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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23I bought my 30" for $3,000 - but that was the same week it was introduced (I bought it with my 17" Powerbook). As I recall, the 30" Dell just NOW came out. Meanwhile, I've enjoyed my ACD for a year now. It doesn't matter who is better if there isn't any competition when you're in the market for an item.
- djork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18How the hell does the Dell monitor anti-alias text as opposed to anti-aliasing everything on the screen? They gave the Dell points for that feature, however I wouldn't trust a single damned pixel to the monitor... I want my OS to do the anti-aliasing.
- cr3ative, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@snipe: 5 days left on the auction. If that doesn't go up, I'll eat my hat.
- harlowsmonkeys, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10There's a coupon on techbargains.com right now for the Dell for $1500. I'd rather by from Dell than some questionable eBay seller anyway, even if it cost more from Dell. That $1500 is from Dell Canada. It's not clear if the price listed at techbargains is US or Canadian. If it is Canadian, then it is under $1300 US at current exchange rates.
- scaaven2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I recently bought and returned the 24" dell 2405 because of a problem that reviews failed to mention during their hyped up commentary on size and lack of ghosting. There is about a 50ms screen lag that's not due to ghosting, but rather some buffering going on inside the monitor. It was frustrating playing games or even doing regular tasks when the mouse felt like it was moving through molasses. Many people will tell you they detect no screen lag on large dell lcds, but it IS there and they just aren't acute enough to notice it. Quick search on internet will get you videos demonstrating the screen lag.
- MacNugget, on 11/04/2007, -0/+8I wouldn't trade my 30" display for anything. Once you get used to having all that resolution you're ruined for life.
http://slacker.com/~nugget/cinema/ 2560x1600 is wonderful, see for yourself. - damonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I use the 20.1" Dell with my Mac and it looks AMAZING! I got it for less than $400 delivered. ALOT less than the Apple display with the same resolution and it has video-in so you can use it as a TV - cant do that with the Apple displays.
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -22/+30Haha... you can get the Dell for $1600 on eBay. The cheapest you'll find the Apple for is about $2100.
So if the slight, mostly subjective differences that gave Apple the "win" is worth $500, go for it.
I'm happy with my dual 2405's. :) - gigabitten, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13RTFA, the contest was deciding which moniter was ultimetely better, despite the price
- seattle98104, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14um, the first round didn't make sense to me. the dell had 6 "none"s to apple's 3 "none"s in their chart and yet they declare dell won the first round for more features??
also the the apple is more adjustable in their chart with swivel and height adjust. I'm so confused.
c|net makes my head hurt. - Godric, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Anandtech's comparison review of the 2005fpw and the 20 Inch Cinema is also worth a read. Dell monitors are an excellent value.
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400 - cbreaker, on 11/04/2007, -3/+9C|Net is strange. They praise the Dell for having more features and a well designed bezel. They mention out all the features it has compared to the Apple, and then they say the image clarity is much better on the Dell for reading any text. It's cheaper, too.
Then, they (for some reason) added three pages of completely objective opinions about color vibrancy and declared Apple the winner.
Bogus, if you ask me. - definiteform, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Neither have HDCP; I know it's copy protection but I want my 1080p. I don't believe I'll ever purchase either of these given the price; however, I would take the Apple over Dell anyday of the year because the color on the monitor imo is much better than the monitor put out by Dell.
- ender52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Having a large monitor with a high resolution is very practical for graphics professionals. Just because you don't need that much space doesn't mean nobody does.
- definiteform, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I meant the output not the plastic. It's just a preference, compare the two in person and choose which you like. However don't expect HDCP on either.
- nork, on 11/04/2007, -5/+10i'm holding out until they release a 50" display. these jerks shelling out 2 grand for a measly 30" screen are wasting their money. when I write email I need each letter to be 3 inches high or why even bother.
- Eidola, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I was wondering the same thing myself... makes me wonder if they just forgot to turn on Clear Type on one of the test computers!
- LoungeActx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8the article fails to mention the Apple is encased in aluminum, and the Dell plastic. I know performance-wise it doesn't make a difference, however, in aesthetic value it's a nice feature.
