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- PaiZuri, on 10/12/2007, -15/+49It's over. BluRay won. Go take twenty minutes to cry into your pillows if you must.
But nothing will change the fact that Nielsen has BluRay now up to a 4 to 1 sales lead and growing along with DVD sites like:
http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp
Toshiba's only supporter, Microsoft, is dumping HD-DVD and Sony just had the most successful European launch ever putting a million new BluRay players into the market this month and those numbers will continue to grow every month.
Sorry if you were too blind with hatred to see the obvious a year ago. - chris4404, on 10/12/2007, -10/+40Digg me down but no its not "enough." Some people just want the best, its why you buy a Core Duo over a Celeron.
- pwnage24, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25what are u talking about? there are blu ray drives
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Either you're blind, or you watched all three on an SDTV.
- td4guy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20No, it's not high enough quality. You usually can't even see textures on surfaces with standard DVDs. That's why I love hi-def.
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20And HD-DVD doesn't have DRM? Oh wait, yes it does.
- joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Sony isn't supporting porn (different from not letting them),
If you read the article you would see that both formats have porn. - magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19wait i forgot this must be hate on Sony day even when you have no ***** clue what your talking about....
- Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Who are these "Most people" of which you speak?
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19The only problem with your analogy is that all the different editions still play on your DVD player. If you put an HD-DVD into a Blu-Ray player, the player will probably give you a confused look and then burst into flames.
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23I don't know about you, but my DVDs look like deep fried ass on my 1080p TV. Some scenes look fine, but anything dark is really blocky. Ever since I bought the TV I've paid a lot more attention to the hi def format wars.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Since when was red a neutral color? O_O
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17What kind of TV was it?
- dieselstation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15hahaha.. um.. there are actually MORE Blu-Ray drives and blank media for PC's then there are for HD-DVD. Also.. have you checked the manufacturer support list lately? It's not "in the hands of Sony". They invented it.. but they there LOTS of companies backing it. You think these other players would be in the game if Sony had all the control?
- KirinDave, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Microsoft's refusal to integrate the HD-DVD with their console seems to be what's killed the format. HD-DVD had such a huge lead, if MS would have stepped behind it, they could have buried Blu-ray in spite of its slightly superior tech. At the same time, the surge in Blu-ray sales highlights that the PS3 is one of the cheapest Blu-ray players on the market, meaning that people will come for the blu-ray and stay for the games. MS has given their major console competitor* an enormous advantage because they didn't want to take sides.
So if nothing else, this whole debacle just shows that MS didn't play things smart, and Sony did. They could have buried the PS3 and Blu-ray out of the gate, but they didn't, and now Sony is starting to build momentum with their platform.
* Nintendo's Wii doesn't really compete in this space. People will probably buy a Wii regardless of them having a PS3 or Xbox 360. While both are game machines, the media center aspect is major part of the total package for PS3 and 360 owners. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Nah digital storage is still a ways out. I have 500 movies on DVD. When I convert that to HD I'll need roughly 15 gig per movie that's 7500 gig. At $200 per 500 gig I need what 15 harddrives........that's $3000 not including the price of the movies and computer equipment it run them. Yes I could Re-download previously purchased movies but 15 gig takes quite a while to download even at the fastest speed. This may be the last physical storage but it's stil gonna have a life of ten years or more.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Too bad it'll never be cheap enough for mass market.
I for one refuse to pay $10,000 a movie - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14FALSE!!!!! Porn will be on blu-ray. The rumor that it would not was a lie made up by MS fanboys and propagated by others MS fanboys like Alex Albrecth
- ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13What size TV are you watching DVDs on? As the TV gets bigger, you notice the DVD quality sucking more and more.
In addition, the more you get used to watching regular TV programming at HD quality, the worse DVDs look.
What's going to happen is both formats are going to be supported in newer players, and consumers aren't really going to give a *****. The formats will duke it out based purely on features and studio politics, and gradually one of the formats will pull far enough ahead that those backing the other format will give in to market economics and switch over. - rstarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12If I recall the Hi-Def pr0n didn't test well with consumers.
It was a bit to real. I know I read it on digg a long time ago, but the search is down for me right now. - tobikow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13wait, recall that there were some people who passed off dvds altogether as a gimmick, and stayed with VHS waiting for the next format? isnt this the "next" format?
- magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16@Flamekebab
Yes a million .. well actually more like 2.2 million. - zioxide, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"The pr0n industry has already backed HD-DVD. Sony won't let them put content on BRD."
Not true. Sony wouldn't use the porn industry to use the Sony production lines for porn. However, the porn industry can buy their own blu-ray duplicators and make them on their own. - ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10HD porn is already here in both formats. All you need is better looking actors and better make-up. It has nothing to do with "testing well" or not. People now have large TVs and don't want a low resolution video source because it looks like ***** when it is that large.
- zioxide, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Good story. Blu-ray is probably going to win, because it has more studio support. When Universal realizes this and switches, HD-DVD is pretty much dead.
- blake10, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12here is my confusion...from the article:
"While Blu-ray’s 50 gigabytes of storage may sound impressive, it is simply not enough for “real” HD, which takes hundreds of gigabytes to store. It must be reduced in size while retaining as much quality as possible using compression."
if blu-ray has 50GB of storage but is still compressed and HD-DVD has 30GB of storage but is still compressed...isn't blu-ray better b/c the movie would require less compression than hd-dvd? - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The price point is silly - would you buy a box of plastic that did nothing, even if it were only a penny?
