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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+82I fixed my 8800gtx crashing by uninstalling nTune and installing RivaTuner 2.0. I set my fans to 100% direct control and disabled gpu overclocking. Not a damn BSOD since.
I know this works on other people's cards too because I initially read it in the nvidia support forums. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+45Why the ***** are you guys digging this guy down? HE'S TRYING TO HELP.
Retards. - bromac, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Welcome to Digg.
Posting something factual does not mean that you will not be buried. If the fact is not what Digg wants to believe, they will bury you out of sight, out of mind. I think most people don't even analyze posts anymore, and just look at the Digg score to tell them what to think of it.
I weep for our species. - RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Wow, like the problems of the nvidia videocards on vista weren't enough... Only a few years ago nVidia had the most stable videocard drivers on windows, I wonder what happened...
- akilleen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14May want to check the amperage coming from the +12v line on the PSU. I was having problems with my 6800XT at one point. I discovered the +12v line on my PSU was only pushing 17 amps, when you should probably have somewhere around 20 amps for most of these new cards.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16nTune happened. Read the fix I posted below.
- childprey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Except ATI's drivers still suck.
- thethorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Unless you're having the problem ON XP. Read the post.
- Sethwm2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Yeah some of the overclocking software that comes with those cards can be scary. This is something that should be fixed. Something should be done. I think that should be clear is that Nvida just makes the chipset they do not manufacture the card. The card manufacture does a lot to the cards including adding software to overclock and to change how the card works. It could be an Nvida issue but I highly doubt it.
- bromac, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"Posting something factual does not mean that you will not be buried. If the fact is not what Digg wants to believe, they will bury you out of sight, out of mind."
I think I proved my point. - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8How about ***** ATI until they decide to make decent Linux drivers.
- Drahkar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8People need to understand that nVidia doesn't make the end card. They develop the chipset and the drivers. If you buy a PNY 8800 and are having problems with it, you need to call PNY. Same goes for eVGA. They are developing the end cards and if its a hardware problem, those are the people you need to talk to. Most times when there is a hardware problem its because of something that specific manufacturer did, not because there is a problem with the chipset that nVidia put out.
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I have a feeling ATI/AMD is about to add insult to injury when they release R600 next month.
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I just put together a new system with a Nvidia 8800 GTX on a Nforce 680i board. No problems at all.
I don't doubt that some people are definitely having problems, but to say "leave many out in the cold" and "BSODs abound" is inaccurate. - DCGaymer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Don't even think of trying to go Vista with NVidia SLI's either....everyone I've spoken with in my gaming guild said if you can get a game going the FPS really takes a hit.
- dygel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This is dumb. NVIDIA doesn't support the card: they're not the bloody manufacturer! BFG is. NVIDIA, unlike ATI, has always been in the business of chipsets and technology, not card manufacture. If you're expecting NVIDIA to support a product that they did not make, you're very much barking up the wrong tree.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Really? As an owner of an 8800GTS I couldn't be more happy!
Every game I play I completely max out the settings and watch my FPS stay gloriously high. I would like better drivers and more stability, especially for those having issues, but my system has been rock-solid running Vista.
Thank you nvidia for another amazing card! - pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@childprey: Agreed. My laptop has an x1400, and I can't say that I'm impressed with the drivers at all. So ... I guess it's coming down to the "lesser of two evils" battle.
- Recuso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you had bothered to read the article you'd see that I, and others, are using XP.
- BassJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4RTFA: HE NOT RUNNING VISTA!! FFS......Any besides nVidia aren't seeing any kickback from the "$400" he would have paid for vista if he hadn't torrented it as you seem to imagine he did!
Anyhow I think I'm done with the rant now! From the article is appears he's using a BFG card, as far as I'm aware BFG has some very good aftersales service and the cards already come overclocked? Don't quote me on this as I'm only going from what I can remember from working at a PC retailer about 15 months ago and I don't really try to keep on top of the latest and greatest GFX cards race :-)
As for what course to take next the only thing I can suggest would be to try (if you have a rather understanding and rich friend!) another 8800 preferably a different model from another manufacturer to see if the problem is still present - and in respect to this is would be interesting to see exactly what other cards are experiencing the problems....this is just my suggestion as I work as a hardware engineer and normally find the best thing to do is change things one at a time and if your still having the same problem change the only thing that would have been common in all test setups - the gfx card - victordavion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It's not nVidia's fault. It's probably the manufacturer of the card's fault. Check with them.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Hey now, this is a very limited problem.
I run an eVGA 8800GTS on an ASUS P5b-Deluxe with Windows Vista Ultimate, and I've never ever seen a BSOD. I have had a game crash once or twice, but games crashed in Vista with my 9800XT, and my roommates 7900GT, so I'm not about to peg my amazing 8800GTS.
My other roommate runs a near identical setup (we built them at the same time), and he's also never had an issue. Is this an issue with XP or something? - Recuso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Who makes the drivers, buddy?
