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- vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+82Blu-ray and Hd-Dvd is a joke. Pure and simple.
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+69the discs are kind of reasonable.. $100 for 300gb isn't that terrible.. but the drive costs $15000.. :O
- eatmyjustice, on 10/12/2007, -4/+68the price will drop... So much for the blu-ray hd-dvd discussion
- Gunegune, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41Might as well buy an 8.32TB tape drive at that price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16840117089
- Cougaboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Tooken? Tooken?? Tooken???
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32@ZenMojo
i'm glad nobody invested in all that ridiculous "Compact Disc" hoopla when 1.44 MB floppies were the rage...
or how about the first hard disk drives, which premiered in the thousands as well? the first ones were insanely expensive compared to 5 1/4" floppies, but guess what? the price came down and the cost per byte ratio made them ideal for consumers and businesses alike.
welcome to the technology industry. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Plural of Took (hobbitses)
- XTrek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28@vbsurfer
blue-ray and hd-dvd are just a better lock box for hollywood. Full length HD movies will fit on existing dvd's. I hope these new holographic drives allow us to completely sidestep hd-dvd and blue-ray - Renton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Apparently, the extra laser diode costs $14960.
- Renton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27More useful for large companies than average consumers.
- UltimaNut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Of course joe consumer wont buy these things. Data centers might where they ned to offload some large database tables and store them in a non volitle media.
Ill bet Wozniack buys one though. He carries around 20k cash. - UltimaNut, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Its not price gouging. No need to get into a hissy fit. Might be a bit thankful to those who do buy at 15k for the drive. Look at the history of tech. The early adopters always pay for the RnD of a new product. Once the mass quantities are bought and economies of scale kick in the price comes down. If it didnt we would still be ar $10 a meg for hard drives.
- sanman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I remember the first DVD burner costed $1500 when it first came out. Okay, that's a factor of 10x lower than this holographic burner.
But the fact is that costs for tech stuff always go down over time. Hey, big companies will spend the big bucks in the meantime to minimize storage costs and floorspace for their heavy information archives.
However, if the hardware is as good as they say it is, they won't be able to keep it away from the consumer for too long. Even if InPhase and OptWare are pricing high, there'll be someone else -- maybe some knockoff imitators in Taiwan, etc -- who'll simply come up with a reasonably-priced consumer version.
But regardless, the quantum secret is out. It's only a matter of time before we start seeing quantum everything -- quantum hard drives, quantum cellphone memory, etc, etc.
Soon you'll be storing your entire life's history on your keychain. - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15It's not price gouging, it is the initial low-volume cost of production plus recouping R&D costs. Every new storage breakthrough costs an arm and a leg when it first comes out, is adopted initially by specialized, deep-pocket markets, and then prices drop precipitously and consistently over time until they are in consumer range.
look sometime at the price/MB ratio for various types of digital storage over the past few decades. I think you would be amazed to know what a MB of hard-drive storage cost when magnetic drives first appeared, what an MB of optical storage cost when those first emerged, what an MB of flash storage cost at first, etc.
Wait 18 to 30 months, and you'll probably buy one of these bundled in your next computer. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -12/+24Wake me up when the price gouging is over!
In the meantime, it can't compete with the cost of just getting an extra hard drive! - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I once overheard a guy talking about how he "droveded" his truck somewhere.
- yuutokun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Im going to pass on blueray and hddvd drives, this is the official next step. I hope this is successful because these discs have the potential to be alot cheaper than hard discs.
- UltimaNut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"Don't CDs scratch easily?"
You dont own any CDs to know?
You have to try or abuse a CD to get it unreadable. If you take normal care of it it will last a while. Drop a hard drive 5 times on the floor and see how long the data lasts. Drop a CD 5 times and prolbably nothing would happen. Forget probably. Ive dropped CDs more time than I can remember. I cant say ive ever killed one. - UltimaNut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Oh i dunno. I would think you could fit the whole 17 seasons of the Simpsons on one disk. Think about any long running sit com or how about all the star wars movies in 1080p on one disk? How about recording surveliance video cameras for a mall. 24 or so cameras running 24 hours a day takes up alot of room. Every season and every game of you favorite sports team? I could go on....
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I think the "disc" format is played out. We need to bring back cylinders, or move on to cubes or something. A spinning sphere would be cool, too.
- UltimaNut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"who are the people who buy tech at bleeding edge prices!? i mean most companies (and i'm not talking about US automakers here) i've ever worked at (consultant) are stingy as ***** to pay $15,000 for a drive!"
15k is not that much for a good backup solution. We have about 50k in servers and a $8000 tape carousel. If I get a decent budget Id get one. By that time it will be 10k. No sweat. Monthly backups on removable NON MAGNETIC (to me this is very important) media would be sweet and worth every penny. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Was that a joke?
