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- halfcockedjack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1565nm is great... good that AMD finally made it there. But it seems like it's going to take more than just a process shrink to grab the lead from Intel again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12It's like I want to say something funny, but there's no jokes here.
- lostmongoose, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Oh, you mean Intel's twin dual core dies strapped together with the silicon version of duct-tape? When they get a REAL quad core chip on the market, then you can talk.
- rschwarze, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11AMD cpu's still consume much less power than the core 2 platform:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/25/green_machine/page4.html
So for me, its way better than any Intel. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7And I repeat, there are still no jokes here :)
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My P4 3.2Ghz is starting to feel smaller and smaller these days. :(
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The x2's dropped a long time ago. I picked up an x2 3800+ for $150 from newegg about a month ago. AM2 or 939, they're way cheaper than they were back in May.
- antron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Will this be a Socket AM2 only release, or will they release some Socket 939 versions too?
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I just want to know when Newegg will honor the new 5000+ MSRP of around $330.
- tgunner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@caleb4mj
For such a long, and thought out response, you'd think that you would have realized that GHz doesn't equate to performance. Intel spread this notion with the Netburst architecture, and now basically refutes it with the Core architecture. AMD has been saying this all along, thus the XXXX+ rating system. A 3 GHz dual core doesn't make as much sense as a 2.6 GHz quad core.... - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Here's some of the upcoming stuff from AMD and Intel, you decide if AMD is in trouble or not:
http://digg.com/tech_news/Torrenza_AMD_s_Open_Socket_Strategy
http://digg.com/hardware/First_Pics_of_Intel_s_Tera_Scale_CPU
Their socket architecture is going to be exploited in ways Intel has yet to develop for the public. Intel has a great idea for the Tera Scale... but AMD no doubt has similar plans, and the Hypertransport socket will let AMD-based systems mix processors, such as adding IBM-Sony's Cell.
You'll be hearing more about all this in coming weeks, but you can be sure AMD has a surprise in store that's going to beat the Core 2. - carl0ski, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5over clocker does care about lower power
Lower Power and heat waste means you can bump the speed higher before it reaches the heat of the competitor. - goat77, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8Indeed. AMD is essentially dead until K8L is released.
- caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"...but you can be sure AMD has a surprise in store that's going to beat the Core 2."
Probably, but they have to create the markets, generate the synergies, etc. And I bet they'll still market it as a premium "enthusiast" platform. - caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0On the other hand you have to admit these are the best chips we've ever seen, but I would compare them to the Celeron 300A which was cheap, could easily overclock 50-100%, and helped Intel keep its lead when times were tough. It wasn't until the Athlon 64 came out when AMD took the obvious lead in technology. Then it took a few years for the word to spread. Most people still thought Intel's P4s were better up until the X2s proved to them what we've been saying all along, far more efficient and better design.
Then Intel goes and redesigns its core. The Pentium-M in my laptop is an amazing chip, clock for clock faster than my Athlon XP, more efficient, tons of cache, etc. I knew Intel was going to wipe the floor with this core if AMD did nothing, so I said exactly that for months. AMD finally cut their prices after the core 2 launch. I said they needed dual core 3 Ghz chips out, etc. Not that my opinion matters or anything. But to me it does. So to make me happy now they have to remove the clock multiplier lock or clearly win those price/performance marks like back in the good ol' days.
I'm not your average consumer, I pay attention to details, and those clock multiplier locks are a cheap way to keep me, AMD and Intel's customer, from getting the most out of their products. Price/Performance/Compatibility leads my purchasing decisions and no amount of marketing rhetoric hides this data.
If I'm locked out then I have to take the raw numbers as they are, I can't take into account the architecture's design, future potential, etc. Not when we keep breaking backward compatibility, charging premium prices for last years tech, etc, etc, etc. To me its about more than just business, its also about customers and their wishes.. the human side of it all.. y'know, AMD needs cash.. and I need cache.. /shrug/ - killthelight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2i don't really know the significance of this. i mean, 65nm is good, but it'd be nice if they talked about performance increases, etc. - will this help them catch up to the core duos or not?
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I believe that AMD plans to offer similar models for both 939 and AM2 up until quad-core comes out.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@caleb4mj
AMD's primary hurdle was getting to 65nm. Now that they've done that, you will see much better stuff from them.
Their 90nm chips were beating 65nm P4s anyway, the Core 2 is a new generation design which AMD hasn't yet released an equivalent of, yet their existing last generation chips are still able to compete with it.
I use Intel chips mostly anyway, I'm not advocating AMD, it's just clear that they're going to release something big in coming months to beat Intel again. - axisds, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Intel is definitely cleaning up. If AMD can market itself right and take advantage of their new friend ATi maybe something that might shake things up again.
- caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I am an AMD advocate.
nobody's perfect - caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Oh, this is server hardware. AMD owns the servers. Intel has their Itanic, but AMD's Opteron pwn3d this market. They will maintain their lead here for a long time. All my comments are strictly desktop oriented, sorry.
- caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0No, not without unlocking their CPU clock multipliers, but this might help them drop prices enough to be competitive again.
I know I won't be buying one anytime soon. Just got me a new core 2 system for around $500. I'm interested in playing with Xen and Intel's VT instructions. AFAIK AMD's support in Xen is still beta and I'm upset they didn't cut prices earlier, or make deeper cuts or at least admit mistakes have been made instead of acting like they're still beating Intel. They have a little momentum, but it won't last the way they spend it.
To get me to buy one they have to remove the clock multiplier lock or be much cheaper than Intel. AM2 mobo chipsets overclock like crap compared to Intel's, from what I've read and my own experience, but we'll see tonight how this cheap core 2 performs. My next comments may be about how cheap core 2s suck just as much as cheap AM2s. - NGNR, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1
Hmm....
Brisbane nicknames and trivia
Some local residents have given the city nicknames:
Brissy ("Brizzie") - a simple contraction that is sometimes spoken but almost never written.
Brisvegas - a cynical reference to the USA's Las Vegas due to the Treasury casino within the Brisbane CBD, housed in the converted former Treasury building (after which the casino is named) which is situated on the block between Queen Street, George Street, Elizabeth Street and William Street — combined with the proximity of Jupiter's Casino on the Gold Coast.
Brisneyland - a reference to Disneyland due to the three major theme parks operating between Brisbane and the Gold Coast, the third having commenced in 1991.
Local Brisbane residents are usually referred to as Brisbanites and (less commonly) as Brisvegans.
http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Brisbane - hhcv, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1The Gold Coast is so much better than Brisbane!
- wtf00, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1another price drop would be nice hehe... just waiting for those x2 to drop.
- tnoy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Why put four cores on one die?
Using two dies allows for a significant increase in yield rate. - wtf00, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0OOPS! wrong place.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Not that any power consuming gamer/overclocker really cares if it consumes less power :P
- scbysnx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2B3(4U$3 2 d13$ 1$ ||07 ||34rL'/ 4$ L337 |-|4>
I used http://www.brenz.net/l337Maker.asp to translate that I fealt like making an asshat comment - nigel984, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Intel and AMD will release 4x core around the same time.
- wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1That article doesn't go the step further it needs to, and compare system power consumption and performance side-by-side.
There's no apostrophe in cpus. - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -19/+5In other news, Intel releases first commercial quad core processor, further burying foot up AMD's ass.
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2Intel Clovertown? More like Intel GAYTOWN!! AMIRITE PEOPLE!?!?1
AMD K8L? More like AMD K-GAY-L! AMIRITE PEOPLE!?2/!@$
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