- loganz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i own a 21 inch apple cinema display.. i wanted the 24 but didnt want to spend almost a thousand dollars extra for 3 inches. anyways, the color and contrast is superb compared to all the other monitors i was looking at. i also looked at equivalent dell monitors and the colors werent as nice as the apple (not sure if computer setup had anything to do with that, they were connected to different demo computers)... and its fun when my friends come over and get confused over why i have a apple monitor connected to my pc.. most people dont know you can do that. hah
- gulliver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4actually, according to the article, the only available adjustment is brightness
- phidong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I kind of agree, the Apple won its three categories by a smidge whereas the Dell had much larger margins of victory in its two categories. Based on their methodology, the Apple won but if you were to "recount" using a point system the Dell would probably win. Basically, you can't lose with either monitor.
- SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4video here: http://personal.testdata.com/CrtLcdComparo.wmv
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9People who require the quality, and can see the difference, don't particularly care what the price difference is.
- ermau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Cybert
Except that hz are irrelevant when talking about LCDs since only what needs to be changed changes rather then the whole screen redrawing at _Hz. - SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"The price is high, but if you want to use it on a mac, get it. For windows, stick with dell."
What does the OS have to do with which display you choose? - zen.state, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i'm a 100% mac user but I actually prefer dell displays for all the extra connectivity and features. I own a dell 20" widescreen. great displays.
- gigabitten, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@blastcaps- uh, yeah, right after it says that the article isnt meant to review price and that it was mainley if you had some money lying around and just wanted to know the best choice
- lmlloyd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Come on Macboys, get a new line! All this "the Apple display is made for artists" crap is just a lame rehashing of what you say about everything Apple. In fact, the Apple display is made for general computer uses by normal endusers, just like the Dell. There are displays designed specifically for artists, and none of them are made by Apple, and they start at about $1,000 more than the Apple displays, and go up to as much as tens of thousands of dollars! Don't fool yourself into thinking that you got some super color correct professional monitor for a couple grand. Any of you who actually are professional artists should be ashamed of yourself, because you know good and well that there are real 10-bit per channel, LED backlight, professional monitors out there.
I get really tired of how dependent all the pro-Apple arguments are on the assumption that everyone in the world is ignorant. If you are doing color critical work, neither of these monitors will cut it, because they are both 8-bit per pixel, phosphorescent backlight monitors. If the either the Apple or Dell are fine for your work, then you obviously aren't doing work where color really matters, so you are just trying to sound big when you start throwing around talk about calibration profiles. Also, as a side note, real professional monitors have far more controls than consumer monitors. This talk about how the Apple monitors don't have any adjustments because an artist doesn't need those adjustments is pure crap. - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree, this doesn't make sense. Can anyone with more knowledge of these things explain this to us, or perhaps tell us for sure that the reviewer is an idiot.
Not only did the reviewer claim the Dell has built-in antialising for text (how the hell does the monitor know if something should be anti-alised or not), but he actually said this: "Display with its antialiasing ability--that is, smoothing out corners and jagged edges to provide more readable text and shaper images." So apparently the Dell gives sharper image by smoothing. WTF?
That said, it sounds like Dell makes very good displays for the price. I just wish this review was better. - praseodym, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It doesn't have exactly good arguments... see this:
The winner? For its smoother text production, we're giving this round to the Dell. The Apple's slightly richer color doesn't make up for its considerably more jagged-edged text.
For me this'd be a reason _not_ to buy the Dell! If you want anti-aliasing (which they are talking about) get it done by your OS (Apple's Mac OS X does it perfectly). Don't trust a monitor anti-aliasing the digital input it is getting (which might be the reason why the Dell shows less details.. who knows?). - g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Firstly, I DO want HDCP....eventually. Secondly, yes I download anything I want.
- edysteve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I got the 30 inch apple display because I do video/audio editing. I think the Dell is good but I like the way the cinema looks. I have had no problem with both 30's.
- JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Aren't 8-10% of men and 0.1-0.5% women colourblind anyway?
