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- vwsavage120, on 03/31/2008, -9/+205I stopped buying from creative long ago. Creative FTL!
- Raidendesu, on 03/31/2008, -15/+149IM IN UR SOUNDCARDS
STEALIN YER CUSTOMERS - tehpwnerofn00bs, on 03/31/2008, -7/+139I hope they never recover from this. The morons have been mistreating their customers for far too long.
- Vlatro, on 03/31/2008, -1/+117Here's an idea, Don't sue the guy, HIRE HIM!
- Abomonog, on 03/31/2008, -5/+95There was no requirement to pay for the 3rd party drivers. Taking donations is not the same as charging. If he was profiting it was off of peoples good will in as much as driver production. Nothing wrong there.
Creative was purposely creating stunted drivers for Vista, thus violating good business practices and coercing customers to buy upgraded products. Products that still did not work properly in Vista. Daniel_K fixed this.
3rd party drivers for products have been a tradition for years. There are 3rd party driver for virtually every NVidia product out there. Overclock utilities, system monitors, alternative drivers. You name it and someone has written an alternative version for a NVidia product. NVidia responded by releasing source codes for their released drivers sets. All of them! NVIDIA MADE IT EASIER TO MAKE 3RD PARTY DRIVERS! There are now as a result, Vista drivers for TNT2 grade cards. Why can't Creative do the same?
Corporate greed has trumped good production values and good business in Creative's case. And now they have violate the customer bases good faith and trust.
Now tell me what is not wrong with it. - slngsht, on 03/31/2008, -7/+74I signed up for Digg just because of this mess!
- BoneheadFarker, on 03/31/2008, -5/+63Well...what he did was technically wrong, yes. Then again, forcing people to buy new hardware because you refuse to make proper drivers for your current hardware is technically wrong too. So, technically, they're even...
- Mothrog, on 03/31/2008, -5/+54"The guy was doing something illegal... why is Creative at fault for telling him to stop his illegal activities?"
Because Creative has yet to provide usable drivers for Vista users, but this guy had done just that. Until Creative can manage to provide useful drivers for their OWN HARDWARE, this guy should be allowed to continue. - dglkn, on 03/31/2008, -3/+52This is just bad business on Creative's part
- thetanbark, on 03/31/2008, -20/+67Creative was just upset about Daniel_K asking for donations, aka, profiting from hacking their IP. If he had just been doing it for free, they might not have cared so much.
- jeremyduffy, on 03/31/2008, -33/+75Ok am I the only one who's confused about what the problem is? This guy was profiting on Creative's intellectual property. If Creative had secretly used something under the GNU license and got caught, the web would have exploded. In reverse, it's "bad Creative!"?
I thought the forum posting that supposedly started it all was very polite, and never threatened leagal action. They didn't even kick him from the boards. - Wetzilla, on 03/31/2008, -18/+54And I'm pretty sure they even said that if he didn't use their intellectual property that it was ok. The problem here is Digg users love to jump all over any big company, as long as it isn't Apple. Notice no one cares when Apple sends out C&D orders to people TALKING about upcoming Apple products.
- SirZRX, on 03/31/2008, -5/+37Daniel deserves donations IMO, he is wasting his time doing some others people work, and donations are optional.
- boldfacelies, on 03/31/2008, -1/+33MAH ASSOCIATES HAV INFORM'D ME U KNO WHERE MAH DRIVERS IS AT
- zakool21, on 03/31/2008, -3/+34Indeed. This is a riot (almost).
http://boycottcreative.com/ - HrnyGoat, on 03/31/2008, -3/+33The X-Fi is a great chipset, but is crippled by terrible support hardware, such as poor op-amps and bad capacitors. The Auzentech X-Fi Prelude is the only card that actually makes good use of the chipset - not to mention far better driver support. I would love to see Creative go under and Auzentech get the rights to the X-Fi chipset.
- Etchii, on 03/31/2008, -0/+29Welcome!!
- pAq6Swad, on 09/16/2008, -1/+28Good job, everyone digg the comment. Except Creative didn't change their mind, so maybe you should read the forums. They're going to let him continue on the Audigy stuff, but not the hacks of previous Creative .dlls (which is exactly why they said they were banning the acct in the first place, and which is basically most of what he was doing). They've also still disabled giving him donations. Please refrain from the retardation.