I'm not complaining about the card, I'm complaining about the DRIVERS associated with the card. nVidia is supposed to suppor the drivers they publish -- BFG doesn't write them, eVGA doesn't write them, no other company (Except enthuisasts) writes the drivers published on nVidia.com - phraud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, I hear ya.
Honestly, I don't think this is a blanket 8800 chipset issue at all, so you may still want to look into purchasing one.
Also, I doubt your going to be running vista on a gaming rig at this point anyway. I mean, why waste the resources on Vista?
(Note, I know these problems happen in XP, but I'm talking about the general NVidia Vista driver issues - separate problem)
Just don't buy a BFG 8800, as it seems most people are having issues with that manufacturer. - biggrz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4LOL, so all the early adopters finally figure out there's risk to it huh?
Brilliant!! - phraud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So your not going to put a video card in the gaming rig?
- EvilDude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nvidia really needs to improve their drivers... in Vista, I can't even close the lid on my laptop because once the screen turns off, it wont turn on again.. This has been confirmed by others to be a driver issue (works in some drivers, but doesn't work in others)
- Fhionnlaoch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Given that I had to modify the NVIDIA install program for Vista myself in order to the driver to install, I'd say that NVIDIA needs to shape up. Vista ran much better, though, with the driver installed.
- betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you read the release notes you will see issues with changing resolution and refresh rates. Most likely you are calling a refresh rate that you monitor does not support, but it could be something else. Try renaming your profile and relauch the game and reset you video and sound settings.
- phraud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, people are ridiculous. The guy who started the thread in the article doesn't seem to understand what he's saying. NVidia tells him that they support their own products, but not those of other manufacturers, and he sits there and cries about NVidia not giving support.
If you buy a new motherboard (everything else stays the same), and you start getting BSODs, do you phone Intel/AMD, or do you phone the manufacturer of the board?
I would like to know if this problem only applies to BFG cards, and/or people over clocking their cards.
Also, people above that are mentioning that "only a few years ago NVidia had great drivers" - NVidia's drivers have been top notch for many years now. They are simply having issues (or their manufacturers are) with one product. - pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ugh, yeah, I love nVidia, but the recent news has been pissing me off about their Vista drivers, and support for the 8800 GPUs in general. I don't think I'll buy an ATi card, but they had best clean up their act.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't even touch ATI until they can copy SLI, as Crossfire is worthless, and until R600 comes out. Right now, all you'll get from them is an pre-overclocked, extremely cooled last-gen card that tries to compete with the new chips in nVidia cards. All that changes with R600 though.
In fact, for the past year, I've always loved nVidia. nVidia sells chips to manufacturers with a default clock speed and allows manufacturers to adjust it. ATI sells them pre-overclocked and disallows manufacturers from playing with the clocks for performance. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, this almost makes me grateful for only having the driver occasionally crashing in Vista, and not get actual BSOD's. Especially in Vista where the driver runs more in user mode than before and "shouldn't" crash the OS as easily, those lead me to believe it's more about the hardware than a poor driver. :-/ I sure hope the customer pressure and technological immaturity of these cards haven't lead some to ship more faulty hardware than usual.
Unless it *is* e.g. an nTune issue (I've also heard reports of this leading to some instability), it would be interesting to hear about which brands have these problems. If it's wide spread or just limited to a number of "black sheeps" on the market.
It would also be good to know if these problems are seen when *not* trying to overclock, because o/c'ing can obviously open a can of worms if done wrong, and comes with few guarantees on stability. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The fix I posted works on XP.
- Starman97, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Interesting, how did you find that you were only getting 17Amps vs 20Amps?
- Recuso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Read the threads. Many have tried MUCH beefier PSUs that supply in excess of 20A on the +12V (Up to a monsterous 1000W PSU) and many still have issues.
- Crandall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Agreed 100%. I have two 7950gx's and I was having problems with mine during games. I went on the Nvidia forums and they Nvidia Tech did his best to help me. My BFG cards were factory OC'd so he suggested that I put them back to stock settings and give them a try. They worked fine after that. It wasn't a drivers issue it was a card issue which is probably the exact same thing your having.
Drivers/Chip = Nvidia
Card = BFG
Is that really so hard to understand? - phraud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I find it hard to believe that NVidia just reads reports of issues and then just sits there and does nothing. Do you think that's what they are doing, or are you just complaining?
What did you think they were going to do? Call up everyone who bought one and refund their money? They don't even make the cards.
NVidia has a history of stable drivers, and good support. I'm pretty sure they are looking into what is causing these issues. - Sethwm2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Get in contact with the company that you got it from. Look on the box and see what the company name is look for a phone number and call it. Unacceptable for a card like that to work that way. Have it replaced as many times as you need to. Also try putting it in a whole different computers
- LuisCypher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This will be resolved just like the issues with nvidia's hardware firewall and other features , "selling points ", of previous nforce mainboards.
