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- quomen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49As much as I love intel products, I wish AMD could do a little better.. Competition is always healthy for the market.
- dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44I hope so, just for the sake of competition.
- bllambert, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35I am still a fan. They will make a comeback.
- ions, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31If amd goes bye bye then Intel will be back to totally ass-raping the consumer and have no real need for advancing their product at a reasonable pace.
- mysticalone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26I don't believe it was just Intel's price cuts but the technology they were able to put into their new dual core processors. Everyone wants the fastest product on the market. The huge improvement was the reason I chose Intel's processor for my sister's gaming rig.
- ZeoFateX, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Someone must be pirating all of their video cards! Using a newly developed P2P/DP2P shipping system!
Smuggle the card out in pieces and assemble it in your house!
OHNOEZ BLAME THE PIRATES! IT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER! - spd998, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Give me good ATI Linux graphics drivers and give me them now!
- chingy1788, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23AMD Still holds the leader in the budget market
and I do mean budget
Celerons and P4/Ds vs Semprons and Athlon 64/X2s - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23WARNING:
Troll post above. Do not reply.
Please don't feed the trolls.
Have a nice day. - Shuk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Remember that AMD merged with ATI, and there are still a lot of operational costs to go with it. As well, AMD hasn't released the HD 2900 XT (or whatever) yet, and their sales are now tied to nVidia's, as well as Intel's success, who has a good foothold over DX10 cards and dual core processors now. Once AMD gets the merge down smooth, they could be in for a comeback.
- conna, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Will someone seed some DX10 cards? My D/L is not picking up like it should.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Actually Intel switch sockets A LOT more than AMD does. AMD has about 10 different sockets total, Intel has 30
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_CPU_slots_and_sockets - alexonix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13shh!!! you have to keep things like this quiet!!!
- oliveroms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://www.legitreviews.com/article/490/3/
shows us a nice review if we take cpu performance per price. Sure Intel's top of the line CPU's rule atm. But what if you take a 'normal' CPU and put it across from another CPU matching price?
Read the article and find out. Also, the author has some problems concluding things, cause as far as I know, 1fps second difference is more of a measuring/other factors error, and also usually points out GPU limitation rather then CPU.
But just look at the graphs and judge for yourself. - Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Then we'll continue to spend our money elsewhere as well :-) (nvidia)
- ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That's a problem in software, there is almost no 64-bit software out there.
- STARTSOMETHING, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10i know its called a monopoly
- Daiken, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Core 2 Duo is kicking AMD's ass. It's astonishing it's had the lead for so long even after every new product AMD puts out.
- drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You may know that but the run of the mill consumer dont but what i'm really tripping on is why I never seen a AMD TV ad ever
- drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8AMD still rocks at speed for its price(till Intel cut prices on the 26th)
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/490/1/ - Kumaku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Ouch!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I like AMD but It's all going to come down to Barcelona.Can it take back the performance crown..?
- Daiken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Erm...if you read the link, you'd note only about 100 million was lost on ATI acquisition this quarter. Most of the money for that was spent last quarter I believe.
- schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No, 1.2b in revenue, Revenue=income before bills and all are paid.
- melat0nin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sadly it looks like they might have to spend money elsewhere :(
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I wish my "support the better company" gene wasn't switched off, because I want the fastest chip for the best price... and that's not AMD right now.
- EntangledPhysx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, I bought a, Asus socket 939. Great Mobo, great CPUs. There are so many sockets they use for the same CPU's, I didn't know which was better. So now I'm left with mediocre chips that are NEVER in stock for my socket 939 Mobo. It borders on madness!
- lemmingscanfly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh wow thats original, replicate a site, spam your new site on the site you're replicating and provide (false) promise of a laptop...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The 800 lb gorilla that is Intel got lazy. They won't let it happen again with the resources they have. But, Intel doesn't want to bury AMD. Funny as it sounds, it will keep them out of the courtroom.
You think AMD is doing okay financially, here are some numbers (year over year):
$611 million loss is insane. That's $1.11/share loss. Inventory way up.
Gross Margin
28.1% (Q1 '07)
58.5% (Q1 '06)
(30.4) change
Operating Margin
(40.9%) (Q1 '07)
19.4% (Q1 '06)
(60.3) change
Net Margin
(49.6%) (Q1 '07)
13.9% (Q1 '06)
(63.4) change
Good god. It's amazing their stock is still SOMEHOW at $14. - cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm going to be building a new machine soon, and I'm not sure what it will be. I've been running AMD systems now for years, since the DX4, onto the K6, into the cartridge Athlon and beyond. I've always had good luck with them, and AMD itself. When the first socket Athlons came out, the heat sinks were so hard to get on that you could break the exposed CPU. I did, and AMD sent me a new one, a faster one (They didn't have the 900Mhz in stock, so they sent me a 950Mhz) overnight. I can't complain about that.
So yea, Intel has been pricing the Core 2 very, very low to try and push AMD back. Intel is throwing it's weight around and selling their new CPU's without making high profits. It's working.
At the end of the day, I'll purchase what gives me the best bang for my buck. Right now that's the Core 2, but we'll see what happens. AMD is very much accustomed to being the underdog, and they've done some astonishing things with a market that is very unforgiving, against a company that is extremely large. I don't see them having any trouble competing with Intel with their next generation CPU. These guys are all really around the same level of technology. - cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Are you joking?