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 03/31/2008, -0/+27Is it just me or does this seem to highlight the need for 'Open specs' for hardware(for all OS's). If the spec for the hardware were open then a developer could write the driver on there own and not have to deal with this BS. It seem strange that companies try so hard to be 'in control' of there driver software, but fail to actually do the work required to update them when needed. If the hardware's driver info were open, it could save the company money/time/effort be letting others update and fix there drivers(they just certify which changes are ok..).
- Kevleviathan, on 03/31/2008, -10/+34lol, even a cafepress store for this shiz now.
http://www.cafepress.com/creativesucks - Tyrindor, on 03/31/2008, -5/+27The thousands of X-Fi + Vista users would disagree with you.
- chuckamuck, on 03/31/2008, -2/+23I quit buying Creative sound cards 7-8 years ago when I heard how much better the Turtle Beach cards sounded. I honestly didn't know Creative was still in business....I thought they had a FAIL years ago!
- kmoed, on 03/31/2008, -1/+21Just purchase something else. The easiest way to send a company a message is to not buy there products. Calling them a monopoly is a joke.
- halleyscomet, on 03/31/2008, -4/+24Wait, you've never heard of overclock.net? You think it's an obscure forum no one cares about?
Jesus you're an ignorant newbie. I'll bet you never even HEARD of water cooled CPUs until you saw a kit in Microcenter. I'd further wager you were only in the "Build your own computer" section because you were looking for some cool LED lights to pimp out your PC and you needed help to install the LED lights.
No, you sound dumb enough to have paid an instillation fee.
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Damn ignorant kids these days, no appreciation for digital culture. I'll bet the twerp was still in diapers during the heyday of Usenet and he doesn't even know WHAT a BBS was. Probably thinks the Internet STARTED with Facebook.
} //End Old coot Mode - inactive, on 03/31/2008, -0/+19He is not breaking any law dumbass. an EULA is not a contract in Saner parts of the world. He might be breaking this agreement but he is definitely not breaking any laws.
- p3ngwin, on 03/31/2008, -0/+19what he did may have been against some law, but it was "good" (if you believe in such antiquated ideas).
they may be inside the law, but they are doing "bad".
the law doesn't define what is good/bad.
think every law is good? - hexydes, on 03/31/2008, -1/+19Yeah, Apple just removes the option to find your own sound card. That does sound like a much better deal...
- Fungus53, on 03/31/2008, -0/+17How ironic, you *****.
- Tyrindor, on 03/31/2008, -16/+33Sorry for the bad picture, is there a way to change it? This was my first submit. :)
- p3ngwin, on 03/31/2008, -0/+17...and even that alone will get you my digg :)
- halleyscomet, on 03/31/2008, -1/+17While you're being dugg down, you have a point. If Creative wants to castrate their products to have little to no Vista functionality and block the distribution of drivers that allow older (A Year or two, we're not talking about original Soundblaster 16) cards to work under Vista, then they have the right to do that.
What they're doing is forcing people to upgrade their Sound Cards to run with Vista, something that will cause many consumers to switch brands. It's one thing to have too replace a five year old Sound Card, but we're talking abut cards less than a year or two old that no longer function in the latest Windows release. Creative is basically saying "Get a new, high end card every year or we'll screw you over." The real message people will take from this is not "Creative is protecting their IP" but "Creative is forcing me to use inferior drivers."
The SMART thing to do would have been to hire this guy. It could have been a Public Relations Coup. Instead of looking the hero, or like a forward thinking company who puts the customer first, they end up looking like money grubbing jackasses who can't be trusted to produce a reliable, stable product. Having owned Creative products in the past, I can attest to the fact that their drivers have been garbage for a long time. Anyone who can make that unstable pile of steaming bloat ware WORK has my respect. - GliTCH82, on 03/31/2008, -0/+16Actually, that's not true, the X-Fi had Dolby Digital support under XP, and Creative didn't feel like licensing it for Vista, but they neglected to mention that part to their customers and gave us the impression that they couldn't enable it yet due to technical reasons relating to driver development.
"Sound Blaster X-Fi's THX certification, Dolby® Digital EX1 and DTS-ES1 support means your PC hub can be transformed into a virtual home theater. "
http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?c ... - lamiaconfitor, on 03/31/2008, -0/+15bad move, this is haunting you creative. why the hell didn't you just give the poor guy a job offer? I couldn't think of a better resume then, "Oh yeah, I fixed your product." this was a good PR opportunity gone waaay bad. imagine what all the computer geeks all over the globe would say about you if you had done that?
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -2/+17It isn't because Creative is a "big company." It's because Creative has a repeated history of selling extremely crappy products which they go on to never support. Whether or not Daniel_K is in the right, I'm glad this topic came up because it's helping get the word out that you'll probably regret buying a Creative product.
