tires and instrumentation were added, but that's about it. It was the tank average for her daily commutes. She reset her trip counter when she filled up and drove 2,343.1 km (1,455.9 mi) before she filled up again. When she did, the pump shut off at 49.13 L (12.9 gal). At the time of fill-up, the Engine Control Unit (ECU) calculated the mileage (presumably from injector volume) at 49.1 km/L (115.5 mpg). The gas-in-tank calculation yields 112 mpg. There is usually a 3-5% variations in calculated -vs- actual mileage is fairly common on these cars.
English thread on the attempt: http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1793
Original Post: http://eshy.s22.xrea.com/cgi-bin/c-board/c-board.cgi?cmd=ntr;tree=6632;id=epv1710
11011011 - Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Please read the article and above post. Up to 116mpg means that during certain driving situations the instantaneous fuel usage was that high. No need to mark as inaccurate.
- Chazzer3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I ask one thing, why doesn't it come like that, stock?
Charlie - - ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@njank and flag:
Too bad that you forgot about the whole "supply side" of economics. Gas is still very plentiful, and if they tried to jack up prices because of low demand, someone else would jump in to sell it at a cheaper price, since gas is now an inelastic good with plenty of substitutes. - capran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4OK, this may be interesting, but why the hell does the site keep causing my Firefox browser to crash?
- sebnukem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've heard and read many stories, ranging from 80 to 118mpg.
- Branyers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Whenever I see guys driving big trucks, especially when unnecessary, I immediately think they're trying to compensate for their lack of masculinity. Big truck driver = closet *****?
- ahecht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Probably less than the 2007, at least on the sticker, since the MPG calculation is going to change in 2008 so that it only measures miles per gallon when running on the gas engine alone (therefore reducing most of the hybrid advantage, which comes from using the electric motor instead of or to supplement the gas engine).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The volume and pressure of nitrogen stays more constant than regular air when the temperature changes.
Since I run with straight air, I always keep a tire gauge in the glove box so I can check my tire pressures every time I fill up. Nothing kills your mileage like under inflated tires. - sketchstudios, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3does anyone know how many MPG the 2008 prius will have? I heard it would be about double what the 2007 model has...
- icexe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That "pulse and glide" technique seems pretty cool. I bet it wont; be long until Toyota finds a way to make the car's computer controls mimic that technique.
- VorpalK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The next "new" Prius model will be 2009, since Toyota usually keeps a body style for five years.
As another poster indicated, the sticker mileage will go down, due to the more accurate EPA testing. - whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Too cool!
I would buy one of these today if i could. - capran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not many people keep their cars for 21 years! And I've only seen a handful of cars with 250,000 miles, and they're old beaters.
- redneckblues, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Besides, these cars aren't manuals, they have CVT's.
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