AMD didn't go out of business. They have some really fantastic products and good prices. They also have better technology in several areas, and I still firmly believe that HyperTransport is far superior to Intel's current offering. If you could put a Core 2 CPU on HyperTransport it WOULD perform much better, especially in SMP configurations. Raw CPU power isn't the end-all, and AMD's CPU's continue to outperform Intel's CPU's in machines with more then one socket, if you're doing more then running a benchmark. You'll get a LOT more out of a quad-opteron server running VMware then you will with a Core 2 Xeon 4-way.
Don't buy into the marketing hype. Core 2 is a great CPU, king of the (small) hill right now. That doesn't mean other products aren't good. - cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can't blame AMD for the lack of 64-bit. We can easily put that blame squarely on Microsoft. They've made it very difficult for people to use their 64-bit versions of Windows. Windows XP 64 was bad enough, but with Vista, instead of improving things by making it more seamless, they've made it worse by turning on this "only run signed drivers" and other *****.
Linux and OSX prove that 64-bit doesn't have to be as painful as Microsoft makes it. AMD put out a great addition to X86, and it was the first time Intel ever adopted someone else's' technology to compete. AMD64 is good. Microsoft is making it difficult. - dafragsta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm gonna blame AMD's marketing and delay in releasing the quad core. I was also under the impression that AMD was losing the price point battle (which is all that matters anymore. Gigahertz be damned.) to Intel, but it looks like they lead the way all the way up their product line. AMD seems to expect the products to sell themselves. Looks like the AMD wins out in this article for sure.
Now it's going to be a battle of production to see who can churn out the most chips for the least amount of overhead and beat the other guy at the pricepoint. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry to have to say this, I love apple, but they hardly matter at all in the in the pc hardware market.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No.
- Quad-Core doesn't matter right now. *****, dual-core hardly matters yet. This doesn't have very much effect on anything.
- Intel is a much bigger company and they are ruthlessly under-pricing their CPU's in an attempt to slow AMD's growth
- AMD spends their money on R&D and operations. They aren't as big as Intel. Intel spends many millions a year on marketing. Don't use this as a judge of the company. I will admit that I would LIKE to see more AMD advertising, but I don't blame them for not spending millions just "because the other guy does." They've done this well so far without any huge media blitz's.
- It's always been about price-point, unless you've just been believing that "MORE MHZ = BETTER" from Intel the last decade. - conna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I stand corrected.
- rkuchiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AM2, AM2+ and AM3 are supposed to be compatible with each other, so if you buy a AM2 motherboard now, you are temporarily 'future proof' (I use this term loosely).
- AZRoboto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If ATI had a DX10 Card on Market (NVidea has 2 or 3 now? And one I saw has affordable!) and if AMD had good processors (compared to Intel Core 2 Duo, no way), they'd be favorable.
But ATI is slow and AMD Athlon processors are too weak to make people want to get them, plus virtually no marketing.
I see Intel Core 2 Duo commercials all the time. - ipodman715, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They gotta get those Stars processors out asap. (and AM2+)
- rune420, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4One thing they should do is stop switching their sockets so often. I'm currently working on a Socket 939 Athlon 64 3700+ (which has been very trustworthy for over a year now) but next time I upgrade I'm probably going to go Intel so I don't have to buy a new motherboard every next processor upgrade.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No.
- ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, you can find Opteron chips that are 939 at pretty good price points. I just bought an Opteron 170 because I don't want to upgrade my Motherboard just to get a new socket.
- xmuzik, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4AMD is beginning to remind me of the sports superstar that has a few good seasons that causes everyone to scream is a future hall of famer that ends up a washed up has been that only the die hard fans will remember
- EntangledPhysx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Maybe it would help if AMD invested in some advertising? LIke all the advertising Intel has been doing with their Core 2's. Like CPUs with muscular legs and arms dancing around, beating up Intels scrawny-arm-and-legged Core 2. LOLOL
A man can dream... a...man...can...dream... - modifiedbears, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This what happens when you don't put out anything new to compete with your competition, and then you buy a company that also isn't putting out anything.
- MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Despite Intel all my computers have an AMD in them and I will continue to support AMD. They make great processors. Intel owns over 80% of the market and now they are using their big cash and power to crush AMD. Last CPU I bought from Intel was an 2.4 GHz P4 and it was the last one too.
- endersadvocate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what they need to do is judge it at two levels, consumer and enthusiast
for consumers. the budget amd is better
for enthusiasts intel dominates because of its overclockability. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It really too bad, after all the changes we wanted, we are back to one software company and one chip maker.
- Spr0k3t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder if this loss has anything to do with the really sucky ATI drivers?
- daridave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There's many ways to show the world how to be an idiot.
Your post was one of them.
Personally I'm all for competition because the consumer always wins -- so it's pathetic to shout a "FTW" in this situation ... besides, despite this loss, AMD is doing very, very good. I tought being a chip-brand-fanboy was something cool back in 2001, but now it's just silly.
Nobody's doing anything all right or all wrong -- they're just going at it in different ways, and they're both good (I know this sounds very neutral, but seriously... that's how it is.) -
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