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -0/+14If they said the product was Vista Compatible then it better be ***** Vista Compatible. the Damn drivers are crippled and crash all the time. MS is troble for their Vista Capable Fiasco so why the hell should creative not be.
- MortalynFlux, on 03/31/2008, -0/+14I stopped buying a few years ago after I bought an external USB Audigy which later turned out to be 16 bit only, not 32 bit, like the box said. I was notified to sign up for a class action lawsuit. The lawsuit was won, and hoping to get cash, I instead got a 20% off coupon for a more expensive, similar product. I'm sure Creative still made a profit from the people who used the coupon. Didn't seem right.
- slowbox, on 03/31/2008, -0/+14They probably wont see a big hurt right away, but a slow decline in business as Geeks who read forums like this gradually influence creative's consumers by word of mouth. Creative is hurting their (basically) most intelligent and core user group, and the backlash looks pretty fierce. I'm surprised Creative hasn't simply deleted their entire official forum as it is taking a beating right now.
- das7282, on 03/31/2008, -0/+14Why would Creative want you to be able to use their "old" junk when you should be buying their "new" junk?
- legendxx, on 03/31/2008, -3/+16Omega drivers for ATI were the ***** and totally 3rd party. I haven't had an ATI card for a while so I don't know what the status is on them. And no, a donation is not the same as a sale - Donation's are tax deductible :)
Also, Creative is advertising their products as Vista compatible.. so Creative is way more volatile in a legal sense than Daniel_K is for tweaking a clear-text file and offering it to the public free of charge. - Godlike, on 03/31/2008, -0/+13They have been using SiS ***** for years, the same company that makes BIOS/mobo systems that overload HDD's and nic's that crash every 8 hours randomly is now making bad vista drivers and being ***** about it?
Big ***** surprise. The biggest name in _______ yet again turn out to be the biggest ***** corp in the world. - halleyscomet, on 03/31/2008, -1/+13Uhm, no it hasn't. The guy is still banned from releasing drivers that deliver on the promises made on the sound card packaging. In what sense is it "resolved"?
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -1/+13Might be strange for you to hear, but the desire for money ISN'T the be-all and end-all of life. It's ok to shaft customers if you're making money doing it? While what Daniel did WAS wrong by the strict letter of the law, the situation he stepped into shouldn't have arisen in the first place. If Creative had been releasing proper drivers that didn't cripple their older hardware on newer systems, no-one would have felt the need to step into the breach with homemade driver solutions and Creative might have retained their most loyal customers. As it is, they deserve everything they have coming to them.
This is also a part of life: if you treat customers like *****, don't be surprised when they return the compliment. - surasshu, on 03/31/2008, -1/+13I care :(
- inactive, on 03/31/2008, -4/+16OH *****! an internet petition? i hope their resumes are up to date cause they're gonna be out of work by this time next week.
- Aitese, on 03/31/2008, -0/+12Donations are optional therefore he WAS doing it for free...it was up to you to donate or not. Most people I'm sure did not.
- iLEZ, on 03/31/2008, -0/+11Enjoy your stay!
- sovietninja, on 03/31/2008, -7/+18I returned my overpriced X-fi fatality to Best Buy about a week ago. The damn thing was created for Battlefield 2 yet after the UAV goes off snap crackle pop ensued. Creative told me it was my Nvidia nForce 4 chip at fault and that the PCI bus was being overloaded. Got my $165 bucks back and bought the Razer Barracuda AC-1 which actually supports DDL and DTS Interactive and automatically uses SDPIF throughput when playing movies. I received a free Bose Lifestyle 28 system from a friend who recently upgraded to something bigger, which I promptly hooked up with an $2 monster cable optical cord and I couldn't believe how good Razer card actually was and it was only 58 bucks from buy.com. So now do I not only have a bunch of annoying blue leds from my joystick and case/case fans, and the annoying red leds from my sidewinder mouse, I got a totally useful RAZER logo glowing in my case which is loads better than Fatality's wanna be GI Joe logo. However now I gotta figure out what to do with my Promedia 2.1s.
/end rant - raitchison, on 03/31/2008, -0/+11Class Action lawsuits usually work out that way, the people who are the theoretical victims get some pathetically small "settlement" and the lawyers come away with millions.
- consoneo, on 03/31/2008, -2/+13The problem is that OLDER cards don't work with Vista and they're not fixing the drivers. Not necessarily the new ones.
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