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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Ok the article states that it will be focused on mobil computing.. question how many times have you replaced a laptop video card?
yeah i tend to buy a new laptop as well.
And no this wont be for the high end gamer unless he likes gaming on a laptop. - Wingnut233, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13and when exactly did Dell start making processors?
- AceGoober, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Thanks for the info! Looks very promising.
- PinkoCommie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Unlikely since SLI is a NVidia implementation. I doubt they would do Crossfire either since it's based on having a host slave configuration on the PCI-Express bus. But since everything is on die nothing is stopping them from doing multicore CPU and GPU combos.
- achoo5000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Dude I had this on Quake back in the day, it's called no GPU and software rendering.
Zing! - Red_Eye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah because lets see, if you replace a combo CPU, memory controller (as AMD CPU's have had for years) and GPU chip/module then surely you wouldn't want to keep your cruddy motherboard which is mainly in the case of this acting like a backplane and a bunch of sockets for memory and devices, why no you're right this is a horrible idea.
/sarcasm
If the only connections to this cpu is the I/O bus for devices and the memory bus then this would be a nice way to keep upgrading your CPU and GPU, granted it would limit choice some but in the long run..... - Blitzenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2nearly everytime I upgraded my CPU, I had to upgrade my Graphics card anyways as I made a jump in bus technology each time. So I for one would welcome to lower cost of a combined product. Secondly, eliminating the bottleneck in trying to synchornize and pass tons of data of the PCI bus will allow me to purchase a CPU with a 'less bleeding edge' graphics card to play that new release at it's maximum settings. I am for it. They have a good track record already and I think they can pull it off.
- J3Holaday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why not just put the whole darn computer on a chip? Is this the beginning of that road?
- Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This won't affect the high end simply because using shared system memory in pluggable DIMMs is much too slow of high-end graphics. GPUs are already using DDR4, where as system memory is still slowly-clocked DDR2 tech. This will probably help out in power dissipation and efficiency for low-end and mobile, however I don't see the benefit of integrating CPU-GPU over integrating GPU-Northbridge for low-end markets. The bottleneck will be slow system memory in both cases, however this will just make CPU dies more expensive.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4More than good idea, every bus will be a barrier with time, even PCI express and the fastest bus is between the memory and the CPU. Kinda funny that we turn back from separated "PU"s to an combined model. If they do it right then maybe nvidia find itself in *****.
"t's based on having a host slave configuration on the PCI-Express" -yeah and how do you know that they don't develope this technology since a year? - pauljaroszewski, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6AMD = supreme pwnage. this seems to be a natural progression in computing hardware. it looks as if AMD has something up their sleeves...im sure Intel isn't too far behind, however.
- mrbambastik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cool! Just like the Amiga!
- pauljaroszewski, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5shared memory...huh? um this is cpu and gpu integration sir. read the article again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4dells, bahahahahaha
- harshbarj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2pauljaroszewski: If you would see the slide below you can see it is using shared memory.
Just because it's a cpu / gpu dose not mean it no longer need ram. All graphics cards need ram and seeing that both the cpu and gpu use the same memory controller they share the system memory.
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTE2MzY5MTQ0MUJ4UnByVWtEV1pfMV8xM19sLmdpZg==
BTW
For a low end system this is not a bad thing. I run an hp laptop with the radeon xpress 200m and it has 128mb shared memory and I find it fast enough for games like simcity 4 and battlefield 1942. Even halflife 2 is very playable. Sure my X1900gt just kills it but I did not buy it for games. - Blitzenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@khyberkitsune
lol, No. Dells that have been sold to someone are called 'headaches' (it's a joke, don't take it personally). Is said to go and look. I meant what they are selling now, not history. - GrendelT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2...and THIS is why they bought ATI.
- Blitzenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps meant something else likes hardware lock-ups. A Runtime error is an error in logic or arithmetic that must be detected at run time. This means that is generally caused by something like one program making a call to another software component that it assumes exists in the environment and doesn't. The arithmetic notation refers to an issue such as a divide by zero situation, again a coding problem not a hardware incompatibility.
But your point is still valid and I agree that is not a particualry trustable marriage of hardware. - DiggerT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you can already run PhysX in software mode so no need to add it :)
- Apoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1After that, just start putting chips in people's brains!
- jejones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Neat. How about Linux drivers?
- TaldrenDR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So, Nvidia is going to be making my Motherboards for my AMD/ATI CPU ... Why do I visualize a lot of run time errors in the making.
Wonder if there will be a fusion version of the AMD 4x4 setup ...
Also, will AMD buy out PhysX and integrate that too? ;) - rbowes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think what he is saying is that with the GPU on the CPU you will no longer have the GPU with its own memory, like a video card. However, I think the hypertransport will have more than enough bandwidth to support both the CPU and GPU accessing the memory. It will however mean you might need more system memory.
- Lounger540, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While they're at it, how about some decent, unbloated Windows driver and configuration tool?
- Applemacmad, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Perhaps this means they will be able to push *much* faster system memory into their PCs?
Oh Apple, please drop Intel - they are rubbish. Switch to AMD! - Blitzenn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hahaha! rotflmao! Dell CPUs? Most Dell machines have AMDs in them today, go look for yourself. Hahaha! rotflmao!
- khyberkitsune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@Blitzenn
*****. I work at a computer repair Depot - most Dells, laptops and desktops, STILL HAVE INTEL.
You fail, miserably. I've seen more HP laptops with AMD in them than I have Dell laptops AND Desktops. - drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Can you say sub 400$ laptops the only thing will it be able to run the system hog Vista
- pgup, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Imagine the heat a chip like that would give off?
I personally believe that AMD will succeed with this but the integrated GPU will be no more powerful than the lousy integrated graphics already found on motherboards today. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Because using shared system memory for high end graphics has clearly been shown as the way to go... Nothing AMD is saying makes it look like they really are addressing that issue either. It's still going to use the same memory controller that the CPU uses to access the same memory as the rest of the system.
That powerpoint presentation they have is just full of marketing babel and plain nonsense... puke. - bobsmith11, on 10/12/2007, -13/+0Main thing I want to know is will you be able to by two chips and use both the graphics cores in a version of SLI.
- chrismm, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3Oh good, so when this graphics card gets outdated I can replace my ENTIRE COMPUTER. Good call for forced upgrades AMD. =
- OpCzar, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3Because of more extensive quality assurance, dells will still work better. The best strategy for a pc gamer is to sell the old computer and get a new one.
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