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- danr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+60Apple doesn't sell an operating system a person can put on generic hardware, they're not really in direct competition with Microsoft, like Linux is.
- stone2020, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32How does an AMD thread suddenly become Apple vs. Microsoft?
- Araxen, on 10/12/2007, -16/+48Imagine the world without AMD. We would be a much slower world!
Now if only Microsoft had a competitor! - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17@a99tandem:
Right... but if a person does purchase XP and uses it less and less and OS X more and more, they are much less apt to upgrade to Vista, or to buy XP for the new Mac they get, or to get XP for the computer they buy for their parents, etc. It's a forest v. tree kind of thing. - vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -14/+27rotten,
he said a competitor...
i kid, i kid. - Maverick83, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Desktop market share:
3.1% Mac
3% Linux
Server Market Share:
3% Apple X server
25% Linux - angelm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Maybe because the chips that cost $2000 are for 4 socket systems, an area where Intel doesn't even try to compete with Woodcrest.
I know it's now very fashionable to be pro Intel, but at least let's try to compare apples to apples. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13They are the same opterons they already had as well, they just changed the socket type in preparation for the newer processors. AMD needs to move faster then this if they want to keep up with Intel's new roadmap.
- Yogurth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm not sure how this is response, since these babies cost well over 2000 $, and the most expensive Woodcrest is ~1000 $.
- Wordlet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Or linux...I wonder if this'll bring down the prices of their other processors again?
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Even if they moved at twice the speed of Intel, there could still be periods of time where Intel was faster. If AMD released, for the sake of argument, a 4 GHz processor and then bumped the speed by a GHz every six months, but Intel released a 4 GHz processor and then bumped their speed by 2 GHz every year and a half, at the release of that new Intel chip, they'd have the fastest chip on the market. AMD would retake that crown in six months, however. I see this current situation as something along those lines. At least I hope that AMD is able to keep pace with and/or surpass Intel again. It's good for everyone if they do.
- stone2020, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Did you miss the memo about Dell?
- valis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Good question.
- dd240sx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6thats what i thought i was thinking i was reading wrong artical
- rotten777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11@danr
I think their plan is to sell x86 powered boxes that run OS X and can also run Windows. When people buy it to do both they realize how much they can use OS X and get more used to it and hooked on it.
Bottom line: Apple could put a hurting on Microsoft's revenue. That is the definition of competition. - aeiou, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Why's that? Its not like AMD sold any products to apple before. sure, intel will grow a bit because of it, but its not really taking it away from AMD because IBM/motorola/freescale were Apple's previous suppliers.
- ZapWizard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6A single CPU probably wouldn't be loaded down with as many sticks of memory as a 4 or 8-way system.
The more sticks of memory on a single you have the slower you have to run the DDR clock rate. (We are talking 8 Dimms per channel)
So it is better to just say you don't support the highest clock rate on the 8-way processors so that customers don't try to run a configuration that would be unstable. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Don't you know by now that everything that involves computers automatically becomes about Apple, Microsoft, Ubuntu and of course our favorite Bush.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Woodcrest > Opteron
- MichelRoute66, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14New to Digg and new to MAC. I've been managing IT projects for years. MS was the platform. I'm now a photographer, WEB designer and consultant. I find this debate MAC / MS childish as the fight between Nikon and Canon. Today is today, and none of you guys and girls can predict what the future will look like. Period!
- a99tandem, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@rotten As long a a user purchases Windows even to use it ONCE- Microsoft will make their money. They dont care if I boot Windows ONE time or One Million times.. they make the exact same amount of money (on the OS.) So regardless of the fact that people may use OSX primarily- MS makes their money one that ONE use.
- bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Maybe I'm missing something here, but why does the 1220, the least expensive of the bunch, utilize the best RAM?
- Spec8472, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"one uses .exe"
.exe is just an extension, it doesn't imbue any special properties on a file (except that Windows should try and execute it, instead of opening it with another application).
Getting a unified installer is more than just figuring out how to execute the installer.
I won't go into it here, but each operating system works differently (even if they run on the same hardware).
The chance that you'll get one installer that can install on any OS (without other pre-installed bits like Java, or the .NET Framework, etc), is not very likely. - aeiou, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I don't know why you are being dugg down. You bring up a good point: use the machine that fits your needs. Personally, I love macs and try tell a lot of people how great they are, but if someone is that against macs or just needs to run windows for whatever reason, thats fine.
As long as we are going with the Photography analogy: I love Canon products myself, but there is nothing particuarly wrong with nikon's. - d0om, on 10/12/2007, -6/+990% of statistics are made up on the spot.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Microsoft's Sails might lose their wind?