- AtWorkSurfer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Price gouging is when there's a gasoline shortage and filling stations charge more than the market price for gas. Or, when there's a hurricane or other natural disaster, and hotels along evacuation routes jack up their rates. It's not price gouging if it's something that people don't really need. That's why I want to shoot myself every time there's an article on Digg about the PS3 and everybody's bitching and moaning about the "price gouging" being perpetrated by those who would re-sell their systems on Ebay.
Get some perspective, people. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I do.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8...under a hundred dollars?
- staplez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I remember when CD-Burners were like $800 and a CD-R was more expensive than a CD. It's just a matter of time before it drops, and early adopters will pay the price. It's cool. I'm pretty excited about this.
Kind of like the PS3, but I'm totally not excited about the PS3.
That being said, this kind of puts Blu-Ray's Massive storage size into perspective. - marc26uk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Burn process failed at 46:32"
*****. - BenHanby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6A quick price check at Newegg yields these approximate $/GB figures:
$20.00 - USB Flash
$0.50 - Tape backup
$0.32 - CD media
$0.30 - IDE hard drives
$0.05 - DVD media
The $100 for a 300 GB disk would be $0.33, so it's not bad (not counting the drive cost), but DVD backup beats the pants off anything for cheap backup right now. - OnoTadaki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The $100 per disc is not price gouging. At this point they're probably being made by hand in some R&D office. it's not like you're going to walk into a Walmart and pick up a drive for $15,000. I remember when the first CD players came out there were prices like this for them.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If you don't buy the absolute bottom of the barrel CD-Rs, they can take WAAY more abuse than you'd expect.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5the amount of storage you can get from a hypercube is tremendous. you have a whole extra dimension to cram bits into.
- piesforyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4According to my first aid instructor today, it's ok to break someones spine whilst trying to do CPR on them because they can't be "doubled deaded".
- jsg7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7That's Tolkien...
- mjoj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Looks handy, but way too expensive.
And hell, that's over three times as big as my hard drive.
Imagine having an MP3 CD made out of that. - Daunting, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm worried about the widespread adoption of this technology though. I know that geeks and computer enthusiasts will salivate over this. However, much of the technology that comes from storage such as CDs, and DVDs, come from their usability for high volume markets like movies and music (Not so much music after the CD was made). Movies will be pointless for this much space, which cuts A LOT!!! of the market down for this. Mostly companies and individuals will be jumping on this which already has a market of DVDs. If movies absolutely dissappeared, DVDs wouldn't be the same price as they are now.
This maybe just skepticism talking since Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is getting so much buzz, but really, I don't know of any media that would utilize that much space. Let's hope the adaptation from businesses and individuals can help bring this technology to the average joe prices.
I'm just a pessimist overall though so don't mind me. - Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I don't care how much data the disks can hold. I'm not buying a $15,000 drive.
- loeakaodas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A dozen of these disk will enough for me to back up all of my media.
- BenHanby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, I mistakenly included the price of the tape drive in the tape estimate, which wasn't fair. Counting only the media costs, tape backup is closer to $0.16. Better, but DVD still wins handily.
- Ogopogo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"When are CD manufacturers going to start making CDs that are in a thin plastic case maybe one with a little sliding door so no crap can get inside,.."
You're under 25? I guess you don't remember the 1X and 2X CD-ROM drives from a decade ago. See: http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=cd+caddy
Scratches aren't usually much of problem on optical media due to robust cross-interleaved Reed-Solomon ECC codes. - epiccollision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ummm yeah it does
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 Of course I have to mention Constellation 3D or C3D who supposedly had 1TB fluorescent multi-layer discs...five years ago.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes! now I can finally back up all of my pr0n and movies. High Five!
- Filter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No doubt that in time the price will come down and it will be as cheap as dvd-r and cd-r media/writers.
I can't wait until that happens though. - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is no surprise, major companies and data backup specialists are already using it.
Actually have been for at least 6 months, maybe longer. - spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Computer, activate emergency medical holographic program...
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3this technology is not immediate threat to either blu-ray or hd-dvd. it probably won't even get into peoples homes until the 2nd or 3 generation (2008-2010).
- avolant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2why are we still using disk technology!?!? am i the only one that thinks disc technology is totally consumer un-friendly??
- CompIsMyRx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When the price goes down, I want one.
- mrynit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2and i still only have a 20gig hardrive
- UrbenLegend, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2CD's can be scratched really badly to be unreadable because it has a relatively low data density. With 300 GB on a single disk, density is extremely high and a single scratch can render megabytes of data loss. Seriously, even hd-dvd and blu-ray are having problems with scratches. Such high-density disks will not make good backup mediums unless you have disc caddies but those make for storage problems (Try fitting 50 caddies into a cd album).
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