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- britishrob, on 11/16/2007, -5/+36I can't believe their benchmarking methods, they use different settings/resolutions for each card?!!
I can see how this gives a an indication of how the games would be run on a real life setup, but it defeats the point of these articles - to COMPARE the cards on an even standing! - AtlanticVortex, on 11/15/2007, -7/+38Finally, and ATI card I actually want. Took long enough...
- necbone, on 11/16/2007, -1/+27pfft....i mess with nvidia because of the drivers... i hold no allegiance to any company... best product wins... burn in hell fanboys
- scabbers, on 11/16/2007, -0/+21Wow Crysis really is a demanding little bitch.
- inactive, on 11/16/2007, -9/+30what a stupid review. Whats the point of reviewing each card with different levels of AA/AF on them? I was surprised AMD/ATi had a better card than the 8800gt but then I saw they had the 8800gt at high AF/AA. So I went and looked at other reviews and the 3870 is slower than the 8800gt.
Looks like Nvidia has a home run hitter while ATi is stuck on second. - Superdemon, on 11/15/2007, -6/+26It's about damn time AMD did something right. They have really been slipping lately.
- daifeichu, on 11/15/2007, -6/+22Hmmm, with xmas around the corner that HD 3850 would look good in my pc.
twatt - Acidrain77, on 11/16/2007, -2/+17Running the Geforce @ a higher Res and comparing FPS... to the ATi at a lower Res
Quality Reporting.Geforce Blows ATI out of the water - antdude, on 11/16/2007, -1/+14ATI/AMD better have working Linux drivers for these new cards.
- iXneonXi, on 11/15/2007, -3/+16Anyone else notice the 666 transistors?
- Gnerma, on 11/15/2007, -5/+16I like the new ATi cards, they're pretty impressive. They're the most advanced GPUs on the market (DX10.1, 55nm, PCIe 2.0, UVD). The idle power (which is all that really matters when considering video card power consumption) is just amazing. Plus they're quiet. Otherwise same disadvantages as 2900. I would consider a 3870 if I didn't already own a 8800 GT. It would be a tough choice.
- pantuky, on 11/16/2007, -1/+12This is a questionable title for an article. Most of the benchmarks I have seen indicate that the Geforce 8800GT is winning all of the benchmarks. It is close most of the time. Sometimes it isn't. Geforce 8800GT costs a bit more right now. Good luck in finding either one of them on any shelf anywhere. 8800GT flew out of stock before you could say "Jack Rabbit". It looks like the HD38xx is a paper launch.
- johnthedebs, on 11/16/2007, -2/+13I can't believe you're the first one to comment on that...their benchmarking method was atrocious.
What the hell were they thinking? - dsmx, on 11/16/2007, -0/+11What that review basically says is that the 8800GT still is better if you can get hold of one.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 11/16/2007, -2/+12What the hell kind of benchmark is that? The benches for each card were at a different resolution/detail level than any others. That's not a goddamn benchmark because there's no common point of reference. Show us the performance of each with the same specs at multiple resolutions, you idiots. Otherwise we're left wondering how each would perform if matched with the other.
- ferrariman60, on 11/16/2007, -1/+11Lol, now I ask you to do some reading, since you're so proud of your apparent ability. Some graph reading in here to; think you're up to it? Here we go: If you look at the 4 games they tested, the 8800GT has either a higher resolution or higher AA settings in ALL 4 GAMES. Did you even look at the graphs? Be sure to do so next time. But the fact is, the 8800GT is a more powerful card if you count the 4 games they tested. In no cases is the 3870 better, sorry. Unless you count lower resolution or reduced (or no) AA to be better. I don't, I like my games to look good. That requires (In this order) native resolution, AA, or best, both.
- borninda818, on 11/15/2007, -4/+12I'd go with the 8800 GT. As of now the 8 series is still the better choice with new high end card just around the corner.
- borninda818, on 11/16/2007, -0/+7I have one...it is NOT loud as all. The benchmarks are equal or better than ATI. Often ATI scores are higher but you have to take into consideration that the testers for some odd reason did the NV benchmarks at a higher resolution. I personally don't give a ***** about power consumption, the difference will not stop global warming. I can't say much about price, obviously ATI is trying to gain some new customers because everyone is buying NV. I don't know, I like buying from the "leading company," or the company that currently holds the top card. I find it pretty pathetic that ATI is still struggling to catch up to a year old card. Plus, NV has good linux drivers :p
- kidcodea, on 11/16/2007, -0/+7errr... comparable? ut looks like a videogame. crysis is a breakthrough
- dsmx, on 11/16/2007, -2/+9So your saying it's a bad thing that ATI and Nvidia are concentrating on developing smaller, more power efficient cards that still churn out photo realistic graphics?
- TotalCarb, on 11/16/2007, -1/+8Nope, this is the best they have right now. It's pretty sad.
- britishrob, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6Yes but your missing the point. Framerates benchmarks are merely indicative of PERFORMACE. Once you've bought the components and get into a game you put your settings as high as you can while keeping an acceptable framerate.
- blapierre, on 11/16/2007, -4/+10This review is pretty misleading using different settings on the different cards. A much better review can be found here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151
- akkuma, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6HardOCP games Digg extremely hard I've come to find out. The best reviews I've found come from anandtech, yet are never on this site. They just don't do one resolution, they do numerous different settings, which in turn unlike the god awful way to review from HardOCP allows you the consumer to make the most informed decision and decide for yourself what is best. What if you're only getting 20-30fps at best and that is perfectly acceptable to you if you can save $50+? SOL with HardOCP style reviews.
- Tenoq, on 11/16/2007, -1/+7Wrong. nVidia went to launch with 50,000 8800GT cards. AMD is launching with 250,000 cards. Who paper launched? :p
- PATSCRU, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6lol mac gaming.