Nvidia :"We didnt make your board, talk to the vendor."
Vendor : "Nvidia owns that tech we just license it, talk to them"
consumer :" I think i was shafted by buck passing and PR sales pitches"
I am surprised there hasn't been a class action suit against the company yet.
Serious question has anyone who purchased an Nforce motherboard been able to get all the features advertised on it to work?
I am yet to meet anyone who ever got the nvidia NIC to work with its firewall or "hardware optimisations" - SundayBrunch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I built my computer with an evga 680i motherboard plus evga 8800 gts, I haven't had any problems whatsoever. The people that have problems are probably overclocking, overclocking breaks everything. If you overclock you will constantly crash. In about 6 month I'm gonna by a second 8800 gts, put them in sli and what more does anyone need or want. No need for overclocking. By the way EVGA has decent phone service, you just leave them a messege and they call you right back, you don't have to wait on the phone, leave them your cell phone number. Overclocking breaks everything, everything I tell you. speaking from experience. Everything, for *****'s sake everything.
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well, there go the claims that Vista doesn't bsod anymore
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why didn't this guy contact the card manufacturer's customer support like Nvidia suggested he do?
Nvidia was absolutely right - they do not provide support for that product, they didn't make it or sell it.
I have an 8800GTX and have absolutely no problems under XP with any game whatsoever, and definitely have never BSOD'd.
So its entirely logical that the problem is with a specific manufacturer/model.
He doesn't even mention whether all of these people have the same manufacturers card or not.
What a moron. - dschep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've got to agree with meltingrobot here. ATI has absolutely horrific Linux drivers ( though they are making progress ) Hell, with the 9xxx series of nvidia drivers you can run beryl or compiz with out XGL or AIGLX =].
- Fumz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agreed. Pure wattage isn't what counts with video cards, it's all about amperage. I have a single +12volt rail that's underrated at 33amps. Not even a hiccup with an 8800 GTS KO edition. OCZ PowerStream 520 ftw. His Fortron Blue Storm 500 watt PSU has dual +12volt rails, but they've only got 15 amps on each rail.
Not to mention he's got the weirdest "gaming" rig I've ever seen. A server motherboard with 2 single core Opterons and only a gig of RAM to feed it?!!# That and the fact that he links completely unrelated issues makes me digg this down. - akilleen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Starman: On the PSU itself there should be a sticker of some sort to show the specs, which includes how much amperage each line is getting.
Recuso: Man, that sucks then. Sounds like NVIDIA is going to have to answer a lot of questions. - Crandall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Recuso
Try de-clocking your card a little and see if it helps any or try a third party driver. Try the Xtreme-G ones like someone listed before me, try the Omega Drivers. See if any of those make an difference. Why are you so quick to complain about something.
What motherboard are you running? A good friend of mine is running a 8800GTX on a 680i mobo and is having no problems at all, actually it works great. And after reading your computer specs I can tell you for sure that your power supply isn't cutting it. You're also running a server mobo, which is suppose to be for a server not for high end gaming. Maybe you should look into that.
It sucks that you're having these troubles and I want them to see you get them solved but you have to look at what you're running for hardware before you can even point the finger of blame at software. - Crandall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In WoW set your AA to 2x and go into the Nvidia control panel and disable multi-threaded optimizations. That might fix the issues, it's been a known problem and doing that has given some positive results.
You're right I don't own a 8800GTS but I'm trying to help, I'm not here to bash people. Return the card and try another one from that manufacturer or try and different manufacturer all together. - OrlyonokEaglet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2But what's the draw back? Fans run at 100% all the time and the gpu doesn't change clock (for example doesn't underclock when not in use)?
- TheAthlon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm running an Asus EN8800GTS on an Asus A8N5X MB (500 Watt Thermaltake PSU). I've never had a BSOD while using XP or now Vista Ultimate. This is not to say that Nvidia drivers and Ntune are not a bit borked. My main gripe with Ntune is fan speed control. The card will run very hot (61-70+C) at fan speeds below about 90%. The only way to set fan speed using Ntune in Vista is to launch the application and set the fan speed twice. It will only work if you do it twice. Then, when I reboot I have to reset the fan because the settings don't stick, and Ntune profiles won't load at anytime.
The card does work as advertised using 100 series drivers, I now game in hi-def (1680x1050 on a Gateway 22" wide-screen) at high fps. The hardware is great and the drivers and hardware control apps need work. The same thing happened with Nvidia drivers when XP was released, drivers used to enter a loop with AGP set at 4x, the default at the time for most new MB's and GeForce series cards. BSOD's happened even in 2d unless AGP was set to 2x. The problem was solved with the release of new drivers (took some time, a few months as I recall) and now nobody seems to remember the problem was even there. I suspect the same scenerio will play out with the 8800 series cards and Vista. Once the problems are solved everyone will be happy and all will be forgotten. -
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