Apples for the ladies, Dells for the boys. - cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ Seumas: Obviously you only had the Apple as a choice, and your monitor is very nice. Yes, you've enjoyed it for awhile now. But NOW THERE IS ANOTHER ONE and that's why we're talking about it.
Geez man use some brains. - JamesK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think the contest would have been differnet if it was tested in OS X. Using the "Flat Panel" setting for antialiasing yields amazing antialiasing quaility on the ACD. Nothing jagged and wicked sharp.
- nater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@cbreaker: can't you be nice about it? I mean, what do you get out of being mean to Seamus? You could say the same thing, while being kind, and promote a positive community of healthy debate, rather than a hostile environment where we insult eachother after making our remarks.
Although, I agree with your comment that it is a good and important article at the present time, as I'm in the market for a large LCD monitor. - boozedrinker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apple wins yet another round with 3rd party PC manufacturers.
- cathode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great article. I'll probably get a Dell, but nice to see that it only barely lost.
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Re: adjustment--
The Dell swivels a little, but the Apple is designed with low friction pads on the bottom of that monopod, so if you count that for swiveling as Apple intended, the Apple swivels 360 degrees. (Does that count as cheating?) I have an iMac, and the low-friction pads work just fine for swiveling the monitor. Now, any monitor may be pivoted around on its base, but the feel isn't the same as with Apple's low friction pads; the apple low friction base is far superior. Iaving pivoted and moved my iMac around a lot, I do believe it is a viable way of easily repositioning your monitor. - Trigonometron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Nah the 2005 is fine. I have read a lot on it, but have not experienced the problems, and have several friends with the same monitor not have problems either. Plus I got mine for $350, so I'm happy--
Not saying it stacks up to the 2405 or these 30 inchers-- just that it isn't a total bomb.
PS 2007 and 2407 coming out this month- watch for more lcd deals from dell.
Also, multiple inputs on the dell really seal the deal for me. I've got it hooked up to a g4 mac, pentium M laptop, and an xbox at the same time, and can toggle through each using the input button on the front. - judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I love pivoting, too bad the Apple displays don't have that. Some people find a portrait-mode screen weird, but hey, most web pages (Digg!), text documents and most of my photos are tall rather than wide. I have no use for the extra white/black space at the sides.
For me, that makes Dell a much more interesting one, though the build quality of the aluminum chassis, the neutral rim color and clean cabling of the Apple monitor make the Dell look like a cheap plastic thing.
Still, it seems that cleartype and the similar Mac OS X - thing don't work that well when the sub-pixels are at a 90 angle :(
J - bradzilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The Dell deal has expired. Nice to finally see a review of the two monitors! I plucked down a lot of cash on the Dell 21" wide screen and have been happy with the purchase. In retrospect I should have gone with two standard 21" flat panels (I don't game much), but have adapted nicely to the wide screen format.
- cakefart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The CNET article missed a lot of important points- read the extended discussion on macintouch instead: www.macintouch.com
- aptiva, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Also an important point in this comparison. The studio display looks nice on my desk...
While the dell.... well it's a dell - boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Every LCD monitor has circuitry and controller chips. So yes the same LCD Panel, but you will get variances in performance.
- kohan69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sir, your sources please.
- ender52, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4So, the person who can see something that you can't is the one that's blind? Interesting...
- snuf42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well - who said that USB or Firewire ports should be on a monitor?
If you have a tower that sits on the ground, having USB, Firewire and a media card reader in the monitor is very convenient. And guess what? If you don't like it you don't have to use it. - patrickweber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I walked away with the impression that the dell monitor is blurrier than the apple monitor. I'll take the crisper apple monitor and let my OS do the anti-aliasing
- andyduncan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, the article says both monitors were tested on identical windows PCs, so the difference between Apple and Microsoft's font rendering is moot (for the record: OSX leans towards typographical accuracy while windows leans towards crisp edges, most people tend to like crisp edges better, but actually read slightly faster with improved typographical accuracy. Either way, both systems are quite good, and the difference is pretty negligible on both fronts).
Still doesn't explain what the hell the Cnet reviewers were talking about though. -
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