- kineticarl, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6Everyone is price-gouging for the 8800GT right now. Wait a few weeks when they're widely available, and the price should come down to Nvidia's msrp (hopefully).
- Endeavorer, on 11/16/2007, -1/+7http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/15/amd_radeon_ ...
Another review just if your curious (I'm a fan of tomsharware...) - bluemist, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6Anandtech has a good review of it as well:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151 - dsmx, on 11/16/2007, -1/+6Except that the next generation of nvidea cards are due out soon...
- lump1, on 11/16/2007, -0/+5I certainly did! That suits my gaming style just fine. Unfortunately, the core of the 3850 runs at a numerically unsatisfying 670MHz. Maybe I'd underclock mine by four. Then I could say "Woe to you, o earth and sea, for my graphics card has 666 Million transistors, switching 666 Million times per second!"
- keyo, on 11/16/2007, -0/+5I don't think they did anything right, it has 2/3 - 3/4 the performance of the 8800gt, big whoop. AMD still havn't got anywhere near the high end of the market where the money is to be made. Also that title is massively misleading, I was expecting something better then the 8800gtx, all I saw was a mediocre mid-range card.
- keyo, on 11/16/2007, -0/+5http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703& ...
AMD owns themselves once again, for ***** sake come up with something good or you'll go bust. I gotta go with the value and get 8800gt, which will only get cheaper. - kidcodea, on 11/16/2007, -0/+5sure, crossfire doesnt need as much juice as sli. but then crossfire is usually incompatible, slower!!!! or marginally faster than single card.
sli actually works, go figure - superal1394, on 11/16/2007, -2/+7As a long time fan of ATI cards, I have been sorely disappointed by them for the past couple years. It is nice to see them getting their heads into the game. Perhaps some real competition will return to drive down prices
- WolverineBlue, on 11/16/2007, -1/+6I remember a time when benchmarks were run at the same settings for each system... seriously, this data is worthless.
- wolvyne, on 11/15/2007, -1/+6Damn the 3870 or the Nvidia 8800GT... Think I'm going to wait for a few driver updates from AMD to see. Plus we need to wait and see what type of overclocking overhead there is for the 3870. Thanks AMD!!!
- breaks, on 11/15/2007, -1/+6the 3850 looks like an awesome HTPC card... decisions decisions. :D
- AceGoober, on 11/15/2007, -1/+5The 3870 is tempting due to its price / performance. I just might have to get one and see for myself how it handles the games I play.
- bluemist, on 11/16/2007, -1/+5I'm trying to justify my purchase of a 250$ 8800GT by downplaying the importance of DX10.1 and pointing out how comparably low the 3870 is in terms of performance. But those two are admittedly great cards and should obliterate the entire NVIDIA lineup in price-performance except 8800GT (especially if the latter card's mark-up price finally drops).
On the other hand, seeing that games like Crysis push the boundaries even with my own card, I dunno if neither video card makers really hit the sweet spot of what gamers are demanding in their graphics nowadays.
On the other other hand, some game makers like Infinity Ward are nice enough to provide beautiful enough graphics (COD4 has a highly efficient game engine!) without ridiculous system requirements. - Drizzt81, on 11/15/2007, -1/+5now if you can fold on the 3850, I am buying one :)
- secretwhistle, on 11/15/2007, -5/+9Unfortunately, due to "alleged" performance enhancement use, the card will always be listed as the ATI Radeon HD 3800*.
- Gnerma, on 11/15/2007, -3/+7The phrase at play here is, "viable alternative" as used by TheBiggG. When you look at the cards with any consideration of things other than performance, things aren't nearly as cut and dry as you seem to imply. Performance of the 3870 is not as good as the 8800 GT, but it's close enough. The $30 cheaper price tag makes up for that well enough. Add to that the significantly lower idle power consumption (23w according to Brent) which in my area (California) equals about $50 less spent on the power bill per year assuming 24 hour operation. Even if you subtract 10 bucks for gaming time (2 - 6 hours a day) where power consumption is about equal between the two cards, that's still $80 of hidden cost saved over a 2 year span.
This is bang for buck we're talking about. If you have to have the absolutely best performing system you should have had a 8800 Ultra SLI setup that chews up 250w+ at idle and cost $1000 bucks, for months now. - PATSCRU, on 11/16/2007, -0/+4"with this ATi card i will be a GOD !!!!!!"
In your bedroom at your mom's house. - SanjayM, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3Errr.. WHAT? Since When have ATI released a decent driver? The newest revision may support AIGLX in some basic forms, but is still lightyears behind the Nvidia drivers in every aspect.
- Phasmorphage, on 11/16/2007, -4/+7Well some of us don't have hundreds of dollars to dish out on expensive graphic cards.
the 8800GTX costs almost as much as my entire COMPUTER - amphibem, on 11/16/2007, -1/+4You should spend 30 seconds on Google: Vista Home Premium and Ultimate have Windows Media Center which surprise surprise, supports suitable (MPEG2 hardware encoding) TV cards. Other cards still work with the standard manufacture software. Nothing under-handed, AIW cards just aren't that good a deal for there cost and given that a stand-alone TV will last through many graphics card upgrades.
- thushan, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3The Inquirer:
http://tinyurl.com/3bvel9
"The number of the beast is HD3800" - SoundScape, on 11/16/2007, -1/+4No. The difference is Scott Pippen never had a chance of being better than MJ. He was a God.
- handler, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3I just got my 8800GT last week for $300, now this is released. The 8800GT seems to perform better still but at $100 more I'm not sure if the extra jump is worth it. Overall I'm very happy with my card though.
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