That is effectively what you are getting with HD-DVD, since there are a number of major studios that are Blu-Ray only. If you could get a cheap player that was gauranteed never to play a movie from Pixar, why would you buy that at any price?
Not only do an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE more people own Blu-Ray players now, but there is a broader range of movies coming out from Blu-Ray also. There just is no way HD-DVD can overcome this problem, from every angle they come out the worse. - locutus24, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18Great story very complete
- Kwipper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9but why in the hell would ANYONE want to download 15 - 25 - 50 GB single movie file from the internet? I think that in itself is a way of preventing people from distributing blu-ray and hd-dvd over the internet. At least until broadband speeds get so fast where you can download a 50GB movie file in an hour.
- lcc213, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Need this kind of info to make intelligent purchases.
- Akyan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I really don't care by this point, I just want to one to win so I can go out and buy a player without worrying about it being obsolete in like 6/12 months.
- Laxaloot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8rtfa... "Round 3 – Porn" direct from the article
edit: joshman5k beat me - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Microsoft was a backer of HD-DVD. But since microsfot didn't include the HD_DVD player in the 360 elite I'm thinking they only backed it because it was running against Sony.
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10The problem with that theory is the 360 would have never come in at $399 (ignoring the gimped 360 tard pack). Microsoft would be subject to the same pricing criticisms Sony's receiving, and would have nowhere near the install base they have now.
- Zamfir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10...and other companies are *not* greedy!? Every company in existence has but one goal: Make as much profit as possible. If you think companies are in business to be nice, then you need to return to reality.
You're logic is well... illogical. - gapotter, on 10/12/2007, -12/+18I think HD-DVD and Blu Ray will both be obsolete within 5 years - it's all about holographic media!
http://www.inphase-technologies.com/
Hopefully we can get 300GB Holographic Discs to the consumer soon - and better yet - they don't spin! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7MS couldn't take sides. HD DVD loads DVDs slower than DVD drives do. Putting an HD DVD drive in the 360 would've crippled its ability to play 360 games.
Though Bluray is faster, and doesn't suffer from variable disc speeds (it loads at a constant rate across the disc, thus being a huge advantage, plus it supports multiplexed loading, which is even better for games that use streaming like Grand Theft Auto) - Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8what is this sole company crap? you mean most companies? yeah... most companies are backing blu-ray... that must be what you meant, cause its true.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Irrelevant since you can do that online already. Porn is not a media type that will factor at all in the winner of this war.
- Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Yeah... HI-Def is TOTALLY worth it. You can't even understand what is going on in a movie unless, as td4guy suggested, you can see textures on surfaces. Watching "The Fugitive" on VHS is NOTHING compared to what it would be like watching it on Blu-Ray.
... - dieselstation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Holographic media will go the way of LaserDisc if there is no one to back it up.
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The comment above mine makes a very good point about storage costs. Another big problem is bandwidth infrastructure in North America. Under half of the U.S. has broadband (isn't it somewhere in the 30-40% range?) and so how are they going to get this digitally distributed media? I have a 6Mbps connection at home and even then it would be more time efficient for me to drive to the store and back to buy the movie.
- ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I stopped reading when he misspelled HD DVD... over and over and over again.
Marked Inaccurate.
And for the record Porn did not decide the format war. It is a myth. A good story... nothing more. The first 3 movies I ever saw on video cassette were Jaws, Deep Throat and The Story of O. Two of which were X rated. All on Beta, all when VHS was in it's infancy. The Betamax format lost the format war in the home (although became a industry standard in the studio) because Sony thought people cared about picture quality. VHS had features, features, features. When Beta could only record 1 hour; VHS could record 2. When Beta could record 2 hours; VHS could record 4. VHS introduced fast forward picture search months before Beta did. Who cared if it barely worked. Beta, in the eyes of the average america came off looking like they were a day late, and a dollar short to VHS. - dieselstation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Who the hell needs airplanes? Trains are JUST AS GOOD.
- Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11chris4404, the reason I bought a Core Duo is because it's excellent for video encoding and gaming. I actually find the Core Duo useful, whereas getting a bigger TV is less related to utility, if at all.
- Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6and while you're been twiddling your thumbs waiting for someone to win, I've been enjoying more blu-ray movies than i can count! have fun watching nothing while the rest of us enjoy our 1080p high def content tonight. open youre eyes... blu-ray won.
- arkowi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6it's like the people with their color TVs. they are bigger AND more expensive.
personally i'd rather stick with my black & white TV. - elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I give a *****, but I can't afford a HDTV.
- dieselstation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This page should be plenty enough for you.
http://www.blu-ray.com/drives/
As for comparing it to UMD, MS, ATRAC, etc..well.. stop it. It's not the same. It's not as closed a format as you might think. There is WAY more industry support with Blu-Ray then it is with those other formats. Whatever your preconceived notions of Sony as a company may be, please don't apply those old notions to Blu-Ray. - DarkShroud, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I marked this as inaccurate. Blu-ray players support mpeg 4 standards (H.264) and they are dropping to $300 in price. Not to mention that Blu-ray is future proofed, it can go up to 8 layers at 25 gigs a layer for a total of 200 gigs at the max level. And if all of that is H.264 video that will be a lot of video play back. HD-DVDs can go up to 3 layers at 15 gigs.
And to the comments about MS and the 360. Bill didn't include the drive because he didn't want to be limited. MS said awhile ago they would even release an external Blu-ray drive if the market dictated it. -
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