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"and I don't see Apple shipping Xeon based machines." *Cough* Mac Pro *Cough* Xserve *Cough*
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Too little, too late, AMD. See ya next year!
- NerdyNinja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can run some .exe files from the terminal, anyway. I made some command-line apps that basically just forked processes and monitored what order the processes would fork, and the termination order in turn. I gave them a .exe extension, ran 'em from the mac terminal. UNIX doesn't care about extensions, as near as I can tell.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Maverick
Those *might* be the right numbers for installed base. However, try the U.S. laptop share for current sales of laptops: 12%.
Also consider the rapid growth of desktop Linux. A year ago, the "desktop Linux" market was a theory. Now, check out any of the threads discussing WGA. Microsoft has given Ubuntu and SLED about $100M worth in marketing by annoying the hell out of users, while those distros are now at least as easy to install and use as Windows. Most people who have actually tried to install Linux think the latest installers are superior.
The trends are all against Microsoft. They have a long way to fall, but in three years we will be reading articles about "How did Microsoft share drop below 50%?" - johnsmithsocket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yo-yo factor.
But what I am eagerly waiting for now AMD and ATI are a couple is when Intel and nVidia elope sometime next year. Then Miscrosoft fudge packs Google.
Cheers - jetpig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2i'm just curious as to how competition would work how would installing apps work? currently there's a unified (for the most part) architecture for installing applications. we have two different major OSs.... one uses .exe and one uses a COMPLETELY different setup.... seems everyone would go with status quo.. unless the competitor were light years ahead of MS. linux is in some places, others it isn't. xgl is far ahead of aero. better effects on far less hardware. that whole unified app thing? that's why it's not gonna become major. although linux i don't think is meant to go major. when apple releases os x for just any ol hardware (OSx86 doesn't count) then maybe we'll have some competition.
- afwjam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@WyllyWylly
You must have missed the new Mac Pros and Xserves with dual xeons. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Thanks Scott! I always do that!
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Also many people are happy to install the copy of XP or Windows 2000(only on Parallels, not bootcamp) they already have, just to run the one or two programs they may still need. Personally the last program I needed to run Windows for will be available as a UB for OS X in less then a month. So a large Apple growth will hurt Microsoft's future OS sails. They will still do fine though as a large percentage of Apple users are going to buy Office anyways.
- ZapWizard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Mac's are only socially popular, in reality they are a very small chunk of the overall market.
Intel inside Macs only hurts AMD in a public exposure way...anyone notice that since the Apple-vs-PC ads started running you are seeing less Intel only ads.
And I will get dugg down for the following remark:
Since switching to Intel, Mac's are only slower clock rate x86 PCs with a different OS.
(Not saying they are slower in general) - WyllyWylly, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Mathematically speaking, that bite will be akin to what you might feel from a gnat. They have stayed at around 3% market share for a loooooooong time now, so I doubt AMD management is very worried.
Apple makes great stuff, but their hardware prices keep many a consumer away. Their move to Intel had more to do with the fact that IBM could not keep pace with the x86 platform's performance: OS X now gains the ability to crunch numbers at the same speed that the other 97% of the market has enjoyed for years.
All that aside... Opteron is a server oriented chip, and I don't see Apple shipping Xeon based machines. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Not only will AMD need to figure out a new strategy, but Intels transition to Mac will also take a bite of processor marketshare away from AMD
- FatherDEath, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0now the apple users will be taking the Intel chip sets so now the previous companies will suffer not amd
- FatherDEath, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0think of the power i can get out of those with my 64bit windows and i cant wait till vista to run on those things
- MichelRoute66, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1agree stone2020
- sapo916, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Direct X 10
COUGH COUGH COUGH - rotten777, on 10/12/2007, -43/+35Ever heard of Apple?
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1http://digg.com/tech_news/AMD_unleashes_next_generation_Opteron_chips
- FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3oops, wrong spot. sry! mod down.
- Alethinos, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4@vertigoblue, I'm a mac user myself and even i am forced to +digg your comment for the true art of sarcasm found therein.
- 81v3d07g0d, on 10/12/2007, -27/+3@rotten777 if it were a real competitor then it would have at least 40% of the market. be making a real dent in what MS in capable to doing. This isn't the case.
The problem I have with most of this stuff is that people for the most part don't even know what they are talking about. Mac are I think maybe 20 something percent of the computer market and then Linux is not even half of that. Seems to me that MS has nothing to worry about. Just because everyone says something is evil doesn't mean it is, and by the way I hate to tell you all this but the point of a corporation is to make money. I know you might like to think this isn't the case with apple, but if apple was dominant people would be making the same exact accusations about them.
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